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Is MS going to become a strong competitor to Apple?


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SlCKB0Y

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Yeah I'm not talking about the server market or the post-desktop market. Sorry, I forgot it's 2015 and people consider an iPad to be a laptop replacement (what a joke).

Not really, an operating system is an operating system regardless of whether it is powering your laptop or your toaster or your car stereo.

Look, there's way more consumer laptops and desktops with Windows on than OSX. That's what I meant.

And that's fine, but next time maybe just clarify your statement by saying something like "and please note that I'm ignoring the other half dozen categories of computers which aren't laptops or desktops because I either don't like them, or they don't fit within my argument"
 

hojx

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Of course, you are free to use Windows XP as long as your hardware support it is still working properly.

The point was that the latest version of Windows starts to force updates on you, which means it will probably be this way from now on.
OS X provides an easy upgrade path without forcing updates on you.


But I believe what windows does, Mac OS X will eventually do, sooner or later.

Mac OS X doesn't force you to update, simply because mac OS X adoption rate is not so bad. If it takes more than half a year to adopt new version of the OS, I bet apple will force system update just like windows does.

What is the logic here? Since Windows is doing this, OS X will do this too, really?

The cause-and-effect statement about adoption rate here is flawed. You shouldn't force updates to increase adoption because if people get frustrated they can switch to alternatives, i.e. OS X. You should make your OS appealing encough for people to want/need to upgrade, not because they have no choice but to.
 

definitive

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I meant in terms of quality and finished product.
My bad - I should have been clearer with this.

since you put it that way, then i'll give my personal opinion: from what i've read and the beta versions of windows 10 that i've tested, it seems to handle system resources better than windows 7 (i never bothered with 8). other than that i don't really have much to compare it to in terms of security and stability since i've not tried the final product. the biggest letdown for me, when testing windows 10, was its bloated-looking interface (the huge start menu is painful to look at). microsoft keeps trying to push the tablet interface on to its desktop users, and it looks like such a mess. this is where i'm glad that osx hasn't gone through too many radical changes over the past five or so years. i'm not saying that i don't want some updates to osx's gui, but i am fine with the way it looks now, and i prefer the simplicity over windows 10's complexity.
 
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Taz Mangus

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Sorry, I forgot it's 2015 and people consider an iPad to be a laptop replacement (what a joke).

And for some people the iPad is a replacement for a laptop. Not everyone's use case is the same as yours. What I find funny is how you are generalizing based on your needs. But thanks for sharing though.
 

Shirasaki

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The point was that the latest version of Windows starts to force updates on you, which means it will probably be this way from now on.
OS X provides an easy upgrade path without forcing updates on you.




What is the logic here? Since Windows is doing this, OS X will do this too, really?

The cause-and-effect statement about adoption rate here is flawed. You shouldn't force updates to increase adoption because if people get frustrated they can switch to alternatives, i.e. OS X. You should make your OS appealing encough for people to want/need to upgrade, not because they have no choice but to.
Yes. Next version of windows will force you to update, if you use home version. I don't think enterprise version would be the same fate as home version.

I can see many mac OS X old users still stick to mavericks or even some version older than that. And you know many users capable of upgrading to Yosemite still don't want to upgrade. Currently apple doesn't force users to upgrade. But I don't want to hold my breath.
 

Traverse

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Well, I don't think it's appropriate to ask whether Windows will "be" a strong competitor. It already is and already dominates the market and that will never change.

As for me personally, like @SG- said, there are so many smaller details that keep me firmly in OS X

  • Font rendering and soothing is MUCH better in OS X. This makes a huge difference over time and I hate looking at text in Windows.
  • Scrolling is much smoother in OS X. Even with touch-enabled mouses, scrolling in Windows is often jerky as if I was using those old clicky scroll wheels.
  • I can scroll in a window without it being in the forefront
  • I can close a window without bringing to the front, in Windows I have to click once to bring the app to the front and click again to close it.
  • Closing an app window does NOT quit the app on OS X for some apps like Mail.
  • Virtual desktops! This was huge, but Windows 10 fixes this.
  • Fluid workflows like fullscreen apps and swiping between desktops and using mission control.
  • Better drag and drop support across the system. Dragging files onto app icons, dragging text between applications, etc.
  • I prefer Finder's UI and tagging system, though it could learn a lot from the Windows Explorer
  • Less system maintenance in general and greater security. (I always have Windows updates that fail to install, and OS X includes several good security features such as File Vault and gatekeeper. Also OS X's permissions systems is better and more secure in my opinion.)

