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Brave Browser Reports Spike in EU Installs After iOS 17.4 DMA Changes
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Always awesome to see US user trying to speak about EU-related stuff. Do you have something more to make me laugh?
Good. Choice is good. Competition is good. **** Apple for making this EU only.
I mean if you read through the list you can see it isn’t alphabetical lol.
Brave is the best out-of-the-box privacy browser, definately. It's quite popular!
This is rediculous. Legislators forcing companies to advertise for their competitors. There was nothing stopping a consumer from using Brave Browser (I use it).
What is next, make consumers pick which components come in their automobiles or which light bulbs come pre-installed in new homes? Oh, I know! Companies must now offer endless customization of components and software on all new products! Every nail and bolt!
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Stop making sense! It's not allowed with some people here.
Even with random ordering of the top 10, the Brave browser is still displayed every time and at the top in 10% of the cases. So it is not surprising that it gets more traction.
In statistics there is something called the 'lie factor' - the physical size of a pattern depicted in a chart versus the actual size of the pattern in the data. Ideally, the ratio should be 1. Suffice it to say the lie factor is rather larger than 1 for that plot, for they made an all-too-common mistake in scaling the vertical axis to amplify the apparent pattern.
In any case, I have had Brave on my iPhone for ages. Installing it was no more complicated than downloading the app, so it is not like to installing it wasn't as simple as falling off a log to begin with. The evidence that Brave is being downloaded more because of 'competition' is no stronger than the evidence than it was due to free advertising provided by the Apple setup. And, if the developers of Brave the like competition, I have to say I prefer the DuckDuckGo.
It shows 12 browsers in total. 12 items. So it's actually less than 10%. More like 8% of cases where Brave is on top.
And Brave actually gained over 30% increase in installations. So there's easily more to that than just users always clicking to the first item or Brave by some mistake. Users voluntarily choose Brave. I know it may be hard to swallow for some.
And when chrome is utterly dominant and completely controls access to the internet the EU will have to mandate another browser choice screen with no option to pick chrome to make sure consumers pick the right choice this time!
Its the classic ‘we don’t like the choice consumers have made’ conundrum that regulators always fall afoul of.
Yes an No. GDP makes sense to start from some baseline year and then sho changes in real dollars to give an idea of economic growth rates and trends.
That graph, however is misleading, IMHO, because it magnifies the apparent growth, making it look like the user base tripped based on relative sizes of the baseline to the peak. In reality, while they have see a significant % increase in users, the overall increase is tiny compared to the overall installed base of browsers in th EU. I suspect such a graph would have Brave be lumped in with "Others." That's not a knock on Brave but a knock on how the manipulates the chart to look more impressive.
Brave are incentivised to make this growth look bigger than it is too; it’s good PR and potentially worth some money somewhere.
11k on how many available devices? You can get statistics to say whatever you want, given the limited context you provide.
We have absolutely no evidence what caused the uptick in downloads of the Brave web browser. Indeed, we don't have any statistical evidence that this represents an actual change in downloads. It is one thing to support forcing Apple to change is businesses practices. It is another to claim that there is evidence the changes are improving competition. It's early days yet to be claiming anything.
This. If we see in 6 months to a year that mobile chrome browser share in the EU has increased rather than decreased, then the browser ballot has failed (and they’ll have to do another one, presumably with chrome removed).
The ~8% and the 30%+ are completely unrelated and cannot be compared. Just saying.
My contributions to this thread are not meant to dismiss the Brave browser or people using it. Obviously there were quite some iOS users downloading it before it was "advertised" with the release of 17.4.
However, I stand by my opinion that more people installing Brave now is caused mainly by the "publicity" it gets from the selection screen.
Yeah the new people installing brave will have done so precisely because they were made aware of it on the browser choice screen. Those users would have continued to happily use the browser they already had if they weren’t prompted to pick one. Just another example of how these changes aren’t designed to benefit consumers, but to benefit businesses.
Well, yes it may be completely irrelevant to the recent browser choice screen - yet very improbable. It correlates.
Also the same happened when EU introduced browser choice screen to Windows back in 2010.
Microsoft Gives Rival Browsers a Lift (Published 2010)
As Microsoft complies with new European rules to offer a choice of browsers to Windows users, smaller browsers are getting a boost.
So it's quite expected to see the similar results as in 2010.
Exactly! And this proves the point of the DMA and browser choice screen itself.
Amazing how many people just trust Apple. You do realize there are multiple open zero days for webkit Apple has ignored for months.
Well yes many of us are already aware that the DMA is designed to benefit other businesses above and beyond making things better for consumers. However, some people think it’s to make things better for consumers.
A browser choice screen simply introduces an irritant for consumers. They don’t gain anything by picking another browser as it’s the same old internet underneath that browser. However, Brave might gain some new users and more money.
It’s the same with multiple app stores. Users want to be able to get everything they need from one shop. Users will be irritated by having to potentially shop in multiple stores for the apps they want vs one store. However, those additional stores might make some money.
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This should not be about limiting or taking browser options away. The "right choice" should be up to the consumer. Only if Google engages in anticompetitive behavior (particularly regarding Chrome) should there be potential restrictions put on its access where the anticompetitive behavior is occurring.
Assuming there is no "favoritism" going on (e.g., Google paying Apple to have Chrome appear first) or anything else that may violate an antitrust law, Chrome should be allowed on a list of default options.
The users already made the ‘right choice’ when they picked their phone. However, the EU didn’t think that was the ‘right choice’, hence the DMA. There’s no reason why chrome wouldn’t face the same fate when it becomes totally dominant.
That's not really true. More choice is always better.
Here you're saying "They don’t gain anything by picking another browser as it’s the same old internet underneath that browser.". And that's literally false. With Brave for instance, consumers get functional ad blocking among other features.
And yes, it's always good for the customers in the end - more competitive market brings more features and it brings prices down as well.
Brave for the MacOS can completely block a lot of pop up/down ads that are present with Safari on some sites that want to force ads on you to click. Because of previously all browsers were using webkit instead of their own interface with iOS you would never experience that. So if it’s available it would be a good alternate to test out on iOS 17.4. It’s also runs nearly as fast speedometer2.1 as Safari.
Unfortunately for us in the states we are still stuck with browsers using WebKit so Brave on iOS and IPadOS are not great with ads that Safari can’t stop.