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Apple is hopeless.

W6800X Duo was sold out all along, they never had the things and the online store was completely wrong.

The drones you got on the phone were completely useless.

They updated my order with “Sold out”

Although Apple terms say the order you place with them is quite meaningless, and they can cancel it for any reason, the consumer authorities here don’t agree.
 
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I don't believe that Apple will come out with an M3 Studio. Instead, I think they might release an M4 Studio in 2025 but nothing will be released without a corresponding update in the Mac Pro.
 
Regulus67 said:
Gainsaver doesn't sound all that bad then, even with less than ideal reviews.
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“Dear GainSaver customer,

Sorry no international shipping.

Thanks for the Business,
GainSaver”

So they are as bad as the reviews.
 
avro707 said:
Apple is hopeless.

W6800X Duo was sold out all along, they never had the things and the online store was completely wrong.

The drones you got on the phone were completely useless.

They updated my order with “Sold out”

Although Apple terms say the order you place with them is quite meaningless, and they can cancel it for any reason, the consumer authorities here don’t agree.
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Bait & Switch - advertising a product for sale when you can't fill orders due to not having the stock, or a credible supply of the stock at the time.

Take em to the cleaners at fairtrading for whichever state you're in.
 
I'm being told that a lot of people are after those cards - I went higher up the chain. Anyone who had orders in for them will likely find the orders cancelled.

Most likely the only cards remaining are whatever is held back for servicing (replacements).

I blasted them for advertising stuff that is not available and warned them I'll go to Fair Trading in my state (who I've already been talking to). I also blasted them for the practice of not having support for newer GPUs in macOS - I particularly mentioned Radeon Pro W7900 which would be my preferred option.

I know that's a point of contention but we need to be able to use newer GPUs than the ones that are no longer available. My computer isn't that old...

It's not the way to treat customers with orders the prices of cars.
 
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avro707 said:
I blasted them for advertising stuff that is not available and warned them I'll go to Fair Trading in my state (who I've already been talking to). I also blasted them for the practice of not having support for newer GPUs in macOS - I particularly mentioned Radeon Pro W7900 which would be my preferred option.
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It was sold as "user upgradable" in 2023, and the statutory warranties for something that expensive are in the 5 year+ range, so it's perfectly reasonable that at the very minimum, spare parts and "upgrades" that were a part of the original sales pitch are available for as long as the system receives operating system support. There's also good cause to complain that Apple's strategy is to deliberately fail to honour the marketing message in order to compel an upgrade to a newer machine.

Maurice Blackburn (IIRC) are already running a class action against Apple on behalf of developers and customers over App Store policies and costs, might be worth giving them a call and suggesting there's a few folks who'd be keen to partcipate in another action.
 
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mattspace said:
Maurice Blackburn (IIRC) are already running a class action against Apple on behalf of developers and customers over App Store policies and costs, might be worth giving them a call and suggesting there's a few folks who'd be keen to partcipate in another action.
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Just went to Fair Trading, they were very helpful so this is now with them. Good suggestion on the law firm as well.

I only expect one thing, if you advertise something as 2-3 weeks and available, then you should provide it otherwise it wastes the time of customers. And even worse when your people on the phone insist that "yes, it will be available".
 
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avro707 said:
Just went to Fair Trading, they were very helpful so this is now with them. Good suggestion on the law firm as well.

I only expect one thing, if you advertise something as 2-3 weeks and available, then you should provide it otherwise it wastes the time of customers. And even worse when your people on the phone insist that "yes, it will be available".
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Yeah, that's pretty much the letter of the law for most states - you can't advertise something for sale, unless you have the capacity to supply it, and even the capacity to meet estimated demand. I think Harvey Norman or someone similar was pinged over that, advertising specials on whitegoods IIRC, when they knew they lacked sufficient stock to meet likely demand, and tying to use the "shortage" to upsell.
 
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avro707 said:
I know that's a point of contention but we need to be able to use newer GPUs than the ones that are no longer available. My computer isn't that old...
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This is important.
Probably one of the main reasons why many purchased the Mac Pro in the first place.
Judging from the reaction when the Mac Pro with M2-chips was presented.
Apple can not claim that they did not know this fact. The 4.1-5.1 was used by many, because the 6.1 did not offer upgrades to newer generation cards at all. At least 7.1 offered a few generations, but cut short way to early.

It has been only 12 months since Apple stopped offering the 7.1.
The Radeon Pro W6000X generation was introduced late 2021.
 
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This is a major development and shocking that those orders are cancelled.

I still don't understand why Apple can't make more cards from AMD? This just doesn't make sense. Surely they didn't end their business contracts on the day they stopped selling new 7,1s. They know they need X number of cards for support but also they should have them for upgrades for people who need them in their 1+ year old system. Apple is leaving money on the table here and it doesn't make sense.
 
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I’m done with Apple in the Desktop/laptop space. Now that Intel is also making CPUs at TSMC and later their own fabs their upcoming CPUs, Arrow and Lunar lake look like major improvements over 12th/13th gen.
My next desktop will still be an Intel. Unlike PowerPC, x86 is will around for a long time.
The fact that Apple is not supporting a less than 5 years old Mac Pro is silly. What should Apple get my business in the future?


I will no longer be buying new MacBooks or desktop Macs.


If you care about reliability and upgradable products stay away from Apple.
 
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Carrotstick said:
If you care about reliability and upgradable products stay away from Apple.
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Reliability? The Mac has never been more reliable, hardware wise. In the PowerPC and early Intel days things were way worse. But the distortion field of Steve Jobs made it all worthwhile.

Upgradability is the same as it always has been for the last 8-10 years or so. Some things have improved but the rest has stayed the same, which has also brought about more overall reliability (less moving parts).

The whole point of the Mac is macOS, otherwise there is no point, in my opinion. Windows can't do what I do on the Mac or run the apps I need and use, so it isn't even on the table as an option for me.

I've been through 68K, PowerPC, Intel and now AS. Plus the software side of Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X and 32-bit to 64-bit etc.

I guess I don't see anything that calls for a platform switching situation compared to the past. I've been through worse pains staying with Apple in the past than anything today (Mac Pro issues above and all).
 
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MacHeritage said:
The whole point of the Mac is macOS, otherwise there is no point, in my opinion. Windows can't do what I do on the Mac or run the apps I need and use, so it isn't even on the table as an option for me.
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I guess I don't see anything that calls for a platform switching situation compared to the past. I've been through worse pains staying with Apple in the past than anything today (Mac Pro issues above and all).
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I agree that macOS is the reason for owning a mac. That's why I switched to mac from PCs. Personally, I very much prefer macOS now. And in extension, the whole Apple eco-system 🥰

Even if I really wish Apple would offer at least drivers for newer generation graphic cards. It is not a dealbreaker to me.

I love my iMac Pro, and the Mac Pro 7.1.
I have just upgrade one 7.1. From 16 to 24 core CPU. From 2TB to 8TB SSD. Replaced the original 96GB with 192GB RAM (swapped with the other machine). And I even replaced the 580X card with a W6800X Duo.
Having upgraded everything, I am amazed how extremely well Apple built this machine. A joy to work on, compared to a PC. (macOS installation aside). With no issue like cable management, or cooling solution.

Installing Windows with Boot Camp is also easy, and opens up other graphic card options (if needed).
 
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