I also prefer OS X's design philosophy better. For example, I prefer having a centralized menubar at the top vs a menubar in each app.

All these things combined make OS X fit me better and create a good "flow" for me. I am by not means 100% satisfied with OS X or Apple, but I find the alternatives more annoying than the issues I have with OS X.

One major detail that keeps me on OS X is that it has amazing application support. Applications like Scrivener (it has a Windows app, but originated on OS X), Ulysses, Pixemator, and others are amazing and are simply absent on Windows. There are some great Windows application, but I often find higher quality ones for OS X.


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All that said, Windows is a fine OS, especially W10. There are still several things I wish OS X would implement. Both OSes are improving thought. Windows is getting multiple desktops, OS X is getting better window management, etc.
 

KALLT

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One major detail that keeps me on OS X is that it has amazing application support. Applications like Scrivener (it has a Windows app, but originated on OS X), Ulysses, Pixemator, and others are amazing and are simply absent on Windows. There are some great Windows application, but I often find higher quality ones for OS X.

And Papers, 1Password, Sketch, Coda, Transmission. These apps are all fantastic. Preview is still a smoother and more powerful PDF and image viewer and the Mail app is much better than the Windows counterpart. This is the stuff that prevents me from switching to Linux as well, the situation is even worse there.
 
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Shirasaki

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And Papers, 1Password, Sketch, Coda, Transmission. These apps are all fantastic. Preview is still a smoother and more powerful PDF and image viewer and the Mail app is much better than the Windows counterpart. This is the stuff that prevents me from switching to Linux as well, the situation is even worse there.
Linux will surely take much longer time to finish their work, than mac OS X.
 

TrenttonY

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I just tried Windows 10 on a cheap 500 all-in-one that has been running Windows 7 since I got it in 2012, and all I can say is wow! Amazing enough, it runs Windows 10 better than 7! Everything is quite smooth. But on the topic of Windows 10 vs. OSX10.11, 10.11 is far more stable and mature looking, but Windows 10 is fresh and fun.
 

/V\acpower

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Not really, an operating system is an operating system regardless of whether it is powering your laptop or your toaster or your car stereo.



And that's fine, but next time maybe just clarify your statement by saying something like "and please note that I'm ignoring the other half dozen categories of computers which aren't laptops or desktops because I either don't like them, or they don't fit within my argument"


Sorry but you are wrong. The context of the discussion is clearly about PCs from the beginning.

It's obvious to anyone who is reading the thread in good faith.

Especially since the title already mention "Microsoft vs Apple". Apple is so "not a player" in any of the market you are referring to that it's just stupid to argue otherwise, and also since we are in the section about the desktop operating system "El Capitan"
 
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I've been using the Windows 10 Technical Preview since it was released in October and I like it very much. It's far better than it's predecessor, Windows 8.

I use OS X at home, run Windows in a VM at home and at work I am a systems administrator over an entire Windows domain and network.

I like both Windows 10 and El Capitan and easily switch between both each day. Both have their strong points and weak points, but overall I find both to be high quality operating systems.
 
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SarcasticJoe

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When I first read about the changes and improvements in Windows 10 I thought it was going to be another one of those versions that doesn't take as many steps backwards as it takes forward (like Vista and 8 did). Built in virtual desktops, giving the abomination known as "Metro" or "Modern UI" the backseat, DirectX12 and giving it out for free to wash out the bad taste in peoples' mouths after 8.

