Absolutely their governments will do anything to avoid looking incompetent. New Zealand is nothing like Taiwan, so no.
I told you, I am Asian. I completely understand their culture and it’s nothing like American culture.
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I told you, I am Asian. I completely understand their culture and it’s nothing like American culture.
You can add:
NYT January 8th: "There is no evidence that the virus is readily spread by humans"
WHO January 14: On Twitter "Preliminary investigations have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China
January 21: We get the very first reported coronavirus patient reported in the US: CDC
January 22: Dr. Fauci told Newsmax's Greg Kelly, "This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now."
January 26: Dr. Fauci again, this time in an interview with John Catsimatidis. "It's a very, very low risk to the United States"
January 28: BuzzFeed News, "Don't worry about the Coronavirus. Worry about the Flu."
January 31: Vox News on Twitter "Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No."
January 31: The Washington Post, "How our brains make Coronavirus seem scarier than it is"
Janurary 31: Trump, in direct defiance to the liberal media, liberal politicians, and WHO, begins blocking travel to and from China.
He gets called xenophobic and paranoid by several people in the democratic party. This can be looked up on Google very easily.
January 31: CNN "As the Coronavirus spreads, fear is fueling racism and xenophobia"
February 2nd: NYC Health Commissioner "...the risk to New Yorkers for Coronavirus is low and our city preparedness is high. There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus..."
February 3: The Washington Post, "Why we should be wary of an aggressive government response to Coronavirus"
February 5: The New York Times, "Who says it's not safe to travel to China? The Coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn't work anyway."
On February 24, Pelosi told people that Chinatown was safe and that she hoped people would come to hang out. She and everyone else was there without masks and told people to come join her where she was hugging people for a photo op.
February 26: New York Times "Let's call it Trumpvirus. If you're feeling awful, you know who to blame."
March 2: Bill de Blasio on Twitter, "Since I'm encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus, I thought I would offer some suggestions. Here's the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see "The Traitor" u/FilmLinc. If "The Wire" was a true story + set in Italy, it would be this film.
March 2: NY Governor Andrew Cuomo, "...when you're saying what happened in other countries vs. what happened here, we don't even think it's going to be as bad as it was in other countries."
March 4: CNN Anderson Cooper tells people to be more concerned about the flu than the coronavirus.
March 9: Forbes states, "Covid-19 travel update: Fauci says cruising is ok if you are healthy."
President Trump sent a Naval Hospital Ship to New York and California. He had an emergency medical facility built in New York with over 2,000 beds. He shipped over a thousand ventilators to New York. Governor Cuomo announced on the air publicly that he would flat out refuse any and all help from Trump and he was true to his word- he didn't use ANY of that.
Cuomo instead signed executive orders along with the governors in Michigan, New Jersey, and a few other Democrat States that forced nursing homes to keep all COVID patients indoors instead of sending them to hospitals. This caused tens of thousands of deaths!
But yeah, keep blaming Trump for this.
So, you don’t think this would have played out any different if the White House had said back in March or April, “Apple, Google, what can you come up with in terms of a safe, secure, and privacy-protecting way of tracking exposure notifications, and how can we help you movie that along more quickly - meanwhile, we’ll be contacting every state to get them lined up to put this into operation”?
Instead we got months and months of “don’t worry, this will all go away as soon as the weather gets a little warmer, right now there’s only fifteen cases, and soon it’ll be close to zero.”
This thread with the anger and the idiocy tells me America will still have Covid in 2030. I see no hope.
Ummmm, the only reason each state has to implement this on their own is because, unlike functioning democracies around the world, our national leadership did not try to coordinate a national response. It was too important to pretend that the virus would just go away on its own / nothing more than a flu / don't panic and definitely keep the stock market rising, instead of leveling with the American people (those who got their news from right-wing domestic sources and didn't see the reality from around the world).
But honestly, who the **** cares anymore? We are moving forward. Participating in contact tracing and doing the simple things (social distancing, wearing a mask) go a long way towards stopping the spread of COVID. If we stop the virus, we can get back to work. That is how you get the economy back on track, and how you get out of a pandemic without losing 2-4 million lives.
I kinda get where they come from... a lot of people have been burned or got PTSD/distrust/etc from all the leaks, outrage, behaviors, etc that the government and politicians tend to exhibit. Add to that all the data leaks, ID theft, etc that we have become vulnerable to with the mass adoption of smart tech.
Some, and understandably so, just want to cut it all in a nuclear fashion... I would argue that the source of the problem are the ones that built this distrust to begin with.
Government left or right, are a bunch of crooks, there’s something about someone wanting the top powerful (and top stress) chair slot that rubs me the very wrong way, I don’t know why someone would willingly want that. When a candidate promises to “change the world” I would argue for them to go join Medecins Sans Frontiers, peace corps, Red Cross or similar instead.
I think if all the politics where taken out of it and be kept strictly and completely health related or even just tech related, there would be a better chance for more people to opt-in and collaborate with it.
