Class Action Lawsuit over Apple MB and MBP Displays?

[Mydel]

Oh give me a break. The display is very damn good. They are just being picky and trying to get something for free.

I completly do not agree with you.
1. Those displays are not all that great, but you should see what you buying before spending 2000+. Another story is that quality varies a lot in between the models and that also schould NOT happen
2. BUT Apple should be fair and do not suggest consumers that these screens are 8 bit. And they should be punisch for that

 

[Rend It]

Displays OK with Windows?

Has anyone other than a few people actually read the pdf of the lawsuit? To me, it sounds like a firmware or OS problem. People who have used Windows XP on their MBs or MBPs, either through Boot Camp or Parallels, have reported that the display issues go away.

As a slight aside, I have a C2D MB and my only complaints are the glossy screen (I'd prefer a matte option) and that the standard color calibration is washed out. But, after calibrating the color I have no complaints.

Yet, the people that have the biggest gripes are those with MBPs, which have dedicated graphics. I'd say that's where the problem lies.

Just my $0.02

 

[g7by08believeit]

2. BUT Apple should be fair and do not suggest consumers that these screens are 8 bit. And they should be punisch for that

I just read over the spec page on www.apple.com for the MBP and MB displays.

Can you give me a link to where they say they are 8-bit?
Thanks.

 

[timmillwood]

so does this mean we are all gonna get nice new shiny Macbook Pros for free?

 

[Gogf]

I've been treated rather badly by an Apple "genius" before, too.

 

[daveL]

How do you even figure out what panel your machine has? I have a 17" MBP. The System Profile says the display is a 1680x1050 LCD with 32 bit color. The 23" Apple LCD on my G5 PM has the same specs and looks the same to me, other than the lack of the "glossy" finish I have on the laptop. Anyway, how can you figure out what panel you have?

 

[Chromako]

Lawsuits... bleh. That's not the way to do anything. But at the same time, I'm upset at the 6-bit issue. I'm a photographer and I want 8 bits. Way not cool, Apple. Boo.

 

[Diatribe]

Before we discuss that any further, someone show me where Apple advertises any laptop with showing a real 16.7 million colors. I can't see that anywhere.

 

[bokdol]

ok i went to the apple site and it only says there is support for millions of colors not displays millions of colors....

"15.4-inch (diagonal) TFT display, support for millions of colors; optional glossy widescreen display"

so while i agree that you should have better parts for expensive laptops apple is not lying in what they say about the screen.

 

[livingfortoday]

Before we discuss that any further, someone show me where Apple advertises any laptop with showing a real 16.7 million colors. I can't see that anywhere.

The closest I've found is "...both at millions of colors" when talking about the MacBook display and output.

My view: This lawsuit is total BS. We're too lawyer-happy around here.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Good! I've never complained because the screen is.. adaquite, but except for the freakin brightness (which is too bright and a problem IMO) it's no better then the samsung screen I had in my old laptop (built circa 2003) or only slightly better then the dell laptop screen I had before that (built circa 1999).

I think the problem is how the pixels face. In my old comp you could open the lid to all sorts of angles and as long as you looked at it face on, it was fine. Look at it from the sides, and you saw problems. The Macbook Pro, on the other hand, is the opposite. Look at it straight on, and if the lid isn't at the perfect angle you're screwed, but look at it from the side and it's fine.

If this goes through, count me in as a $2000 designed for artsy people shouldn't have a screen that's just as lousy as a $1300 laptop made in 2003 and designed for the business person.

 

[waxwings]

Gnasher

So far the only guy who seems to grasp the relevant issue here is gnasher.

 

[oldwatery]

I'm enjoying the entertainment too much.

Well that's OK then...
I wish I could be on the outside of it though......

 

[Winterfell]

Maybe I'm just blind, but I've been pretty happy with all of my LCD screens on my computer, and very happy with my MBP screen.

 

[Hattig]

The point that people are forgetting is that any other laptop is going to have the same issue.

It's not like there is a source of low-power 8-bit laptop LCDs out there.

I can just imagine video professionals moaning that their 8-bit display smears their 60fps video - because 8-bit panels are slower.

With temporaral / dynamic dithering, you can easily recreate the missing bit depth in a 6-bit TN display and thus meet Apples 'millions of colours' claim. If you are looking at a laptop screen, or budget PC LCD, then you are looking at a dithered display. Does it look grainy and flickery? No. Grey gradients still look pretty good - not quite as good as an 8-bit panel, but hey, it's in a laptop.

The issue is somewhere else - most likely the Intel G950 integrated graphics drivers.

 

[EricNau]

Apple should be praised for being at the leading edge of display technology...

...And what are you basing this on?

 

[jesteraver]

^^^Exactly.

It's ridiculous, especially the bit about the LCD not being able to display 16 million colours.

False advertisement. Pretty much all manufactures should be sued into the ground.

 

[g7by08believeit]

False advertisement. Pretty much all manufactures should be sued into the ground.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide a link to me where it says that it's 8-bit or that it actually displays that many colors.

I must be bad at surfing the web.

 

[Zwhaler]

Does this mean I should wait to buy a MacBook?

 

[iMikeT]

I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, as a working photographer myself, I expect a high level of quality with the displays that I get. The display on my current notebook (luckily) runs just fine, after its "warm-up" period.

On the other hand there are those who are never satisfied with their purchases. The moment they find some very minor defect, they cry all the way back home...

Then again, the display on my girlfriend's MacBook does have a few minor defects that I would like to see Apple fix. For example, I have found that the display is not illuminated evenly.

However this turns out, I hope that Apple will have even higher standards of quality in their products and that customers stop whining about the minor defects they find.

 

[scrambledwonder]

Screens

I think a lot of problems many manufacturers have had recently with screens has to do with sub-standard labor practices and QA/QC in Chinese factories. This, however, is a huge problem that involves the Chinese government, Chinese and American culture, corporate culture, shareholder pressure and runaway economic and population growth. A lawsuit isn't going to solve these problems.

 

[cooknwitha]

The old'c cliche of sue-happy Americans proves itself once again.

There really are greater things to worry about these days......

 

[djgamble]

What the **** are they talking about?

I invite anyone to come take a look at my MBP's display, it's a beautiful screen with rich colours. Really displays can only display 3 colours, the technical word 'supports' has Apple and every other supplier of LCD's covered.

There's no graininess... I know this, I've been editing RAW photo's on my MBP, I can show you what graininess is if you like...

 

[synth3tik]

The only "graininess" I have on my MBP is from the SEM image I am using as a desktop. If the displays are the same, then people should focus on the other issue that could cause it. (User settings?)

 

[Xtremehkr]

I've had rather poor experiences with the Genius bar employees lately. They seem to be more interested in selling new products rather than fixing existing problems. Do not like.