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Can't innovate any more, my ass?
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If you need one and a warranty asap, i.e. a Mac died in the middle of a very important project, what are your other options?
You 're buying because of a need, not because you like to pay a lot of money for older hardware...
Except if you 're a collector or a museum.
If you need one and a warranty asap, i.e. a Mac died in the middle of a very important project, what are your other options?
You 're buying because of a need, not because you like to pay a lot of money for older hardware...
Except if you 're a collector or a museum.
Sure, yes.. in that scenario, I could understand it. But even then I'd be extremely resentful if it were my money!
Yes, it's logical, my thoughts too.
I guess that this only happens with these unique Apple products we 're buying.
Unique and controversial feelings...
I have read it too.
I can't remember if it is valid for all the capacities or for only the 1 tb one...
I can't remember if it is valid for all the capacities or for only the 1 tb one...
No, there are no drivers for the 980. I JUST checked. You have to get the GTX 680 ones which works with the 980, but no official 980 driver list.
I prefer mine which is F***ing Useless Drivel
what is so innovative about a black trash? which looks like an octopus when one tries to expand it..
Nvidia Web drivers include drivers for the GTX9xx series GPU, including TITAN X and support for GPGPU
If you are in doubt of how to install them, check the following link:
http://create.pro/blog/how-to-insta...x-titan-x-980-ti-980-970-or-960-in-a-mac-pro/
[doublepost=1482200558][/doublepost]Just to put some gasoline on the fire...
Tim Cook just said they have great plans for their desktop lineup (although he was probably high and pointed at the iMac)
BAM
https://www.slashgear.com/tim-cook-to-apple-employees-we-have-great-desktops-planned-19468040/
Well.
No direct mention of the Mac Pro. Just the iMac.
Hmm...
Well.
No direct mention of the Mac Pro. Just the iMac.
Hmm...
Go to NVIDIA's website. Tell it you have a GTX 980 and look at the Operating Systems list. No OS X. Tell it you have a GTX 680 and you DO have OS X on the list. There are no official drivers for the GTX 980, it just appears to work with the GTX 680 drivers. It is not on the supported products list on the download either.
Again, it is not OFFICIALLY supported. Even that Quadro driver you listed does not have GTX 980 in the supported products list.
"Some folks in the media have raised the question about whether we’re committed to desktops"
Tim Cook is talking directly to everyone here. No one in the media has been worried about their commitment to the iMac.
Of course even when Apple is throwing pretty clear signals some people around here will still insist the Mac Pro is dead... But I'm glad Tim Cook finally said something. Should have happened a while ago.
Not to mention Apple has a LOT f experience with the underlying machine code for which Arm processors are based on RISC computing (IBM+Motorola PPC CPUs).
I have a feeling a newer MacPro will debut. Something a little more modular than the current yet possibly smaller.
Combining the MacMini as well.
Base model Core 'I' based with a slaughter larger than MacMini but with MacPro trash AJ like design. But with completely base internal GPU's keeping costs down and pricing right for entry level desktop users. Then like the Razor external video card over Thunerbolt 3 allows for use GPU expansion done cheaper for Apple of course and expandable CPU internally for the "Pro" version.
Yet for Apple to really push iPads as a desktop replacement iOS UI and core coding needs to be much more powerful and modular to handle requests. Will WiDi with Thunderbolt 3 base stations allow for more powerful rendering of CPU and GPU processes along with storage on iPad as Magic Mouse use? What will it evolve into ?!
Yesssssss!!! This.
The nMP _is_ a cool design. But too limited to be the flagship and give the most demanding users what they need. Pairing it with a rethinking of the Mac Pro as the "true Mac tower" you mention would give a nice range of options AND suggest to customers that they give a damn.
I see this apologist rationale a fair bit, and while it seems logical, I think it's a silly excuse made on Apple's behalf. Removing something that a small percentage of your users are using or need just because they are a small percentage makes for a more restricted and less useful system. And it's arrogant, inconsiderate, and moronic of a product-maker when that removal is unnecessary. Yet here we are, with Apple continuing to push the boundaries of what choices they can take away from us.
