Can't Decide Between 14" and 16"

[bradl]

For those of you that are still deciding, here's something for you to think about.

For all of those BTOs that may be coming from China, when they are on their way up to Anchorage before hitting the US, they have to fly through oceanic airspace. While most of that route flies over Japan airspace, part of that oceanic flight that is northeast of Sapporo is actually passing through Russian oceanic airspace before being handed off to Anchorage Oceanic.

Seeing the given Russia/Ukraine conflict going on, while most countries have banned Russian carriers from flying through any other country's or bloc's airspace, that hasn't been entirely reciprocated the other way. So for right now, some carriers still have safe passage into/out of Russian airspace, but that could also change.

Should that change, not only will that affect all routing to/from Asia and the US, but all cargo runs to/from Asia, as well as contribute worse to the supply chain issue. No doubt that will delay deliveries of Apple products, especially any BTOs. So get those orders in now before any of that changes. Should people be waiting for the event coming up, that's a nasty game of chicken to play.

BL.

 

[jjahshik32]

Went from 13" M1 MBP to 14" M1 Pro Base model MBP and it was amazing! Screen was definitely much larger while it had similar foot print, vivid eye candy colors and deep black it was unreal. Then I craved for the 16" MBP and exchanged for it tonight and glad that I did! Even better speakers and the display is just immersive with the same eye candy display. I've always loved the original 17" Powerbook and this is what it reminds me of, now without the heat/loud fans! Both 14" and 16" are gorgeous in their own right but the 16" was what I missed, screen size.

Sometimes it makes me want to ditch all the external monitors that I have on my desk and just go minimalist style with just one display and the 16" MBP. But I do actually use all 3 of my external displays!

 

[hamiltonDSi]

If you need a high performance machine, go for the 16". Else go for the 14".

14" and 16" can have identical specs, this is the reason i went with 14" this time.
For over 10 years I used 15" Pros because of the higher performance.
This year, i configured my 14" the same way as a a larger 16"

 

[Technerd108]

14" and 16" can have identical specs, this is the reason i went with 14" this time.
For over 10 years I used 15" Pros because of the higher performance.
This year, i configured my 14" the same way as a a larger 16"

They have similar specs. They are not the same. The 16" does perform just slightly better, has a bigger battery, and bigger speakers and also has a bigger and faster charger. The 16" M1 Max also has high performance mode which none of the other MBP have. It has to ramp up the fans much more than the 16". The 16" cooling solution is a bit better.

This is not to say the 14" is a slouch it is almost identical in performance to the 16" but it is NOT identical.

To some portability is really important and somas performance which is what the 14" provides for those that want both over the benefits of the larger device!

 

[MisterSavage]

They have similar specs. They are not the same. The 16" does perform just slightly better, has a bigger battery, and bigger speakers and also has a bigger and faster charger. The 16" M1 Max also has high performance mode which none of the other MBP have. It has to ramp up the fans much more than the 16". The 16" cooling solution is a bit better.

I agree with most of what you said, but for my workload with Xcode I never hear the fans running on my 14". Cooling is a non-issue for me.

 

[hamiltonDSi]

They have similar specs. They are not the same. The 16" does perform just slightly better, has a bigger battery, and bigger speakers and also has a bigger and faster charger. The 16" M1 Max also has high performance mode which none of the other MBP have. It has to ramp up the fans much more than the 16". The 16" cooling solution is a bit better.

This is not to say the 14" is a slouch it is almost identical in performance to the 16" but it is NOT identical.

To some portability is really important and somas performance which is what the 14" provides for those that want both over the benefits of the larger device!

M1 Pro (not the 8 core version) and Max are identical on both screen sizes. Ram can be configured the same. GPU is the same.

This are the specs i was talking about. Not speakers and temperature lol, c’mon dude.
So yes, they can be the same specs wise.
I configured my $3000 14’ to be identical as his bigger brother and i can guarantee you it 100% performs the same in real life.

I am using Apple products for almost 20 years and i know macbook pro’s pretty good, and lets skip obvious facts like 16’ has a larger screen than the 14’ lol ; or that the 16’ has a ~15% louder speakers because its chasis is larger. And of course the 14’ gets hotter because its the same performance in a smaller chasis. And yes the battery is larger in a larger laptop.

