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Class Action Lawsuit over Apple MB and MBP Displays?

babyjenniferLB said:
for a 2 grand laptop i want a perfict display and case and current technology, apple mite move a little with someone sueing them for the display issues.
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Not fast enough for some people's request. Some people are just way to unrealistic with Apple's road map. Santa Rosa won't be in an Apple laptop on the consumer end until it offers an actual noticeable speed bump. The only Mac that needs an update now is the MacMini, which is way behind.

For what I pay for the Apple computers, I do want what you want as well, but just as important I want software that won't jeaopardise my hardware, and no other computer maker gives me that once they put Windows on their machines.
 
I notice a little dithering on my MacBook display, but it's only noticeable when I view it from outside the regular viewing angle. It's even not remotely close to being annoying enough to make it worth complaining about.
 
unigolyn said:
Uh, how do you think CRTs work? They show you a green, red, and blue dot each of which has 256 possible states of brightness, which are then interpreted by the human eye as colors. The fact that there are 16.7 million possible states for each three-dot pixel to be doesn't actually mean there are 16.7 million colors. That would require that every pixel be capable of emitting light in 16.7 million different wavelengths, not combinations of three particular wavelengths.

Any color not red, green, or blue perceived from a CRT pixel is an optical illusion to begin with. Dithering is simply using several pixels to create the illusion. Like gnasher said, two 6-bit RGB pixels can, using dithering, mathematically produce over two million colors. Therefore, Apple's (or any LCD manufacturer's) claim of "millions" of colors is just as valid as a CRT manufacturers claim of 16.7 million colors. According to the real-world physical definition of color, meaning light wavelength, both are really only capable of THREE colors.

This law suit should be thrown out of court.
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Do you know how LCDs work? Your example is only true for CRTs.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Not fast enough for some people's request. Some people are just way to unrealistic with Apple's road map. Santa Rosa won't be in an Apple laptop on the consumer end until it offers an actual noticeable speed bump. The only Mac that needs an update now is the MacMini, which is way behind.

For what I pay for the Apple computers, I do want what you want as well, but just as important I want software that won't jeaopardise my hardware, and no other computer maker gives me that once they put Windows on their machines.
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You said the key word no consumer laptop. i dont want a consumer laptop i want a 17 inch macbook pro but imagine thats 28 months of my savings i have for it i want it to be perfect, no bendy case, no grany display, i understand if a hard drive fails that happens but a granny display is unacceptable as is a low end graphics card, SR is unimportant as long as the graphics card it upgraded to something current.
 
iomar said:
I love my MacBook Pro!
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This doesnt change the fact that people are spending serious money fo them and getting crap quality screens which is a very important component in the laptop...I mean the screen is something that your focused on 100% of the time on a laptop. Shoulding the screens be top of the line on a top of the line product with a Pretty steep price tag.
 
Did you guys read page 4 of the pdf? It said something about getting better colors when using Windows than when using OS X. Crazy I say, crazy!!

Edit: And again on page 10. Can a boot camper verify?
 
OMG. I had the same experience with a 23 inch cinema display. The thing OBVIOUSLY had uneven color from one corner to the opposite corner. I explained to the Apple peeps at the Genius Bar that Apple expressly advertised "consistent color". Then they chastised me and tried to tell me they weren't going to allow me to return the monitor.

Then I told them I'd sue the stor, and they took it back. ;)
 
MoparShaha said:
All I have to say is, if it's come to a class action lawsuit over this issue, I hope the naysayers finally realize we're not all crazy or overly picky.
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Not discounting your problem (I'm personally ok with my screen, but that's just me), but the fact that a class action suit has been filed doesn't really prove anything. They are very profitable to the law firms. I received a letter about a class action settlement against Valvoline Instant Oil Change, and I could have received a 5 dollar coupon, whilst the firm got something like 3 or 4 million dollars.
 
Abstract said:
And whatever happened to getting a refund? Don't like the product? Return it and get something else. But no, lets keep the product and see how much we can get in compensation.
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That would be absolutely wonderful. I would gladly except a refund for my MacBook
...if Apple would only offer to give me one. :rolleyes:
Eidorian said:
I've seen flickering but not grainy.
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That's my biggest problem.
 
