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Before you roll your eyes, know that this is coming from the biggest Apple fan boi. I own almost every single apple product line (except the mac pro) and yes that does include the ultra expensive Apple Vision Pro.

Apple (the Jobs era) used to have a very simple philosophy. They focus on one thing that's it. They build the best products. And part of that is saying 1000 no. They release a product only when it is ready. They add a feature only when a customer will be delighted. Their record is not always 100% perfect, sure there are misses. But you can exactly see how they miscalculated, and know that their original intention is to bring joy to customers.

Fast forward today, Camera Control is none of that. Camera Control does not bring anyone joy. It's marketing gimmick that one would expect from any other tech companies but not Apple. At best, users are different and at worst it's hair pulling level of frustration to use. Let me explain.

First, as gruber correctly pointed out. It's incredibly frustrating that pressing it does not always open the camera app. It depends on the state of the phone. If the phone is not 'activated' - i.e. on the AOD mode. Pressing it in fact does nothing. If you wake the phone - either by touching the screen, or by waiting for the accelerometer to pick up motion, then pressing it opens the camera.

Contrast this to the action button. It will always launch it no matter what.

Second, the position of the button is very compromised for landscape shooting. I have larger hands but even for my index finger, it's not longer enough to be bent all the way above the iPhone frame. What you end up doing is, having the finger lay over the top right portion of the screen. One, that obstructs the screen as a viewfinder of the camera, and two it accidentally touches the screen sometimes.

Third, for almost all the half-press functions, they are vastly inferior to the on screen controls. Take zoom for example, it's physically much slower to go from 1x to 5x. Whereas by using the expanded half circle dial, you can zoom to 25x with even less time. Not to mention that with Camera Control you cannot zoom to small increments, like 2.5x.

So to put things in summary, here's where we landed

Camera ControlAction button
Launches app consistently50/50Always
Shutter controlWorks but sometimes misread as half pressesAlways
Video controlHold to recordHold to record
Zoom controlWorks but slow, coarse control, bad index finger positioningFast with on screen, granular control, perfect thumb positioning
Additional camera controls (exposure, aperture etc)Hard to access, not user friendlyon screen controls are equally hard, most users dont use it

There is in fact, no reason to use the camera control button over the action button. Other than the fact that, by degrading your camera launching experience you reclaim the action button for other uses. Which might be worth it for some users...

So this really begs the question, what is Apple doing? Well my theory is this.

I think camera control was suppose to be used with a hold action to launch. This makes it so that it launches 100% of the time, not 50. It's also suppose to be launched with a half press function that provides unique ability. Exactly what, I dont know. But it could've been, something related to cinematic mode or something. It's slated to launch later this year to control focus, but iPhone cameras have such small aperture that you have very deep depth of field all the time anyway which made no sense. They must have some other uses in mind to justify a whole hardware button built around it.

Likely what happened was, that they caved to the investor pressure of AI features. So (1) they repurposed the hold action to now be 'visual intelligence' and (2) they released this hardware/software early and dumbed down the half press feature.

So here we are, not only is Apple releasing a half complete feature (which I'm ok with) but they've butchered whatever original design concepts they had in the name of AI such that even WHEN those features are eventually complete, the end result will be crippled. In the end we will have an unnecessary hardware button to call upon AI (in additional to Siri - so now 2 AI buttons) coupled with a downgraded experience to launch camera or triggering the shutter (compared to any of the existing methods - action button, slide left on lock, press hold bottom right button)

This is where the shift in Apple’s philosophy since the Jobs era starts to show its cracks. It’s depressing, because the old Apple got right on things that no other companies were able to get right. I guess not even the Apple today.
 
I will say this. I stopped by my local Apple Store to check out the phone. I was super frustrated by the camera button. Other than launching the camera app and functioning as a shutter button, it was completely unintuitive to use. A core principal of Apple design, especially with the iPhone, has always been that you learn how to use something just by using it. How to do anything with the button was not apparent. No feedback or indication of what you're adjusting until you adjust it. I needed to lookup how to use it. A disappointing execution, but I am sure they will refine it in software.
 
