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Can't innovate any more, my ass?
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Imagine a new mac pro dual socket... skylake ep rumored for up to 32 cores on a single cpu, broadwell is on 22 atm. Imagine a mac pro with 2x 32 cores.
No but you did state something false, if you had said that you would much rather have a computer where you can upgrade the components yourself then you would have said something worth saying but you didn't
Apart from that there still is very little to upgrade, AMD haven't released their latest enterprise class chips yet, yes there are skylake Xeons available but let's be honest without a great graphics boost as well they aren't worth the effort for Apple to redesign from haswell.
False ? Uhh how is it false, good man ? Arguing for the sake of argument ? Attributing imaginary words ?
A 2013 cMP reference automatically suggests potential dual socket, upgradable system. How difficult is it to understand ?
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I would love for a guy at MS named Schill Philler to say "Pros don't need a touch screen my ass!"
The surface studio really is a slick product.
Differences of opinion tend to cause arguments, so you want a dual 12 core processor do you? why wouldn't Apple just wait for the chips with up to 32 cores announced for next year?? Oh wait that's what they are doing along with waiting for the fire Pro replacements, AMD have yet to release.
Too many watts! Don't you know that Pros don't want more than 450 watts in their machine?
You're no pro! Imposter!
NO. It wouldn’t. The individual parts might be the same speed but the sum is greater than the whole for example;
With the tower, you have direct access to the PCI bus. The TB ports are throttled access. This means you could set up a very fast drive indeed.
If you want to see what kind of thing you can achieve, look here.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/amfeltec-x16-pcie-with-4-ssds-5900-mb-s.1936311/
Dual socket and dual core are NOT the same, that’s what is being alluded to here.
In retrospect, Apple's idea that nMP having 6 TB2 ports actually qualified as acceptable replacement of PCI slots was actually outrageously arrogant, if not outright dumb. The MBP2016's case of TB3 replacing everything else at least has a technical foot to stand on. It is this self-imposed limitation that is driving professional users up the wall. One can only streamline the design of a tool so far until it becomes literally useless, and it really shows when the previous iteration was perfectly fine.
I don't think many people argue with this now, but boy did we have flamewars on this board back in the day!
I heard about how we'd have a daisy-chained string of 32 eGPU's on these trash cans and editing houses using Thunderbolt networks instead of 10GbE.
I don't know if you know this, but in 2013 thunderbolt was right on the cusp of high quality low costs devices. Sure, it's taken 3 years and STILL hasn't happened, but any day now, you'll see, thunderbolt was a great move!
I don't even think it's on their radar. If they are a profit driven business and lets say their stock was $20 when Leopard was around and it jumped to $140 because of concentrating on iOS then they wouldn't even address the 25%. They'll continue pouring current and new resources into what is driving the money.
At that time I was working in a music recording and mastering studio where PCI card was not just a norm but a must, at least within our circle we simply collectively wrote off the nMP as an option at all. So I kind of missed the debate as there wasn't even a debate, we had to stick with cMPs, or some other studios decided to switch to PCs (painfully).
But I do know that in video / film post, at least some vendors decided to rock with Thunderbolt and have moderate success, namely BlackMagic with their decks. But it mainly benefits on-location high bandwidth (4K) shooting with portable editing stations with MBP etc, I have never seen a nMP on set. I believe the difficulty in mounting it on a rack had something to do with it. Thunderbolt also got some use in utlizing external SSDs, when sitting inside a computer as a permanent drive SATA or PCI may be a better choice, but for recording media that often needs to be plugged and unplugged and passed around, TB enclosures were more than ideal for the task.
Daisy chaining is useful, but it is limited to peripherals that would not otherwise be desired to sit inside a tower, such as monitors, input devices, external storages and interfaces etc. I have no idea what kind of use-case a daisy chained array of eGPU can serve, especially considering the bandwidth is shared among the same chain down the same bus. Also Tb networking is never going to take off, not with TB1 TB2 and even with TB3. The need of a chipped and powered connector, the range limit, the cabling requirement and cost... It can see niche use but no more than that.
But I actually am a bit more positive with TB3, as this time it encapsulates almost every other relevant I/O in existence, together with the adoption of USB-C form factor means we will see much wide-spread usage across all of IT, instead of the Mac exclusivity of TB2/1 and the Firewire. If only the nMP came out today instead of 2013, and start with 6 full width TB3, no one would laugh at those being genuine PCI replacements.
I totally agree: makes perfect sense for laptops and at least TB3 is 4GBps so eGPUs are a thing as well. That's why I think Apple's aiming to have the macbook pro replace the trash can (has it already?), especially when eGPUs are better supported--but Apple's quietly increasing support with new OS updates.
I think the Bloomberg article made the wrong call there. Most of the things they described, such as multiple designs, happened under Jobs as well. Some have even leaked out over the years. But working through the design process with Steve is an entirely different experience than working through that process with Cook. Again, Tim doesn't command the same loyalty. People would flock to Apple to work under Steve, even if the work was hard.
I think the only thing that could possibly fall into this line of thinking is Ive's growing ability to disrupt projects without any sort of check on his power.
I know we are just pulling strews here and I guess I should speak more in a general sense. I mean societies have long relied on a single human being as a figurehead, for a reason. Whether or not such a person is a visionary was just a bonus, it is actually the leadership with a strong personality that holds pieces in place. People are content to get belittled if they feel it is towards a greater purpose. A compass and a map is enough to tell sailors where they are, but it is the captain who tells them where to go.
there is no where near the pci-e for 6 TB3 ports with each getting full speed.
Also what about some inside sata ports? or at least 2 storage ports?
also Ethernet port is needed. Wifi sucks for desktops much less an office full of them. Unless you want get a lot of $100-$200 high end AP's to run them.
It really feels sad, looking at the front page. And it's worst for me, because I don't have any of the products, neither planning on buying them.
Assuming it works as advertised, I would agree. It would be an iMac/Wacom killer, in my opinion. Right now, I have two 23" monitors and a 22" Wacom Cintiq. I could conceivably replace all three with one very big and very well-made touch screen. The one thing I haven't seen any info on is whether it utilizes palm rejection like Wacom and the iPad Pro. That is crucial for most artists like myself.
A 2013 cMP could have 2 CPU sockets, 8 to 24 memory slots, faster GPUs, more GPUs, CUDA options, and faster PCIe storage. I'm quite sure it could have been much faster than the nMP in virtually every way.
Nope. I am typing this from my new PC. Took some time to make space for it alongside my Mac Pro until I can get all the files I want transferred. Should I call it Timmy?