Apple's rate of innovation is just too damn slow...This is why I've said since the early days of the success of the iPhone they should have been on the look out to acquire other companies that make computers like Sony (when they still were) and HP and maybe even acquiring the Toughbook computer line from Panasonic. Having these companies branching OS 10 desktop environments into areas Apple generally isn't in would allow them to experiment take more risks and innovate faster while giving customers more choice.
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Can't innovate any more, my ass?
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Of course Apple is killing the Mac Pro! Someone in another thread on this subject posted a link to Apple's Mac web page and noted the absence of any Mac Pro image or reference. I found that page to be compelling evidence from Apple itself regarding their intentions for the Mac Pro. Here's the page:
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Scroll down to "Compare Mac Models". See the Mac Pro? Anywhere?
Now, scroll down to "Pro Apps". Note which model is running Final Cut Pro X. It's worth noting that many people think the nMP was designed around Final Cut Pro X, but here on Apple's very own Mac page, the product they want you to associate with FCPX is… the nrMBP.
The Mac Pro: ignored by Apple's own web site. That's all the evidence I need.
Everyone needs to start dealing with their grief and move on with their lives and work.
Here, maybe this will help: The 5 Stages of Grief.
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Scroll down to "Compare Mac Models". See the Mac Pro? Anywhere?
Now, scroll down to "Pro Apps". Note which model is running Final Cut Pro X. It's worth noting that many people think the nMP was designed around Final Cut Pro X, but here on Apple's very own Mac page, the product they want you to associate with FCPX is… the nrMBP.
The Mac Pro: ignored by Apple's own web site. That's all the evidence I need.
Everyone needs to start dealing with their grief and move on with their lives and work.
Here, maybe this will help: The 5 Stages of Grief.
According to an analyst who has tracked Apple, they want to be known as a services company:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...es-company-says-gene-munster-in-farewell-note
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...es-company-says-gene-munster-in-farewell-note
I hope that someone gave you a hug when you needed it.
(Seriously. I think that you are spot on in applying Kübler-Ross's research to the upcoming cancellation of the Mac Pro line. You've accepted the diagnosis of terminal Mac Pro illness, and have moved to acceptance before the actual funeral. Many here are stuck at stage 1, and might be there long after the funeral.)
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Unfortunately, at this point, that is probably the wisest thing. My 6 core acceptance arrives Monday.
Not sure if sarcastic.
I think they're probably abandoning the pro, but I think that because it's been > 1000 freaking days since they updated it in a consumer area where updates actually freaking matter.
Apple's had the nMP on the backburner of their marketing for at least 18 months though, yet it's still technically here. Personally I think they're dumping their massive inventory. I actually think it's more likely they'd somehow replace their top-end with something than update their Mac Pro (and I think both are unlikely).
That "something" could be them or a third party actually doing eGPUs that will work at TB3 speeds for their new Macbook Pro.
Someone called these the "final cut pro appliance" -- I think that's apt. I bet a radeon 480 or two eGPU'd into a Macbook pro from 2016 would actually be comparable to a Dual D700 at FCPX
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Thanks for the laugh - the Kübler-Ross stuff reminded me of losses I've had in the last half dozen years.
But you're wrong
. The ushers don't have to accept, but the pallbearers do. [doublepost=1481934926][/doublepost]
So instead of Phil's ass being innovative, it's taking a massive dump?
Too precious.
I still can't get passed the word "shill" in his last name.Thanks for the laugh - the Kübler-Ross stuff reminded me of losses I've had in the last half dozen years.
But you're wrong
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So instead of Phil's ass being innovative, it's taking a massive dump?
Too precious.
[doublepost=1481935335][/doublepost]On a slightly related note, I wonder if someone can dig up all the old posts praising the 6,1 pro and the flamewars we had back in '13.
Those were the days for us trolls, people actually had hope then, now there are only 1-2 holdouts on the whole forum.
This poll would've been inverted in 2013 (or at least 60/40 in favor of trash can), So many were full of hope!
Wow.. maybe.. not the first time he put his name on water!
Given half a chance, I'm sure Trump would brand the entire White House.
Here's someone we were debating from early '14 talking about how the workstations of the future would all have a "thermal core" design.
If I had more time on my hands (too much already, obviously), I'd dig up goMac's posts
Its not just the people on these forums that think apple has become lazy and falling behind.