However I then read about the "Privacy Policy" and "Service Statement" that gives Microsoft free reign to do a number of things that you tend to call "Data Mining" when malware does it. Just the Siri copy known as Cortona collects data like your device location, what apps you use, your call logs, your contacts, who you send SMS messages to, your browser history, your search history, your calendar entries, your alarm settings and even what music you listen to before it sends it all back to Microsoft.

I thought Microsoft collecting data on people's local searches and storing it for advertising purposes in Windows 8.1 was bad, but this makes it look like small potatoes.

When Windows 8 came out and was clearly built for tablets first I got the feeling Microsoft saw the iPad selling like hotcakes and decided that they wanted in on the tablet market, so they built Windows 8 into an OS that was supposed to steamroll the tablet market by being able to run Windows desktop applications natively. We all know how well that ended and it now feels like they decided that they're going to take aim at another very successful company. What company do you ask? Well that would be Google.

With Android Google's business model has always been data collection and using that data for targeted advertising. The data collected has been eerily similar to what Microsoft is now collecting in Windows 10 and combined with 10 being a free upgrade for the first year I get the feeling that Microsoft is trying to move Windows onto the same business model that Google has been using with Android.
 
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SlCKB0Y

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Sorry but you are wrong. The context of the discussion is clearly about PCs from the beginning.

It's obvious to anyone who is reading the thread in good faith.

That's pretty amusing. You accuse me of not considering context and then you fail to notice my replies all stem back to someone making the extraordinarily broad claim that "Windows is the king of operating systems".

Anyways, i'm already bored of discussing this with you.
 

Hastings101

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Windows 10 is probably the best OS I have ever used from Microsoft. The UI and performance are spot on, much better than Windows 8/8.1. There are still some bugs that need worked out though I think, I've encountered weird issues like right clicking on the Desktop freezing Windows Explorer. Haven't used Cortana, I never find voice controls useful on computers.

Ignoring Yosemite because it's always sucked for me. El Capitan is probably the best OS from Apple since Mountain Lion. It fixes the mess that was Yosemite and makes OS X stable and quick again, but Apple's neutered a lot of apps (poor, poor disk utility) and I find iCloud features to still be very buggy (can't sign into iCloud Keychain no matter what as it never gets verified, 2-step verification is never sent to my phone number, etc).

Overall I think they're pretty much equals. Definitely not the Vista days, Windows is easily just as good as OS X, if not better. All comes down to user preference really though, and I just like the look and features of OS X more than I do Windows 10.
 

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I like Windows 10 a lot actually. I'm still very much an OS X person, as there are tonnes of little things I love on OS X,but that does not mean I can't appreciate Microsoft for truly trying to create something that will please its customers, in interesting new ways.

I have Windows 10 on a pretty dodgy 2008 PC laptop, and performance is better than most current HD based Macs (Mac Mini and iMac I'm looking at you).
 

leman

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The result of the comparison will depend on your choice of criteria, so I wouldn't even try to make an objective judgement. For me, Windows is borderline unusable as a platform for doing work. Some features of OS X that are vital for me:
  • Unix
  • Excellent font management and handling of Hi-DPI content
  • System-wide plugins and scriptability
  • Unix
  • Launchd
  • Quick Look
  • Excellent set of standard applications and tight integration between the apps
  • Did I mention Unix?
That said, I would certainly recommend Windows over OS X for a professional user who mainly works with a single software suite, e.g. Office or Photoshop. These application suites are usually better optimised and more stable on the Windows platform. And of course, games. Now, when it comes to my students, I usually wound't even provide any support if they use Windows on their laptops. Only Linux and Mac. They don't pay me enough for teaching so that I would bother dealign with that mess :D

P.S. Yeah, I had Windows 10 tech preview installed in a VM. Didn't impress me a bit.
 

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Recently I have had the occasion to play around with a Windows PC - something I haven't been using for many years.

The laptop had Windows 10 running on it.
Now, I haven't had much time to play and dig deeper, but I feel that MS has grown a lot in terms of how they build their latest OS.

