I'm glad you didn't sell yourself short.Nope. I am typing this from my new PC. Took some time to make space for it alongside my Mac Pro until I can get all the files I want transferred. Should I call it Timmy?
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Can't innovate any more, my ass?
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It took me a while to make up my mind on the hardware but I figured I was better off hardware wise than getting a Mac Pro and I spent less. The only thing I have to deal with is getting an adapter for mini DisplayPort to standard size DisplayPort since the 1070 needs standard size.
I haven't downloaded Outlook yet so I tried the standard Mail app that comes with Windows 10 and lo and behold, it can access my iCloud account so now I can sync mail and calendars with my PC, Mac and iPad. Don't know if Outlook will do that (probably will though) so the only thing left to figure out is syncing reminders/todos.
Now I get to transfer all the files over to the PC and figure out how the directory system (Libraries etc.)
If i was Phil, then I would say courageous.
However im not, so welcome to the PC club
Cables with DP on one end and mDP on the other are pretty easy to find.
Those clever folks at Dell ship the 27" 4K monitor with an mDP <-> DP cable. The monitor has DP and mDP inputs.
If you have an Apple laptop, you plug the mDP end into the laptop and the DP end into the monitor.
If you have a video card with DP outputs, you plug the DP end into the video card and the mDP end into the monitor.
No need for Dell to ship two cables or a gender-changing dongle.
As ActionableMango beat me to the punch, I'll simply chime in that singhs was obviously pointing out that a refreshed cMP design or similar would have a much higher potential performance envelope w/ dual CPU sockets, PCIe, etc, than the nMP.
I think what kills me the most is that Apple-using pros want to be able to get the maximum or near-maximum performance available. Heck, even if a given customer doesn't buy the highest-end system, at the very least, he wants to know that the option is there. That there's a Mac that can take on all challengers. Cutting off the top half of the performance range (and the expansion range...) in order to make the nMP a slick little cylinder is fine...IF you have a serious option to go along with it.
Fantastically stated. And excellent point: "self-imposed limitation". That's indeed what's so infuriating. Apple tries so hard to be cute, and despite quite a lot of good ideas and innovations, I think they could have made the bad things good and the good things better if they'd just have some sense and consider what their customers actually need. As you say, they self-impose this limitation to meet goals that the vast majority are not asking for.
Again, what drives me bananas is the mindless obsession w/ thin and light (WTF does an iMac need a razor edge for?? Am I going to use it to slice a steak??), to the detriment of actual, useful functionality. Do we think Ive is forcing this mantra on the rest, or is it a herd mentality about it at the top?
A thinner iMac looks more sleek on a desktop. Not that it matters, but design matters to Apple. More than performance apparently. And, for all the customers (the majority) that only needs the machine to boot up and start Office or a webbrowser, I assume they want thinness rather than performance. Besides it looks good for a receptionist at a fancy company and in movies....So that makes Apple happy. But I agree, at least the top tier iMacs should have a bigger fotprint, to make room for ventilation and desktop class hardware. That's why I once hoped Apple could release a 32" iMac, it would give them the extra space needed I assume.
WHat I really dont understand though is the Mac Pro. Which is hidden on your desk, the design of it. because the Mac Pro ONLY looks good before you start plugging cables into it. Once all is connected its cable salad uglier than any big tower desktop, unless you make an effort to make your desktop tower to look bad. But with the nMP its impossible to make it look good with all the cables.....and that's a machine where power should matter more than the looks.
Don't forget the bigger PSU.
And better performance in general, even with the same hardware, because of the better airflow.
There wouldn't be any throttling...
The nMP stands for ''Not my problem''.
The nMP stands for ''Not my problem''.
3 years. This is the first I've seen this. Brilliant.
Eh, technically, speed bumps and dropping in denser RAM chips is not "innovation".
The Touch Bar technically is.
The delightful irony is that Apple users are discovering that "innovation" is not really all the story, plain - but fast - beige boxes go a long way to keep your business competitive and put bread on the table.
The 2000-era Macs were innovative, did have great design, a competitive and versatile OS matched by no other (IRIX was on its last legs and Windows XP - come on) but more importantly... the company bothered to drop new chips in once in a while
If i was Phil, then I would say courageous.
However im not, so welcome to the PC club
Welcome. You'll love it here.
It's great, it feels just like Macs in the 2000s.