I'm a consultant, and I regularly have to urge those seeking my advice on a new purchase to get more RAM or SSD than they actually need, because there's no way to upgrade the stupid things anymore. So, it forces people who are trying to buy what they need now w/o breaking the bank to consider paying a lot more on the gamble that they MAY need more capacity later. Such closed, dead-end systems unfortunately illustrate exactly what Apple has become: deaf and uncaring. Apple used to be all about multiple ways to accomplish a task or fill a need. No longer. If they can make a single, big, slidey ON/OFF UI switch that won't confuse Grandma, then by God, they're gonna force it on everyone.
That's ridiculous. The "entire industry" ruling out any upgradability in computers. Sure.
And it isn't "physically impossible" for Apple, they just stupidly think that we'd much rather toss away any modularity, expandability, or repairability we might normally expect so that the effing systems can be another 1mm thinner and take up less volume. "My Retina MacBook Pro is just too thick! And heavy!" ...said no rMBP owner ever.
Had this conversation on another thread. The simple fact of the matter is that we shouldn't have to seek out Apple and a custom device to connect to a special port on the logic board merely to regain access to our data if the logic board dies.
It truly is ludicrous the lengths Apple appears to be going to make sure no pro/enthusiast/enterprise/specialty needs are met anymore. Their dictating-to-the-customer-what-the-customer-wants crap might fly in the iPhone or iMac sector, but not in the high-end market. The Mac Pro, or any other smaller-than-iPhone-volume product (so, all of them, I guess), doesn't have to make AS MUCH profit as the iPhone, as long as it does turn a profit and at least sustain itself.
I'm a Corvette aficionado, and back in the late 80s and early 90s, the program had to fight for its life because there was a perception during dark times at GM that Corvette's small volume was a detriment and costly to the company. But despite the low volume, Corvette was quite profitable in its own right. The same can be true of Mac Pro and any other Mac product that seems to bear the red-headed stepchild cross in the iOS-obsessed Apple these days. Instead of sucking the life out of every corner of the Mac platform, I find myself wishing Apple would spin off a Mac division and keep "a sheet of paper is too thick" Jony as far away as possible. Perhaps a resurrection of "Apple COMPUTER, Inc."...
The more I read comments from "Pro" users on various video and design sites, the more I feel Apple is not giving much love to the professional market anymore. Pro used to mean something. Now it is a marketing tool. They continue to come out with new "Pro" versions of iPads and Laptops. Waiting for the iPhone Pro....
It was. There has definitely been stealth upgrades and fine revisions to the nMP since launch.
In BMD Speed Test, a nMP purchased this month gets 1,400-1,500 MegaBytes/sec for both read and write.
The original nMP models got 900-1,000 Megabytes/sec.
This is with the 1TB option on both and I conducted the tests by my own hands.
Another interesting note which I missed somehow before:
The free version of Resolve running on a nMP uses both video cards for GPU acceleration.
The one GPU limit imposed on any other system for the free version does not apply for the nMP.
Dual D700s is about equal to one TitanX in real world use in the free version for 4K and 6K video.
Another neat fact, nMP recognizes Thunderbolt displays as 10-bit when plugged in.
Most armchair experts preach ad nauseam that thunderbolt monitors are 8-bit.
Its a shame Apple makes some great products but fails to market them well or listen to customers.
If Apple released their own TB2 enclosures w/ the nMP, many may not have moved to windows.
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Apple isn't the company you want it to be. For a long time now, and really right from the beginning, it's been or tried to be a broad consumer product company, not a company that makes niche products for nerds (we were just spoiled for a while when they made the cMP). Remember that the Apple II was intended to basically be a kitchen appliance that maybe helped with budgeting and played a few games.
When Apple sees that a product or a feature is used by less than 1% of their market, they reassign priorities and resources. Counter-apologists, if you will, would say "Apple has so much money, they should/could/must give us what we want!" But that's just the whining of the <1%, and guess what, Apple doesn't care. They are a profit driven enterprise, not a charity for niche nerds. That's not an apology, that's the pragmatism of capitalism.