But nope, the tech was developed and sitting there in waiting because each Country/State/etc wants to red tape it to the maximum, politicians want to gain all the cookie points they can, so on and so forth.
Compare this when things like whatsapp launch... the adoption has zero friction and zero redtape.
I like to believe though that the vast majority of people have the notification system active anyways.
What I find with this whole “pandemic” is a bunch of hypocrisy and grandstanding. I am in no way saying people are not dying from the virus, but the reaction to the percentage of people dying is completely overblown. We do this with no other cause of death. If you knew just how subjective “cause of death” was on the death certificate you would be floored.
Let us get back to the hypocrisy though. Tell me, Mr. Leave Society if you don’t want to follow the guidelines: Do you wash your hands prior to touching your mask and then after you touch it - EVERY TIME? If not - which we all know you don’t - you are part of the problem and not the solution. We could go over the other guidelines, but you can read them, and if you are honest you will admit that you do not hold to them as instructed. You modify or relax them as needed. I’m just relaxing more than you.
Quarantine the sick and vulnerable - not the healthy. That way, when you touch your mask and then touch a door knob or a counter or your credit card, they won’t get sick and have a 99.98% chance of surviving.
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But how do they know if you have COVID or someone has COVID? Even you don't know if you have the COVID or NOT. How accurate is the information or should we call missinformation?
No. First, they did that, obviously. Trump had Tim Cook and others in the White House. Second, the POTUS cannot force states to implement this without federal legislation. You need to spend less time worrying about Trump and more time reading the Constitution and gaining a better understanding of civics. Health matters are a state's right reserved by the 10th Amendment.
Ohhh, that kind of completely ignores reality, like so many people who fear Covid as if it's a guaranteed death sentence. I almost think you all actually somehow WANT to live your life in constant fear. You WANT Covid to still be around in 2030 so you can continue your endless admonitions to the rest of us about how awful we are to want to go out shopping or go out to dinner every once in a while.
At any rate, long before 2030 (and more like in the next handful of months this will happen) ...
A) We'll all have been vaccinated
B) Herd immunity
So, by the spring, your little fun pastime of feeling scared and scornful of everyone who isn't as scared as you will be over.
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+1000. Exactly. They act as if people never died from anything else until Covid came along.
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Removing all the Republicans to get rid of fascists just leaves things open for a one-party system which isn’t necessarily the best.
Removing the fascist beliefs will take time, but eventually they will get there if their hand is forced
Agreed.
And full disclosure, I absolutely, completely hate Trump and am delighted he lost the election. But all these Covid babies act as if people would never die were it not for Covid.
News flash: hundreds of thousands of people die every year from countless things. Thats the reality of life. At the end of the day, we're all going to die. It's unfortunate that a small fraction are dying because of Covid, but it's also sad that so many others are dying of cancer, car accidents, falls, gunshot wounds, you name it.
Life is tough. We shouldn't stop functioning because of a single virus.
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Not dealing with something because various other different things exist or simply because it is what it is isn't the way things work in reality.
Looking at the data.... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/
This is on track to becoming the leading cause of death for the next few months at the rate it is increasing.
Lockdowns or not, this isn't a small number of "accidental" deaths like gun deaths (39,000/year) /falls/and car accidents (36,000/year). I'd argue that heart disease and cancer are deaths that don't usually cause death in others. This virus can kill others that come in contact with it. That's the logic behind the lockdowns.
Yes, we all die but thousands of Americans a day (1533 yesterday) are dying of this and ... it's going up.
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.
www.nytimes.com
I don't see how some people can look at this and go - this doesn't matter to me. Really says something about people.
Ok, putting aside the question of what 'qualifies' as a Covid death vs. other factors, I ask you this: Going forward, Every time a virus comes along that we don't immediately have a vaccine for, do we destroy the economy and countless peoples careers?Looking at the data.... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/
This is on track to becoming the leading cause of death for the next few months at the rate it is increasing.
Lockdowns or not, this isn't a small number of "accidental" deaths like gun deaths (39,000/year) /falls/and car accidents (36,000/year). I'd argue that heart disease and cancer are deaths that don't usually cause death in others. This virus can kill others that come in contact with it. That's the logic behind the lockdowns.
Yes, we all die but thousands of Americans a day (1533 yesterday) are dying of this and ... it's going up.
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
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I don't see how some people can look at this and go - this doesn't matter to me. Really says something about people.
You may argue that this is a 'one-off' and will never happen again, etc. But I'm not so sure. So, in order to save 300K people, most of whom were already 'high risk', do we destroy the livliehoods and economic function of hundreds of millions of people?
I think it's a fair question to ask - what ultimately does the most harm?
Yep, you can beat me over the head all day long with the death rates currently from Covid and claim moral superiority (and lord knows, you and many others will), but I argue you are looking only at the short term vs. the long term pain. Pain, which ultimately may be a lot worse than having some people die maybe 10-20 months earlier than they might have otherwise from other factors, since they were in questionable health anyways.