Took us >10 years to get here, but we got here.
Meanwhile, Macs didn't go much farther
Reminds me of the quote: “You can't make a race horse of a pig. … But you can make a very fast pig.”
It could also stand for No More Performance.
Any hope of a 7,1 MP getting standard video cards was jettisoned when Apple hitched its wagon to intel's thunderbolt spec. You can't have a TB port without a display port signal because of the spec. The only way for a standard PCIe card to support that is either route the DP output on the video back into a PCIe card with TB controller and a display port input, or the card needs a display port edge connector so that can be connected to a motherboard header that routes the signal to the motherboards TB controller. Neither of these solutions are not likely acceptable to Apple. So the remaining solution is to create custom video cards with custom connectors that combine the PCIe signals and the display port signals; see 6,1 cards. So if a 7,1 MP ever sees the light of day your only video card choices will continue to be the 2 or 3 that Apple provides. Your only other option is an eGPU, which will be twice as expensive with 1/4 the bandwidth.
But their is always windows.
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Looks we need a innovative solution.
Sorry, had to.
It could also stand for No More Performance.
Any hope of a 7,1 MP getting standard video cards was jettisoned when Apple hitched its wagon to intel's thunderbolt spec. You can't have a TB port without a display port signal because of the spec. The only way for a standard PCIe card to support that is either route the DP output on the video back into a PCIe card with TB controller and a display port input, or the card needs a display port edge connector so that can be connected to a motherboard header that routes the signal to the motherboards TB controller. Neither of these solutions are not likely acceptable to Apple. So the remaining solution is to create custom video cards with custom connectors that combine the PCIe signals and the display port signals; see 6,1 cards. So if a 7,1 MP ever sees the light of day your only video card choices will continue to be the 2 or 3 that Apple provides. Your only other option is an eGPU, which will be twice as expensive with 1/4 the bandwidth.
But their is always windows.
Looks we need a innovative solution.
Sorry, had to.
Not really because I need a female mDP to a male DP. The monitor on my Mac has a cable with a mDP at the end and the 1070 has a DP connection on it. I contacted 3 computer shops in the area and the only cables were mDP male to DP male. The last computer shop checked Amazon for me and they have what I need.
wait is that for real??Sorry, I forgot that one manufacturer glues the cables to the monitors.
Just as real as soldered RAM and soldered SSDs.
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I'm amused that an Apple exec said something like "Can't innovate any more, my ass" at a keynote 3½ years ago and it's still biting him in that same ass.
Perhaps if Apple actually had "great products in the pipeline" back then (or now) Shiller's faux pas wouldn't have been a target for ridicule.
Holy cow that's funny. I'm sure there was proprietary iMagic in that displayport cable that would escape if disconnected.
Alternative joke: Real professionals don't need > 6 feet in their monitor cables.
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Actually, that issue is on me. The cable has a very small release area at the very end of the connection and since the cable plugs in vertically into the monitor, I couldn't see it behind an overhang and by touch, it only felt like a ribbed ridge. Finally I pressed in on it (having tried everything else) and the cable came out.Sorry, I forgot that one manufacturer glues the cables to the monitors.
One of those embarrassing slap on head moments
Frys has them if you have one local, but the people on the floor have no idea what they are.
It's an pro workstation so what is so bad about an voodoo like loop back cable linked to an add in pci-e card? even if you need to hide it an big case?It could also stand for No More Performance.
Any hope of a 7,1 MP getting standard video cards was jettisoned when Apple hitched its wagon to intel's thunderbolt spec. You can't have a TB port without a display port signal because of the spec. The only way for a standard PCIe card to support that is either route the DP output on the video back into a PCIe card with TB controller and a display port input, or the card needs a display port edge connector so that can be connected to a motherboard header that routes the signal to the motherboards TB controller. Neither of these solutions are not likely acceptable to Apple. So the remaining solution is to create custom video cards with custom connectors that combine the PCIe signals and the display port signals; see 6,1 cards. So if a 7,1 MP ever sees the light of day your only video card choices will continue to be the 2 or 3 that Apple provides. Your only other option is an eGPU, which will be twice as expensive with 1/4 the bandwidth.
But their is always windows.
The mac pro is an workstation and other workstations are setup that way.
https://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Thunderbolt.cfm
Or be like server boards and have an low video chip on the pci bus as on board video. Then you have TB with video out and also have video cards that are just video out.