I can't say much about the camera control, don't have an iPhone 16 yet. But to say that Apple got things right that no other companies were able to get right is IMHO wrong.

When the iPhone was released it lacked many features, many simple things such as being able to send MMS wasn't available until a few releases down the road. Crappy software updates, pulling Google Maps in favour for the then crappy Maps software, Antenna-gate are just many of the few things they got wrong during the Jobs era.

Apple do great stuff and I would say that the company has matured a lot during Tim Cooks leadership, both good and bad. But to say they used to be flawless is just not right.
 
Puck mouse on the iMac, no copy/paste for two years on iPhone, antenna bands, Apple Maps v1, the Cube. Let’s not pretend Apple was always this infallible company, they’ve released a lot of rubbish too.

Overall I agree, Camera Control sucks, I only use it to open the camera and as a shutter button, but I think you are over egging the idea that it ‘doesn’t always have the same function’ as if this is breaking some kind of core design principle.

The ‘f’ key on my MacBook always types the letter F, unless the screensaver is on or the Mac is asleep, in which case it wakes the Mac up. The fact that camera control does the same is intuitive, reasonable, and consistent.
 
I think the button is a bit stiff, but I’m starting to think that the people complaining about camera shake as if it’s some feature-breaking issue don’t have their thumb on the bottom of the phone. Like they are literally ‘pressing’ down with their finger, not squeezing the phone from the top and bottom.
 
Yeah I have to admit I'm not a fan of it at all. The reviews from blogs I think for the most part are trying to convince themselves that this is a worthwhile addition to the phone. As a complete Apple geek I struggle with liking the button. For someone that just wants to take photos and go on with their life I don't see them ever even using the button.

For a company that has always thrived on simplicity, the camera button is one of the most unintuitive additions to the phone that they have ever made. Probably the most unintuitive addition now that I think about it.

I liken it to the touchbar. Apple thought that was going to be the biggest innovation to the Mac in years. They did absolutely nothing to improve it or add to it over the years and people hated it. Then of course they get rid of it and act like it never existed, which is what I think will happen to the camera control button.
 
I think the button is a bit stiff, but I’m starting to think that the people complaining about camera shake as if it’s some feature-breaking issue don’t have their thumb on the bottom of the phone. Like they are literally ‘pressing’ down with their finger, not squeezing the phone from the top and bottom.

Who the heck wants to ”squeeze” their phone? It’s an unnatural gesture and covers a portion of the display. Besides, it’s not how Apple expects people to use the button anyway.

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Who the heck wants to ”squeeze” their phone? It’s an unnatural gesture and covers a portion of the display. Besides, it’s not how Apple expects people to use the button anyway.

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I wouldn’t take the pose of a hand model as a user guide, and I have to say it doesn’t feel unnatural to me at all. As I’ve said, I agree that the click requires too much pressure, but not to the extent that it breaks it as a feature.

Maybe it’s people who previously always used the volume button to take photos who feel most comfortable using the camera control button?

By the way, how do you press the on screen shutter button without ‘covering a portion of the display’?
 
i can’t find its utility as a camera button, but I think it would work great for scrolling. For example for apps like instagram and TikTok with the infinite scroll, would be cool to be able to scroll with it and double tapping it to like content. And maybe for messaging apps, it would work great for a shortcut to react to the last message or open the selfie camera, take a pic and send it just taping the camera control.

For the camera app… It’s more steady to tap the shutter button on the screen…
 
i can’t find its utility as a camera button, but I think it would work great for scrolling. For example for apps like instagram and TikTok with the infinite scroll, would be cool to be able to scroll with it and double tapping it to like content.

I’ve seen a few people say this, but holding my phone right now, I can’t for the life of me see how this would be better than using the screen to scroll. It seems like a solution in search of a problem (even more so than the current Camera Control implementation).
 
Also don't forget:

The original iPhone was small enough to be usable and pocketable, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a 3,5 mm headphone jack, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a Home button, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a good operating system which was fun and practical, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a message to the market, a new great design, which is now gone
etc.