And yes, in the near future, it really will be impossible to have upgradable components, at least if you do want ever higher performance. How are you going to upgrade HBM when they are bump bonded to a substrate with the CPU? Even for conventional RAM, the capacitance of sockets and the sticks and the longer wires they force is probably greater than that of the chip's I/O, meaning more power and less signal integrity. That's why you don't see more than 2 memory modules per channel anymore. In the near future, that will apply to almost all components by almost all manufacturers, e.g. soldered-on low-voltage RAM will become the norm, followed by HBM variants, probably followed by variations of 3-D stacking of RAM, flash and CPU/GPU combinations, etc. You don't have to believe me, the trends will speak for themselves.
Finally, why are you implying that Apple is being actually malicious about it? Really? They are trolling us? Now that's ludicrous.
I admire the elegant engineering that went into the nMP (though I think the cylinder shape is silly and caused some weird compromises), just like I admired the engineering of the cMP. And I do think they are right about the direction of things. I'd greatly prefer that they go with two standard M.2 drives this time around, and would be angered if they did not. But I don't ever want to see another spinner, and Apple is never going to drop back to 2.5" sata drives. I would also prefer some sort of open-standard graphics - Apple has the power to drive that. But they are not going back to PCI graphics either, at least in that clunky long-slot format with additional power supply connectors, etc. Just got to move on. Again, that's not apologizing, that's facing reality.
It's also not apologizing to admit that Apple is just a company, not a magical unicorn of an institution that must never fail to satisfy our every highly-personal and varied whims.
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To play devil's advocate for a moment, I can see where Apple is coming from and what they're striving to produce. They'll keep shaving those fractions of an inch off the products and eventually we'll end up with something like the paper-thin folding tablets they have in Westworld.
Or if Apple doesn't do it, someone else will get there first. I can't say I particularly like it right now but the future won't happen if we insist that professionals absolutely must have a giant upgradable PC. That sort of power will most likely be offloaded to a server, the tech we own ourselves is inevitably going to be somewhat disposable.
My acceptance I think is the other flavour. I could buy it and have paid over the odds for Apple hardware for years, (compared to PCs). Why? The value they gave ME made the price worth it.
Since late ’13 I’ve been trying to convince myself that a nMP was the way to go. Now faced with paying £3449 for a, (dated), hexacore model I can afford but not justify the premium.
Can you post a source abou what you say of the nMP recognising TB screens as 10bit?
Definitely not what I experienced.
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THIS! I am personally NOT happy with the nMP but we must recognise trends, and where we are headed technology-wise.
My GTX980 works great, but yeah, not officially supported
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It is a fact, I believe you can bring up the anandtech review from a billion years ago.
Mine does too. But it is a hack and unsupported. Compare the cMP against the nMP with SUPPORTED hardware, and the nMP blows it away.
Yes, the < 1% that make half the content. Not that I'm disagreeing. I'd be anxious to see how many "pros" (of the variety that require real horsepower) have jumped ship already. I bet Apple knows and I bet they made their decision to put off the updates based on that.
What's also a thought: How many pros are really going to switch to Apple if they make a great product from Windows? What killer App or great advantage are they going to have? I'd argue with their neutering of FCPX, probably none?
Like I've said before: intuitively it makes sense for them to con't the Mac Pro--the same pros that use the good hardware often influence other purchases for higher dollar values. However, Apple knows better than all of us. They have telemetry data and probably know exactly how many sales they're missing out on and they can weigh that against the cost of adapting another card into the trash can. I think personally they've done that and found it isn't worth it.
Okay this is the second freaking time you've brought this up: Yes, SOME DAY this will be a thing with RAM, but GPUs are still not even 8GBps and hard drives/processors are doing just fine with their current level of connectivity (or going PCIe, which once again hasn't reached capacity).
This whole argument: GET USED TO SOLDERED STUFF BECAUSE THE RAM OF THE FUTURE WILL BE SOLDERED. Okay fine, have a cookie. Now what about, you know, all other components, as well as this years offerings.
In general I mostly agree, I think most users don't need upgradeable stuff, but the RAM thing is a strange argument for soldering all the things.
RAM may be soldered someday, but to say Apple was trying to warm people up to non-upgradeable parts in '13 (and that was the reason for the trash can) is nonsense to an insane degree.
The after-market video card market has never been higher. Apple made this decision in 2013 and while I wouldn't call the nMP a flop, I think they were expecting a lot more.
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That's an odd comparison, but fair enough. Soon enough the nMP itself will not be supported either though. Where will your arbitrary distinction go then ?
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