I have been using El Capitan since the beginning of the DP launch and I am also impressed with the performance improvements along with the small newly added features.

Anyway, at this point I have the choice to add another laptop to my business and I can honestly say I will give Windows 10 a shot and the PC market.
It is solely for business purpose - Office, Web Browsing - no hardcore gaming or other GPU taks.

Share your thoughts regarding the experience with Windows if you have any.
Leave hate aside, and be as straight as possible to how do you see Windows at this point. Do you see them as a solid rising competition for Apple at this point?

I use Mac, Windows & Linux every day and all day. Most pros and cons listed are invalid. The OS is one thing but the real issues for all three OS are the applications. If you don't depend on a specific OS for your applications, it doesn't really matter which one you pick.

On Mac I do use Pages & Numbers a lot but they are useless when you need more, Office is probably inevitable for most business. I really enjoy creative Apps (music, image editing) on the Mac. On the Mac everything is pretty and if you stick to the Mac store, it's often a problem free environment.

On PC, there is an app store but many people ends up installing app from anywhere on the Internet and when they do, that will bring a share of problems. If you take apps from the internet, you have to update them manually. It's also true for the Mac but I have an apps ratio of 95%(mac app store)-5%(internet) and 0%( Windows App store)-100%(internet) on Windows. If you use MSOffice, it will get auto-updated on both platform, so this is not really an issue.

Windows is full of keyboard shortcuts, it's easier to get more productive when you have both hands on the keyboard.

It's also easier to get officially supported on Windows.

Windows or Mac, try to get a hi-dpi display, it's a must have.

:)
 

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However I then read about the "Privacy Policy" and "Service Statement" that gives Microsoft free reign to do a number of things that you tend to call "Data Mining" when malware does it.

Yeah. I just read that! Scared the C.AP out of me.


Windows or Mac, try to get a hi-dpi display, it's a must have.
Totally agree! :)
 
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Yeah. I just read that! Scared the C.AP out of me.
\Totally agree! :)

- knowing that if you use EDGE, browsing info will be sent to Microsoft even if you don't use bing
- To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device. Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.
- if you use a Microsoft account, all personal information (web history, wifi passwords, wifi hotspots and more) will be synchronize with their servers.Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the company’s servers.
- if you enable bitlocker for encryption, the private key will be stored on OneDrive, so they can have access to your encrypted data.
- We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
-The updated terms also state that Microsoft will collect information “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you connect to.'”

If you care about privacy, install Windows 3.1 or DOS!!

I know that some settings can be turned off, but it's hard for them to do so. The system enforce an anal probe by default.

:)
 
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baryon

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I have installed Windows 10 on my MacBook Pro and to do that I first had to install it on another PC which failed twice, so I recently had to spend a lot of time working with the depths of Windows 10. Oh and did it bring back good old memories! Windows has not changed one bit at its core.

No internet connection? You'll have to download a network driver. Wait, no internet connection right? Can't download driver. No problem, common sense, right? Download it on another computer, then use a USB stick to put it on the Windows 10 PC, simple yes? Oh wait, the Windows 10 PC doesn't even have a driver for a generic USB stick. How will I install anything on it without an internet connection if it can't read anything at all without a specific driver? Well, there was a way, it was just really, really, really complicated (required formatting a 500 GB hard drive to FAT 32 and mounting it as an internal drive somehow on a laptop (don't ask me how I did that) and using that just to transfer a 700 KB driver). It took 3 days. To transfer 700 KB of data from one computer to the other. Yep.

I spent days and days just doing ridiculous, frustrating things just to get basic things to work. "Oh to do that, you need that. To have that, you need to do that. But you can't do that because first you need that other thing. Which you can't do without that first thing you also don't have." It reminded me of the good old days of installing Windows 98 where absolutely nothing and I mean n-o-t-h-i-n-g is anywhere near as simple as it sounds. Behind every problem there are 10 totally unexpected problems. Then behind each of those 10, there are 10 more, and so on, until you throw your computer out the window (which is why it's called Windows, as it turns out).