Everything that made the iPhone great is now gone.

Apple is now an abandoned ship, trying to prove that they have a crew and a captain, but they are clueless.
 
Also don't forget:

The original iPhone was small enough to be usable and pocketable, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a 3,5 mm headphone jack, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a Home button, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a good operating system which was fun and practical, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a message to the market, a new great design, which is now gone
etc.

Everything that made the iPhone great is now gone.

Apple is now an abandoned ship, trying to prove that they have a crew and a captain, but they are clueless.
I don’t want to be rude, but I am going to be.
Everything on this list was either replaced by something better, improved, or is just your subjective opinion.

Seriously, this is some old man yells at cloud stuff.

Apple (twice) in recent years made a phone that was smaller/pocketable, and sales were awful.
Consumers were abandoning iPhone for android when 4 inches was the largest size, never mind 3.5 inches.

Yea they got rid of the headphone jack. Does the Pixel have one? The Galaxy S24? There must have been a ‘first car’ to get rid of the tape deck, and then the CD player, but good luck finding a new car with one now. People were up in arms about the iMac not having a floppy drive.

This is just nostalgia. Look, I love System 7, it’s important to me and the place where a lot of my youth happened, but I’d still take Sequoia every time, despite its flaws.

The home button point makes me suspect that you are trolling.
 
I don’t want to be rude, but I am going to be.
Everything on this list was either replaced by something better, improved, or is just your subjective opinion.

Seriously, this is some old man yells at cloud stuff.

Apple (twice) in recent years made a phone that was smaller/pocketable, and sales were awful.
Consumers were abandoning iPhone for android when 4 inches was the largest size, never mind 3.5 inches.

Yea they got rid of the headphone jack. Does the Pixel have one? The Galaxy S24? There must have been a ‘first car’ to get rid of the tape deck, and then the CD player, but good luck finding a new car with one now. People were up in arms about the iMac not having a floppy drive.

This is just nostalgia. Look, I love System 7, it’s important to me and the place where a lot of my youth happened, but I’d still take Sequoia every time, despite its flaws.

The home button point makes me suspect that you are trolling.

The original iPhones didn't have the eyesore called a notch either, they had proper bezels.
I don't and won't buy anything with a notch. If I'm missing the Home button, I'm a troll?

Reality check: Not everyone worships the new Apple. Many people, including me, miss the real iPhone.
 
Tried it in store. Was ok with the positioning but the zoom was too stuttery which limits its use case for smooth video control.

OCD element - I don’t like Apple’s plastic cases so it limits the choice of 3rd party options with a button rather than a lazy cutout.
 
My girlfriend is due to upgrade her old phone. I told her to wait a few months and I will help her get the 16 Pro and set it up. She's not immersed in tech news like me so I don't think she even knows about this yet. She's not one to tediously go through every setting and feature like many of us here would and she gets easily frustrated with tech glitches.

I plan to just disable the button when I set it up for her without even mentioning it, and perhaps bring it up and see what she wants to do with it once she gets used to the many other new things the 16 and iOS would bring, since it'd be a big jump from her old phone.
 
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The original iPhones didn't have the eyesore called a notch either, they had proper bezels.
I don't and won't buy anything with a notch. If I'm missing the Home button, I'm a troll?

Reality check: Not everyone worships the new Apple. Many people, including me, miss the real iPhone.
To you, though, and others like you. To plenty of other people (likely the majority, but who knows), the ‘chin and forehead’ were the eyesore.
To me, and others like me, saying that the old iPhones were better because they had ‘proper bezels’ is like saying that the Model T had a ‘proper crank handle’, or that the PowerBook 145 had ‘proper bezels’.

Time moves forward. You said before that the original iPhone had ‘a new great design, which is now gone’ - what do you want then? The original iPhone, exactly as it was in 2007, with a faster chip every year? How upset were you with the iPhone 4 redesign? Or do you feel it was better every year until 2017, with the iPhone 8 representing the peak?
 