Are are creating economic damage that could last a decade or more? That's one of those things like climate change that's harder to see the immediate impact of - so many dismiss it. But it may very well lead to more anguish, calamity and death than a few hundred thousand people dying somewhat prematurely right now.
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Do you really believe these numbers are not being boosted? Just take a step back and think about it. Don't you think if the death toll was climbing at such an insane rate you would know countless people dying. How many people do you know actually have gotten it? I know one and I work all over the state of CA. Basic math for you now, according to the news and reports 34K new cases on Monday in CA. Yes, it was a "record" day so back off 10k. 25K a day for a week. That is 175K people state wide in one week and I have known 1 person that has gotten it. Not died just contracted the virus. He is 65 years old has already had 2 heart attacks and a smoker. A prime candidate to be taken out by this virus, he never stopped working on his ranch.Looking at the data.... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/
This is on track to becoming the leading cause of death for the next few months at the rate it is increasing.
Lockdowns or not, this isn't a small number of "accidental" deaths like gun deaths (39,000/year) /falls/and car accidents (36,000/year). I'd argue that heart disease and cancer are deaths that don't usually cause death in others. This virus can kill others that come in contact with it. That's the logic behind the lockdowns.
Yes, we all die but thousands of Americans a day (1533 yesterday) are dying of this and ... it's going up.
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.www.nytimes.com
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I don't see how some people can look at this and go - this doesn't matter to me. Really says something about people.
I cant stand that business and lives are being destoryed because our governer wants to lock everyone down.
To him, and people like him, It doesn't matter.
All he sees is the 'scary' numbers ... the immediate impact. The short term. They're the people who would destroy the livelihoods of a million people if it 'could save just one life'. Sounds good on paper, and makes you seem like an ****** if you try to argue against it. Why? Because the long term damage to so many people's lives is something you can't see right now, so it's easy to dismiss.
The virus will soon be long gone, but the economic damage done by the attempted 'fix' (and all the anguish and death that accompanies it) may last a generation or more.
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I may not see eye to eye on everything said but I appreciate you both taking the time to talk and explain your views.
I do see the loss of jobs - those that can't pay rent/bills - the harm done to the economy. I'm sure if I lost my job I'd be singing a different tune.
Do I believe the numbers are being boosted? I see arguments for/against boosted deaths. I do think that out of the 330 million people in the USA, a few hundred thousand deaths would be easy to miss.
No, we don’t have to, the economy was only “destroyed” because we have a failed government that intentionally let the virus spread out of control, and instead of helping the working class survive they gave more money to Wall st. There have been countless examples posted here already of nations that successfully contained the virus all while NOT having to destroy their economies. But you keep ignoring this fact and implying there’s only one choice a country can make which is false.
Once again what has happened in the United States was by design, Trump, his sycophantic GOP, and Democratic leaders as always were more concerned about Wall Street so instead of doing what successful nations did they mounted the worst response on Earth. So we got the highest death count, didn’t save the economy for the working class, and we haven’t even seen the worst of it yet.
Your flippant attitude towards the dead and those at risk is pretty horrible, just saying.
Clearly what we did was the most harmful, it’s strange how you seem to be concerned with the economy but don’t seem to actually want to do anything to save it.
I’ve already addressed this, but acting like certain people in society are “expendable” because of age or health status is heinous. This virus kills people of all ages regardless of their health anyways, it’s very random and even young formerly healthy people are coming away with organ damage that may be permanent.
Imagine the economic damage of millions of Americans that can’t work, need constant medical care, and are now disabled due to the chronic effects of this virus. Who will pay for THAT? Who will take care of all these people? All of which COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED!
BTW I have family members in several hospitals around LA and yes the ICU is filling up and busy but its not with COVI patients. its with patients who have diabetes and haven't been getting their insulin during the pedemic, stuff like that. Also the regular flu is non existent all of a sudden. This is something the news and politicians wont tell you. they tell you a little part of it but leave out the rest to stir fear. Thier own lockdown is causing the health issues. Its so nice being at the beach watching people working out without masks, not falling for the nonsence of self destruction. Newson is getting sued and the state cannot provide any evidence how the virus can spread during outside eating. I come from a communist country and im in disbelief.
I disagree that damage from the Virus could be avoided. It's a virus, it's gonna spread. And even the supreme dork in the White House couldn't have 'stopped' it.
I also disagree with you that MILLIONS of Americans will be disabled by Covid. Quite the opposite. I know several people who have gotten it and exactly none of them has had any symptoms any worse than a mild flu, and ALL of them are totally fine now. VERY few people who get Covid need 'constant medical care' as you assert.
But I know, you want to sensationalize this virus. It consumes your life and you think it's heresy for anyone to suggest it's not the end of the world. So we'll just agree to disagree.