Even marketing gurus that has worked with Apple feels the same way. Worth a read: http://kensegall.com/2016/12/apple-earning-the-wrath-of-steve/
Even marketing gurus that has worked with Apple feels the same way. Worth a read: http://kensegall.com/2016/12/apple-earning-the-wrath-of-steve/
The real problem is that a lot of us didn't buy the round nMP, because it was not a Mac Pro! So we are still waiting here with our 4,1 and 5,1. Maybe Apple got the wrong message?
So May 2017 is the new date to hope for a Mac Pro release again? I'll have built my own machine by then. What a pity.
I'm gonna take my 5,1 and sail away......far away.......
Yep. Loved me some Apple. Really love VR now. That is the crux of the problem.
It's not like they did not know it was coming.
But here we sit. 8 Months after the 2 main players (HTC-Oculus) have had their hardware in the hands of the faithful and there is still not ONE commercially available Apple Computer with enough horsepower to run even the most basic VR. My system was originally built as a Hackintosh. I just wanted more graphic Horsepower than Apple would give me.
(Settled on a 4790K-32GB of desktop ram, a one TB SSD, a Decent 27 inch 2560x1440 monitor, a really sweet GTX970 video card and even sprung for a Chinese modified airport card to settle any Bluetooth, iMessage, and handoff incompatibilities)
All this getting pretty much MacPro performance for less that I would have paid for a mid to high level iMac.
Things were great. Yeah. You had to be careful about updates and all, but it was the best and fastest Mac I had ever owned.
Then along came the Vive.
If you have one, played with one, and are IN to new experiences, well, it kind of blew me away and I was up for ANYTHING that would make that experience better.
Enter the GTX1080. Got it, thinking, not a prob. Nvidia is on top of their game and they roll out drivers like the sun rises and it should be no prob.
So now I'm kind of a Windows 10 user. Not by choice either. (I may add my 970 back and see if I can get things working with 2 different graphics cards.
Long story to remind everybody what impossible hoops Apple has put before us to remain loyal to the platform.
WHICH EVERYBODY HERE APPARENTLY WANTS TO DO.
They have the money, the resources, and every reason in the world to make this happen.
Too much investment for a "niche" group? Hell. I've lost track of how many billions in cash they are sitting on right now. The stuff is out there. They could price it competitively and STILL make a profit.
Other computer manufacturers do. And we KNOW the software WILL work on off the shelf parts.
What did we do?
How did we make Apple so angry as to NOT cater to the enthusiasts who stayed throughout the dark times?
I still remember being talked OUT of buying Apple stock at $18 a share back in 1998 or so as the perception was is that they were dead.
I've retired a lot of Macs that I have paid a pretty penny for. ($3500 for a brand spankin new Apple Powerbook 540c, plus an additional $900 for a massive 32MB Ram module.)
To quote Dr.Who, (David Tennant, that is) "I don't WANT to go"
Just give me a computer I want to buy.
Please.
I have the monies.
And while you are at it, quit redefining what a computer "is" and "is not".
It used to be a device that could do a lot of things very well. Games, Work, Entertainment, or whatever you needed it to be as long as somebody would write the software for it. And then we have ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTS that you can use to excel at any one of those things individually. There is room for both.
Just makes me sad.
End of rant.
WRC
It's not like they did not know it was coming.
But here we sit. 8 Months after the 2 main players (HTC-Oculus) have had their hardware in the hands of the faithful and there is still not ONE commercially available Apple Computer with enough horsepower to run even the most basic VR. My system was originally built as a Hackintosh. I just wanted more graphic Horsepower than Apple would give me.
(Settled on a 4790K-32GB of desktop ram, a one TB SSD, a Decent 27 inch 2560x1440 monitor, a really sweet GTX970 video card and even sprung for a Chinese modified airport card to settle any Bluetooth, iMessage, and handoff incompatibilities)
All this getting pretty much MacPro performance for less that I would have paid for a mid to high level iMac.
Things were great. Yeah. You had to be careful about updates and all, but it was the best and fastest Mac I had ever owned.
Then along came the Vive.
If you have one, played with one, and are IN to new experiences, well, it kind of blew me away and I was up for ANYTHING that would make that experience better.
Enter the GTX1080. Got it, thinking, not a prob. Nvidia is on top of their game and they roll out drivers like the sun rises and it should be no prob.
So now I'm kind of a Windows 10 user. Not by choice either. (I may add my 970 back and see if I can get things working with 2 different graphics cards.
Long story to remind everybody what impossible hoops Apple has put before us to remain loyal to the platform.
WHICH EVERYBODY HERE APPARENTLY WANTS TO DO.