One of the plaintiffs was clearly so upset about the quality of his first MacBook display that he still bought a MacBook Pro 5 months later. Not maybe the most logical move if you think Apple's laptop displays are unacceptably bad, eh?

I also love the use of a load of anonymous, unattributable forum posts as evidence in the submission, as well as the allegation that the plaintiffs have "paid more for their computers than the computers were worth", like they were marched into the Apple Store at gunpoint and forced to buy. I'd imagine Apple's lawyers are laughing their asses off even as we speak.
 
seems like my old Dell 5100 screen was more evenly lit than my MBP... always wondered about that

on the flip side:
class action lawsuit + corporation with deep pockets = lawyers with millions in their bank accounts

yay America!
 
iW00t said:
We are Mac users, we are not even supposed to know what Santa Rosa or even "Intel" is prior to the Intel switch over. Now we are suppose to know that screen LCX93948288492938 is a 6 bit panel?

Get bent. Seriously.
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:rolleyes: I wasn't talking about the average Mac user, I was talking about those who specifically require 8-bit panels. All I'm saying is that if you're particular about a certain spec, you should do the research to clarify any ambiguous manufacturer specs before you buy. The info is readily available. But I wasn't excusing the manufacturer from being intentionally ambiguous.
 
I find this thread hilarious.
Is anyone else laughing at this?
People will complain about anything and everything these days.
For God's sake, stop your damned whining!
 
LordTurtle said:
(1) "Millions of colors" on their website means 6-bit not 8-bit ... pros are very annoyed that the dithering occurs and affects them working in their graphics programs
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TFTs everywhere have 6-bit display...8-bit display is getting harder to find. It's all because of customers wanting to buy 'cheaper' or 'faster' displays...display manufacturers had no choice but to go even lower. It's the market that plays over technology.
 
/dev/toaster said:
Oh give me a break. The display is very damn good. They are just being picky and trying to get something for free.
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I understand your reaction but you are wrong in this instance I believe.

"They" are people who have spent large sums of money on a product that does not do what it's supposed to do.
Picky?
Yes I'm picky when my livelyhood depends on the tools I am using and I have paid for the very best.
If Apple had advetised the 6-bit nature of the displays and the graininess and uneven lighting did not affect so many machines then fair enough.
But this is simply not the fact.
I am on my 5th MBP and I still need to tilt the screen as I move my eyes down it to get even lighting and I am forced to add a second true 8-bit monitor to work on color critical projects. All this for $3000!!!

And just because the rest of the industry does the same is no excuse at all.

I am sure that for most users the screens are perfectly adequate but these machines (MBP) are produced for professional use and as such should meet a higher standard...no?
 
They don't have a case.

We all want the best displays possible, and the vast majority of people are already satisfied. Nothing Apple has said is untrue; the displays literally display millions of colours, quality, or lack thereof is a matter of perception.

They can hardly be expected to say: "our displays are grainy and the anti-glare coating reduces quality further".

Apple should be praised for being at the leading edge of display technology, and pushing harder than anyone else for improvement. If people are that upset by the displays they can buy something else- it's about the only benefit of capitalism!
 
I kinda have to agree with the display of "capable millions of colors" on the ad can be misleading...Sure you can plug it into a true 8bit external monitor, but for a laptop one (especially those not really knowledgeable of computers) would expect it to be referring to the built in LCD.

But hopefully this will get them to reconsider their source of their LCDs. I would like a less grainier one.
 
iW00t said:
Do you know how LCDs work? Your example is only true for CRTs.
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Do _you_ know how LCDs work?

Every pixel consists of three subpixels, each in one color only. That is what Apple and Microsoft use to write black and white text at sub pixel resolution: Instead of turning on red, green and blue in one pixel, they can turn on green and blue in one pixel, then red in the next pixel, and it looks as if there was a black pixel one third of a pixel further to the right.

You can easily verify this: Just turn magnification on (control and drag the mouse wheel) and look how black pixels turn colored.
 
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