I'm surprised by how Windows has managed to change nothing at its core for decades while only ever changing on the surface. The device manager, control panel (try finding anything in there), registry (like, really, open the registry and just look at it if you want a headache), administrative tools (why are all the important things hidden away in there??), computer management (have you tried formatting and partitioning a hard drive on Windows? Have fun! Now go try Disk Utility and see what I mean), network tools, all that crap, it's just so old, so convoluted, so impossible to use without deep, educated, specific knowledge of exactly what to do, Jesus Christ, give me a break!

On the other hand, OS X also has convoluted things but it is actually phasing those out. For example, you had "repair permissions" which is probably one of the stupidest thing ever - if it's broken and the OS can detect the problem and fix it all by itself, then why did it let it become broken in the first place? - but Apple has now gotten rid of that because it makes sense! Also, on OS X, plug in any printer, scanner, USB stick, hard drive, almost anything, especially "basic" things that you may need in an emergency, and it just works! You don't have to install a separate driver for every single different USB stick for every single USB port on your computer, because unless you're Microsoft, you know that's stupid! At the very worst it just pops up a message about whether you want to download and install the driver, and you click "Yes" and wait, then it works. One click, that's it. There is no wizard, no questions, no error messages, no problems. This is even true for devices that are not even officially Mac-compatible. With Windows, even in 2015, these often just don't work at all until you go to the manufacturer's web site, find the exact model of exactly what you own, tell them your OS version, download the package, extract it, install it, etc...

I really thought by this time Windows had now matured enough to be as out-of-your-way as OS X when it comes to the more basic things, but it's not.
 
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leman

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I'm surprised by how Windows has managed to change nothing at its core for decades while only ever changing on the surface. The device manager, control panel (try finding anything in there), registry (like, really, open the registry and just look at it if you want a headache), administrative tools (why are all the important things hidden away in there??), computer management (have you tried formatting and partitioning a hard drive on Windows? Have fun! Now go try Disk Utility and see what I mean), network tools, all that crap, it's just so old, so convoluted, so impossible to use without deep, educated, specific knowledge of exactly what to do, Jesus Christ, give me a break!

This represents my feeling about Windows quote accurately. I think its hilarious how they continue slapping these new shiny UI tweaks onto the Windows NT, but still keep the system settings a total mess.
 
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No internet connection? You'll have to download a network driver. Wait, no internet connection right? Can't download driver. No problem, common sense, right? Download it on another computer, then use a USB stick to put it on the Windows 10 PC, simple yes? Oh wait, the Windows 10 PC doesn't even have a driver for a generic USB stick. How will I install anything on it without an internet connection if it can't read anything at all without a specific driver? Well, there was a way, it was just really, really, really complicated (required formatting a 500 GB hard drive to FAT 32 and mounting it as an internal drive somehow on a laptop (don't ask me how I did that) and using that just to transfer a 700 KB driver). It took 3 days. To transfer 700 KB of data from one computer to the other. Yep.

So you're installing an OS that wasn't meant for your hardware at all and you complain it doesn't work? Did you try installed OSX on a standard PC? I tried and it was more complicated to install Windows on a Mac.

Sorry but saying that Windows doesn't have a generic driver for a USB stick says it all about your Windows knowledge and you probably should stay away from Windows.

I agree with a few things you're saying and I find myself that Windows 10 is like putting new icing on an old cake but let gets the facts straight.

Yeah the registry may look complicated but it was not meant for casual users. Same thing on the mac with the Library folder that is hidden by defaults and contain the preferences for all applications. I had to remove some preferences for an application that was failing upgrade and it was not easier than the registry in Windows.

I still don't understand the learning curve required for Windows and I do agree that plenty of stuff are buried and where never improved.

I think it's a good time to be on the Mac. But I manage Windows & Linux machines at work, so I personally don't have a choice to use it. Mac is not perfect but it's verrrrrrrrrrrry close! If only they updated hardware as often as the software.

have a nice day Baryon.
 