They have the money, the resources, and every reason in the world to make this happen.
Too much investment for a "niche" group? Hell. I've lost track of how many billions in cash they are sitting on right now. The stuff is out there. They could price it competitively and STILL make a profit.
Other computer manufacturers do. And we KNOW the software WILL work on off the shelf parts.
What did we do?
How did we make Apple so angry as to NOT cater to the enthusiasts who stayed throughout the dark times?
I still remember being talked OUT of buying Apple stock at $18 a share back in 1998 or so as the perception was is that they were dead.
I've retired a lot of Macs that I have paid a pretty penny for. ($3500 for a brand spankin new Apple Powerbook 540c, plus an additional $900 for a massive 32MB Ram module.)
To quote Dr.Who, (David Tennant, that is) "I don't WANT to go"
Just give me a computer I want to buy.
Please.
I have the monies.
And while you are at it, quit redefining what a computer "is" and "is not".
It used to be a device that could do a lot of things very well. Games, Work, Entertainment, or whatever you needed it to be as long as somebody would write the software for it. And then we have ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTS that you can use to excel at any one of those things individually. There is room for both.
Just makes me sad.
End of rant.
WRC
Interesting, but probably appropriate, application of Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross' seminal work ( i.e. "On Death and Dying" ). Thanks for sharing.
Now new Apple computer available, but old ones are capable: I'm using an Oculus Rift with a Mac Pro 4,1 with W3690 and GTX Titan X (Windows 10).
What a lame attempt at misdirection and FUD. The directive to "Scroll down" is primarily to throw people off the track and into arm flapping BS zone. Open the page and stop.
See the Mac Pro? Unless completely blind? Yes.
Want to compare some Macs? Again Unless completely blind? Yes can do that right away.
No need to scroll anywhere into arm flapping BS zone. There actually is a compare page with highly relevant info on it.... as opposed to a misdirect to a picture that isn't even the link to the compare page.
The compare page is probably primarily ordered in the "most frequently bought" order ( except for perhaps the MacBook at the lead. Classically it would go first as lowest priced but also was "newest" Mac this year for vast majority of the year. )
The notion that picture near the second compare link is some proxy for Apple core strategic direction philosophy and not primarily selected for colorful graphical design purposes is comical. The MBP section. The colors on the screen and touch bar set against the snow white backdrop are presentation choice. Not a proxy for a product selection. Yes skewed at the touch bar .... which is something new ( Apple hasn't had much new this year so at the top and focused. ). The MacBook. Muted Space Gray pictured? Nope. Rose Gold yes? Selection driver? Color. iMac. that image on the iMac screen an secondary accident? not even close.
Finally the "compare" picture. Color again is a focus here. Note that each display is showing the same thing. Do the Mini and MP have integrated displays? No. So could they directly contribute to showing the same image? No. [ One of the primary theme of the image is "same" rather than "difference". The only difference is size of same image. ] So do they get dropped from the picture? Yes. Are they missing from the actual compare page (which this image isn't primarily about... ) ? No.
Rigidly promoting the notion that Final Cut Pro can only run on the Mac Pro is moronic in terms of product management. FCPX has to be viable on a number of Macs in order to survive. Some workloads will be restricted to the Mac Pro, but the software has to have utility on other Macs to be viable over the long term.
If bother to check most of the "learn More" links for those Pro apps you'll see that a common reoccuring theme is those apps integration with the Touch Bar. Again Apple's marketing pages targeting selling what is new as opposed to in rip van winkle mode. Well duh, what else are they going to do right now?
There is no long term strategic product line up product plan being laid out in public here. Apple has something new and they are targeting it in their marketing web pages. Shocker. If interested in a Mac Pro and go to its pages you'll find lengthy FCPX blur there in performance. The MP performance in this one niche area doesn't inherently define the whole Mac line up.
the MBP does have utility when used with FCPX. FCPX can be leveraged outside of post-production house for quick field edits to see if stuff just shot approximately feels right. Don't need to do gross manipulation, but just look at what have.
All evidence you need to invent (the very same page you present the Mac Pro is right there when you land on it). The reality is quite different.
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On an unrelated note: do you think there will ever be another iteration of the Mac Pro?
I don't know what "FUD" means but from the rest of your post, I'm guessing you're still in the Anger Stage:
I'm sorry for your loss.
Thanks. All my adult life, I've played a mental game of making up alternative meanings to acronyms, with the result being that I am completely befuddled and can never remember the actual meanings.
