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California's Exposure Notification System Rolling Out on iPhone Thursday
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This thread shouldn't be in politics. It should be in classified under humor.
It doesn't need to be an apples-to-apples comparison to still be relevant and informative.
And in this case—when the difference is orders of magnitude in both deaths and cases—it's telling enough.
Taiwan and South Korea (both free democracies, I might add) have both had fewer than 1,000 deaths. They're both very populated, very dense, and even after you adjust for population, it's clear that geography isn't the difference between 7 deaths (Taiwan) and ~290,000 (USA).
Against which race, exactly?
Was it when I said that I didn't believe anything coming out of Asian countries? Oh, that was you.
Well you are certainly in the alarmist camp. It's a bad flu season. Get some sunshine, healthy food, exercise, and everything will be fine.
How can you possibly say everything will be fine when 290,000 Americans are already dead? And we're losing nearly one 9/11's worth of Americans every day?
I think that says plenty about your "camp" thank you very much.
One thing is almost for certain. The number of people in the US that take the vaccine will probably be lower than would be required to stop the spread. I've heard the number 70 percent thrown around as the minimum number needed. Witnessing this thread alone, makes me wonder if anywhere even close to that percentage will take it.
I agree—if they had launched this feature in May, they would deserve more credit. But what they released in late May required public health agencies to develop their own apps to utilize the API, and that was doomed from the beginning.
It was never realistic to expect governments to rapidly develop an app AND convince enough people to proactively download it. Look how hard it still is for governments to enable this feature (ahem, California) without an app, and convince people to enable it. Every hurdle is a nail in the coffin with programs like this, and what Apple released in May required two. It was insurmountable, as we saw.
The difference between May -> September is what really killed any chance this was going to work.
so now we’re saying the CDC is making up numbers? Those excess deaths didn’t happen?
Look at any year you like. 2020 is the gigantic outlier, starting in March. This honestly isn’t hard. You’re refusing to see it because you don’t like the conclusion.
Please stop it with this. It’s completely irrelevant. you can put anything you want on a death certificate. It doesn’t change the absurd number of excess deaths that just so happen to correspond with the time the virus has been in the US.
Nailed it ... With that said, I am more concerned about the epidemic of stupidity than the Pandemic quite honestly. Country went sideways fast with this challenge. Pretty sad, because if we were ever attacked on our soil by an ACTUAL threat I am pretty sure we'd get steam rolled.
Reality doesn't wishfully work that way when it comes to trying to control something like a pandemic.
I can see plenty of reasons NOT to use Exposure Notification.
Let's see, two of the most greedy, worst companies in gathering data about people conjure together to release a free tracking app. What could possibly go wrong?
I, a resident of CA, respectfully decline to participate.
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I agree completely. We couldn't even convince enough people to stay home and watch Netflix for a few weeks, or even wear a mask when grocery shopping.
Now try to imagine the same "my freedoms!" people abiding by rations, blackouts, conscription, etc. in the event we were attacked by a foreign country. Imagine the sacrifices Americans made during WWII compared what's being asked of us today. We should be ashamed; what even happened to America?
And we've already lost more Americans to covid than some wars in our recent history, so the comparison is apt. Thank you for making it.
Those aren't really reasons as much as they are just assumptions. (The two companies can already have all the data of that nature they might want without any of this.)
Well obvi...I mean trying to control a pandemic is like trying to control the weather..But all the beautiful people on think we can control everything, you'd think this would be a glaring example of how that is NOT possible. But nooooo, it's shut down your business, track your movements, wear mask for 100 days (where the f*ck did they come up with '100" days btw). I mean, at the end of the day, people just need to use good judgement, and these self important aholes in Washington and everywhere else need to sit down and back off.
So you made my point, and you're 100% correct, you can NOT control a Pandemic. It's arrogant meddling, and typical wacked out moonbbat thinking.
I won't be using it either, but for entirely different reasons.
First off, those that insist that it is designed to not track or identify individuals are correct. I've read enough of the technical documentation to understand that much. I also trust Apple to keep Google honest on this effort.
What concerns me most about the app and one reason I won't use it is that, it is a foot the door to a slippery slope, one of which if we let it go too far, we can never undo. The current iteration of the app is fine, but what about the next, or the one after that?
But primarily why I won't use it is because it has no valid use to me. I've been in 44 states since the virus became known, and have been in contact with literally thousands of people. I know I've been exposed to COVID, probably many, many times. It would be statistically impossible for me to not have been. I don't need an app to tell me that. I distance, stay away from outwardly sick people and wear a mask indoors. That is enough for me. I'm fine.
I do see a valid use for the app, and that is for the vulnerable out there due to medical conditions. They can use some help.
Well, there's a whole lot that goes in when it comes to controlling the impact of the weather. Lots of predictions, preparations, warnings, evacuations, etc. etc. etc. that are often involved with all kinds of weather related events. If anything that seems to support the point that there's quite a bit that can be done when dealing with something even if it can't necessarily be simply be stopped or fully controlled.
Excess deaths says who? You? The Govt? Seriously? Mother Nature chose those people, they were likely vulnerable, blame her..This is what I mean, this is it right here. People are so self important, so entitled..People die when there is a Pandemic, it's not one persons fault, it is what it is. Let this be a reminder you're a guest here, you don't have any say in anything.
Personally though, I think we're really missing an opportunity here to cull herd.
lol How do you explain all of the countries that controlled the pandemic? There are dozens of examples; hundreds if you count all of the countries doing a better job than us (admittedly, that's all of them).
I feel like you're standing in front of an airport telling me it's impossible for airplanes to fly. There's evidence to disprove your point all around you. You just need to look (beyond the borders of the USA).
Someone is smirking in the shadows that knows something we common folk will never know but only speculate about--the origin and the reason.
Yes and people can choose to either stay or leave in an extreme weather related event. If they don't, they can't complain when they have lava flowing through their family room. Again, people need to use good judgement and stop acting like lunatics over this, it's really gone too far. The entire country is so damn divided over how to handle this. How about using some GD common sense and stop listening to idiot Govt officials. They aren't here to save you, you need to believe that before you believe anything else. Listen to your own common sense, and if it's lacking then you get swept up by a Tornado. Simple.
America was founded on individual rights, not this Group think crap that's becoming pervasive because of an invisible bug.
Go read the ****ing spec and then come back and tell us how this can be misused in some nefarious way. It can’t track you or tell anyone where you’ve been or who you’ve seen.
Plenty of times there's a whole lot more that's involved in people simply choosing to stay or go. There are a lot of measures that are in place in many places to deal with rain overflow, or mudslides, or storm drains, or all kinds of things of that nature that are well beyond individual decisions and doings. There are also all kinds of mandated evacuations and other things of that nature that come into play at times, as well as support from all kinds of other entities. Or would be nice to think it's all just up to personal choice and it all just works on that, but that simply isn't the reality.