Again, this are not PERFORMANCE specs. This are benefits of larger case.

BTW The 16’ is a super machine and i love it, at first i was unsure if 14’ will be good for me because in the past i have purchased only 15’ macbooks. However in the end it worked out just fine and i still have my old 15’ TouchBar hooked up to a Cinema Display (from 2004! lol) on my desk.

 

[Technerd108]

M1 Pro (not the 8 core version) and Max are identical on both screen sizes. Ram can be configured the same. GPU is the same.

This are the specs i was talking about. Not speakers and temperature man, c’mon.
So yes, they can be the same specs wise.
I configured my $3000 14’ to be identical as his bigger brother and i can guarantee you it 100% performs the same in real life.

I am using Apple products for almost 20 years and i know the ins and outs of every macbook pro. So please dont tell me obvious facts like 16’ has a larger screen than the 14’ lol.
Or the fact that the 16’ has a 10% or 15% deeper/louder speakers, because its chasis is larger. And of course the 14’ gets hotter because its the same performance in a smaller chasis. And yes the battery is larger in a larger laptop.

Again, this are not PERFORMANCE specs. This are benefits of larger case.

BTW The 16’ is a super machine and i love it, at first i was unsure if 14’ will be good for me because in the past i have purchased only 15’ macbooks. However in the end it worked out just fine and i still have my old 15’ TouchBar hooked up to a Cinema Display (from 2004! lol) on my desk.

Battery size and cooling system are specs actually and so are larger speakers. However I digress and understand your reply. In terms of what you can buy performance wise the specs are again similar since battery capacity and larger cooling system are different oh and same with the speakers. That being said, the 14" is an incredible machine and a wet dream for Intel. Imagine an H series processor from Intel in the older 13" MBP.... no way it would pan out well. While the 14" MBP with AS is just as powerful in use for most cases as the 16"!

 

[nquinn]

M1 Pro (not the 8 core version) and Max are identical on both screen sizes. Ram can be configured the same. GPU is the same.

This are the specs i was talking about. Not speakers and temperature lol, c’mon dude.
So yes, they can be the same specs wise.
I configured my $3000 14’ to be identical as his bigger brother and i can guarantee you it 100% performs the same in real life.

I am using Apple products for almost 20 years and i know macbook pro’s pretty good, and lets skip obvious facts like 16’ has a larger screen than the 14’ lol ; or that the 16’ has a ~15% louder speakers because its chasis is larger. And of course the 14’ gets hotter because its the same performance in a smaller chasis. And yes the battery is larger in a larger laptop.

Again, this are not PERFORMANCE specs. This are benefits of larger case.

BTW The 16’ is a super machine and i love it, at first i was unsure if 14’ will be good for me because in the past i have purchased only 15’ macbooks. However in the end it worked out just fine and i still have my old 15’ TouchBar hooked up to a Cinema Display (from 2004! lol) on my desk.

I generally agree that there's not that much of a difference, but it's just wrong that they aren't performance specs.

Larger chassis and more cooling capacity means the chip can run programs without throttling. Just look at the 16" vs 14" benchmarks. There clearly is SOME performance difference.

 

[hamiltonDSi]

I generally agree that there's not that much of a difference, but it's just wrong that they aren't performance specs.

Larger chassis and more cooling capacity means the chip can run programs without throttling. Just look at the 16" vs 14" benchmarks. There clearly is SOME performance difference.

I 100% agree with you that the 16' has slightly better benchmarks, i've seen them when i was choosing between 14' and 16' lol.

I don't know if you know this, but in the past some generations of iPhone that had a Plus versions and shipped with the same A SoC actually had different benchmarks - the non Plus version had slightly better scores than the Plus version because the display was smaller and the GPU would render a lower resolution.
But you could not notice the performance difference. The better score did not reflect in real life.

I also remember that Apple shipped the iPhone 6s with the versions of the A processor, one made by Samsung and one made by TSMC and the Samsung 6s had a weaker benchmark score than a TSMC 6s.
And again, in real life you could not tell which iPhone was Samsung or TSMC.
I personally tested this with my old 6s Plus Samsung Soc and my girlfriends regular 6s TSMC Soc. Both phones performed 100% the same and my girlfriends had better scores.