MrNomNoms

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I've given Windows 10 10240 a whirl and really it has all the ugliness in terms of inconsistency as before - if the whole GUI was replaced with one based around XAML/WinRT then at least out of the box you'd get a consistent experience and proper DPI scaling for the bundled software. The problem is that Windows 10 is still a really bad mish-mash because the complete lack of will on the part of Microsoft to really ride it through to the bitter end and draw a line of separation between, "this is the past" and "this is the future" thus you have what you see today.

There's nothing about OSX underlying architecture superior to Windows apart from an easier to use SDK. In terms of graphics and sound APIs, gaming APIs, drivers, plug and play, support for new hardware, support for enterprise solutions, these are in Windows favour. Also the hybrid NT kernel is partly based on Posix, which Apple's variant of BSD conforms to. The other parts of the hybrid kernel are Win32 and OS2 Warp.

The clean lines of separation between each framework, kit, what each part does means you don't end up with a spaghetti code dependency that looks like a complete mess - dependencies going left, right and centre; dependency chains going up to the top, dependencies traversing layers etc. How does that benefit us as end users? when Apple want to make changes they can do so at the lower layers such as what they've done with Metal and we all benefit without all hell breaking loose. There is also the benefit that moving to DPI scaling was a mess where as in Windows everything was hard coded against specific versions of common control and dialogues meaning that for everything to be moved forward it is done in a piecemeal fashion that you end up with the GUI mess today. In terms of drivers, how? the mess compared to the clean set of API's provided by developers put Windows to shame with the only lead being around enterprise and long term support policies but outside that in the average users perspective those enterprise features are very much irrelevant. Also, what do you mean by 'superior plug and play support'? it seems that you're just throwing around things rather than giving specifics.
 
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baryon

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So you're installing an OS that wasn't meant for your hardware at all and you complain it doesn't work? Did you try installed OSX on a standard PC? I tried and it was more complicated to install Windows on a Mac.

Sorry but saying that Windows doesn't have a generic driver for a USB stick says it all about your Windows knowledge and you probably should stay away from Windows.

I agree with a few things you're saying and I find myself that Windows 10 is like putting new icing on an old cake but let gets the facts straight.

Yeah the registry may look complicated but it was not meant for casual users. Same thing on the mac with the Library folder that is hidden by defaults and contain the preferences for all applications. I had to remove some preferences for an application that was failing upgrade and it was not easier than the registry in Windows.

I still don't understand the learning curve required for Windows and I do agree that plenty of stuff are buried and where never improved.

I think it's a good time to be on the Mac. But I manage Windows & Linux machines at work, so I personally don't have a choice to use it. Mac is not perfect but it's verrrrrrrrrrrry close! If only they updated hardware as often as the software.

have a nice day Baryon.

I wasn't clear about it, I was installing Windows 10 on a PC first, which totally should support it. Once that was done, it was missing all the drivers to work with that computer, and it was even missing the network drivers so it couldn't download the drivers. The computer had no CD drive so couldn't install from there. But it was even missing the basic USB drivers and it didn't recognize any of my USB sticks (I'm not kidding) so there was almost nothing to do, I thought that was very stupid. I mean if without special drivers you can't do anything, then how are you meant to get the drivers on there in the first place? Granted they can't account for all kinds of hardware, and they have way more hardware to support than OS X, but in many cases it's a real pain.

Windows serves the average user very well, and so does OS X. The difference is that to do "power user" things in OS X, you usually don't need to do much or know a lot, while sometimes in Windows you have to be quite an expert and even then you still need 3 days to work things out.

In the end, since owning a Mac, I hardly spend time fixing my computer. I use it when I need it and put it to sleep when I don't. Long gone are the days of "okay this thing that has been bothering me for 2 years needs to be fixed so I'm going to spend my weekend working this out". I even thought naively that computers have just come a long way in the past decade, but occasionally working with Windows I'm reminded that it's just that I use a Mac. To me, that's huge, it actually affects my life in a positive way.
 
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