Camera control is the worst thing that happened to the iPhone since the iPhone, or 3D touch, whatever was first.

iPhone is about uniformity in design and minimal distractions. Another button makes using cases more problematic, as well as it works like some sort of hi-tech toy instead of real feeling as you get on real cameras.

People asking for less processed photos, they slap even more processing. People want adequate colors, they bring what they brought with 16. People want to finally get rid of “dynamic island” pill and it stays here for so long. In fact, there are hardly any differences between older and newer iPhones in terms of design.

Also the actual cameras and sensors are identical across 14, 15 and 16. Three generations of same shots, no improvements and pure marketing.

Back in the days iPhones also were not as large as nowadays. I mean, I don’t want a pocket iPad mini. All I want is smaller form factor to come back. The smaller the better for photography.

Another thing that makes me really mad is that they still use idiotic 24mm and 26mm equiv focal length for main cameras. I mean IT IS TOO WIDE. I want to take a photo of flower, not surroundings and flower. And I don’t want macro camera for that (which is 10 times worse than the main camera), as well as I won’t fall for their digital zoom AI trickery
 
The good news about a lot of these complaints is that I assume they could be fixed in software.

Unfortunately for me my biggest complaint is the placement of the button. Maybe I'm an outlier because I have quite small hands (for a man, many woman have similar-sized or smaller hands than me) but I find the camera button to be significantly too far to the left. For me a more natural placement would be for the button to be moved about 1.2 button lengths to the right. Unfortunately (for me) that is not something that can be fixed in software.

I really like the concept of a multi-function (press or slide) button dedicated to the camera and hopefully Apple's implementation of that basic concept will improve over the next year or so. In theory software fixes could come much more quickly but from observing Apple's previous behaviour it seems to me that it can be really quite stubborn sometimes in accepting that something should be changed so even software changes of direction can take a while to arrive.
 
To you, though, and others like you. To plenty of other people (likely the majority, but who knows), the ‘chin and forehead’ were the eyesore.
To me, and others like me, saying that the old iPhones were better because they had ‘proper bezels’ is like saying that the Model T had a ‘proper crank handle’, or that the PowerBook 145 had ‘proper bezels’.

Time moves forward. You said before that the original iPhone had ‘a new great design, which is now gone’ - what do you want then? The original iPhone, exactly as it was in 2007, with a faster chip every year? How upset were you with the iPhone 4 redesign? Or do you feel it was better every year until 2017, with the iPhone 8 representing the peak?

I want a small iPhone that I can use with one hand, fit in my pocket, a full screen without the notch.
I miss the old iPhone design, the design meant for people. Our devices grow, but our hands stay the same.

Apple ignores or forget that shoe manufacturers makes shoes in DIFFERENT sizes, not just a single giant size.

Now, the now iPhone "design" language is "bigger is better". Apple is no longer making sense.
 
Man all y'all are very dramatic, and very fond of looking back at history through rosy glasses. Apple doesn't try something new? Not innovating. tries something not available on other devices? They're lost and aimless. It's a hardware button that can be tweaked in software in the future. Maybe they'll add action button like functionality options in the future, who knows. And it's entirely optional, so what does it really matter to someone if they don't want to use it? Complaining is super cathartic though.
 
The original iPhones didn't have the eyesore called a notch either, they had proper bezels.
I don't and won't buy anything with a notch. If I'm missing the Home button, I'm a troll?

Reality check: Not everyone worships the new Apple. Many people, including me, miss the real iPhone.
I just got used to it, I just try not to look at upper corners of screen. At this moment I am not sure what is uglier: my notch on 11 Pro or the “pill” they have in all iPhones since 13. Same with home button, once I got a grip of “swipe” gestures I cannot move back. Although on Samsungs I use virtual buttons instead, swipe feels too slow there.

I had seen Galaxy S24 and honestly, this one looks better. I would be as radical as remove front facing camera altogether and end this selfie idiocracy. Anyway this camera is 3 times worse than the main one
 
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