Of course, now were talking about a pro laptop not a mobile phone, but the point i'm trying to make is that if a product with the same CPU/GPU/RAM comes in 2 sizes, the performance will be identical at daily use. You will only see the difference in benchmarks or in iStat when you check fans or CPU temp, but i disagree that those better scores reflect in real life daily use.
Ok, lets say that under super heavy workflows, maybe the 16' will export a 4K video 5 seconds faster than a 14' or smth like that, and that for me is almost identical.
However thats not my case, I work on google chrome extensions and for me the performance in my pro workflow is the same on the 2 screen sizes.

Anyways, in a couple of years i'll replace my 15" TouchBar with a 16" M1 Pro, because like i said in other posts, i love the bigger model as well.
But i just feel that finally, with this generation of mbp you can choose the smaller computer without loosing important perfomance (of course you loose the obvious like screen size, speaker loudness and battery size) - and thats OK, because in the past the smaller pro's had less cores, a crappy integrated graphics and less ram. Now, with the 14', that changed.

 

[nquinn]

I don't know if you know this, but in the past some generations of iPhone that had a Plus versions and shipped with the same A SoC actually had different benchmarks - the non Plus version had slightly better scores than the Plus version because the display was smaller and the GPU would render a lower resolution.
But you could not notice the performance difference. The better score did not reflect in real life.

That's simply not true. Plenty of "benchmarks" were actual tests of encoding time on projects, etc. Those are real life apps showing real life differences in time.

 

[norwaypianoman]

I am about to buy a used 16" base model, instead of a Studio One. Cause: I would love to buy an more expensive Studio later. I need 16" to travel around and work with others in the same team, and be on travels. Or maybe travelling could become impossible in autumn ?

I do not know what will happen with the economy. But are there reasons pro and against this ?

 

[bradl]

I am about to buy a used 16" base model, instead of a Studio One. Cause: I would love to buy an more expensive Studio later. I need 16" to travel around and work with others in the same team, and be on travels. Or maybe travelling could become impossible in autumn ?

I do not know what will happen with the economy. But are there reasons pro and against this ?

You kinda answered the question yourself here: portability.

If you need to travel around and work with others, there is no way you'll want to lug around a Studio and a display (if applicable) to do that work. By having the MBP, you've eliminated that.

The bigger question you need to ask is: Is there anything that you need to do that the M1 Pro or M1 Max can not do that the M1 Ultra can? if so, think of the pros and cons of those, as well as see if you can find benchmarks on the times it will take to complete that work. Then factor that in versus portability, and that will get you your answer.

BL.

 

[flapflapflap]

16 makes more sense. Yes it is noticeable heavier and less usable in some environments (some coffee shops, airplane) but the better thermals, larger screen, better battery life makes it a more compelling choice!

 

[TimothyJohn]

I bought two 13" M1 Air's. Killer!! But not enough ports to do Audio Production comfortably. I JUMPED on an M1 Pro 16" in October. After being delivered a dead one, Apple FINALLY delivered a still working one in December. Since I previously owned a now bricked 17" MacBook Pro, I chose to get 1" less than the 17", and not 1" more than the 13". Well, for the first time, at Costco, I actually saw a 14" M1 Pro laptop in person. RU kidding me? FORTY-THREE PAGES of,

"Can't Decide Between 14" and 16"!!??!!​

So many people being indecisive? Why?

It was much smaller than I envisioned. Sitting right next to the 13" Air, I thought, "What's the point?" If you haven't decided yet, get the dang 16". Or get the M1 Air or iPad Pro, and save $1200-$1500.

You're welcome!!

 

[MisterSavage]

I bought two 13" M1 Air's. Killer!! But not enough ports to do Audio Production comfortably. I JUMPED on an M1 Pro 16" in October. After being delivered a dead one, Apple FINALLY delivered a still working one in December. Since I previously owned a now bricked 17" MacBook Pro, I chose to get 1" less than the 17", and not 1" more than the 13". Well, for the first time, at Costco, I actually saw a 14" M1 Pro laptop in person. RU kidding me? FORTY-THREE PAGES of,

"Can't Decide Between 14" and 16"!!??!!​

So many people being indecisive? Why?

It was much smaller than I envisioned. Sitting right next to the 13" Air, I thought, "What's the point?" If you haven't decided yet, get the dang 16". Or get the M1 Air or iPad Pro, and save $1200-$1500.

You're welcome!!

I suggest you don't look at this iPad thread if you thought 43 pages was excessive.

11 or 12.9 Pro ?

I can't decide which one to get - can you help me make up my mind ? Thx :)

forums.macrumors.com

 

[nquinn]

I bought two 13" M1 Air's. Killer!! But not enough ports to do Audio Production comfortably. I JUMPED on an M1 Pro 16" in October. After being delivered a dead one, Apple FINALLY delivered a still working one in December. Since I previously owned a now bricked 17" MacBook Pro, I chose to get 1" less than the 17", and not 1" more than the 13". Well, for the first time, at Costco, I actually saw a 14" M1 Pro laptop in person. RU kidding me? FORTY-THREE PAGES of,

"Can't Decide Between 14" and 16"!!??!!​

So many people being indecisive? Why?

It was much smaller than I envisioned. Sitting right next to the 13" Air, I thought, "What's the point?" If you haven't decided yet, get the dang 16". Or get the M1 Air or iPad Pro, and save $1200-$1500.

You're welcome!!

I was super torn but glad I went 16" for these reasons (mentioned before):
- It's largely a "house laptop" for me and won't leave much
- The screen is WAY nicer. To me the 14" screen wasn't that much better than the 13" Air M1 screen, and at that point I think I might just wait for a new M2/M3 air for travel.
- All of the other performances/heat/speaker stuff is nice but doesn't matter much to me. Battery also doesn't matter too much since for me it's mostly around the house.

It is very heavy though. Somewhat tempted to grab a new ipad air M1 model + keyboard for travel.

 

[flapflapflap]

I was super torn but glad I went 16" for these reasons (mentioned before):
- It's largely a "house laptop" for me and won't leave much
- The screen is WAY nicer. To me the 14" screen wasn't that much better than the 13" Air M1 screen, and at that point I think I might just wait for a new M2/M3 air for travel.
- All of the other performances/heat/speaker stuff is nice but doesn't matter much to me. Battery also doesn't matter too much since for me it's mostly around the house.

It is very heavy though. Somewhat tempted to grab a new ipad air M1 model + keyboard for travel.

I haven't used my M1 MBP 13 without it being connected to my LG 34 inch 5K2K for some time. Recently, I took it to my buddy's place to work on some spreadsheets before watching game and boy was it tough working on that screen. I might wait another year or so to see if Apple will release a lighter/thinner 15 or 16 inch MacBook. Would love at least 15 inches.

 

[The Game 161]

Decided to order the 16 inch and return the 14 inch. Felt for the time I will have this go big

 

[fpenta]

Decided to order the 16 inch and return the 14 inch. Felt for the time I will have this go big

Well done. I went for the 14” because of portability but my heart wanted the 16”

 

[The Game 161]

Well done. I went for the 14” because of portability but my heart wanted the 16”

14 inch is amazing though so you Can’t go wrong with either option.

 

[prospervic]

I love, love, love a big, spacious screen, so I got the 16”.
When carrying it (which I don’t do often), the weight begins to feel burdensome after an 1/2 hour or so.

Mask mandates are ending. Time for me to get back to the gym.

 

[UltimateSyn]

I suggest you don't look at this iPad thread if you thought 43 pages was excessive.

11 or 12.9 Pro ?

I can't decide which one to get - can you help me make up my mind ? Thx :)

forums.macrumors.com

Still split straight down the middle with 2,000 votes. Incredible.

 

[MisterSavage]

Still split straight down the middle with 2,000 votes. Incredible.

Seriously. It went back and forth and at one time I though 11" would be the minority.

 

[The Game 161]

Beast has arrived

 

[AVBeatMan]

Beast has arrived

14? 16?