Control Center on iOS 10: stupid.

[aarontsuru]

As usual, users that have no jobs in UI design or software development have their opinions. They are of course not very well thought out, and very "me" oriented.

this has been addressed https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/control-center-on-ios-10-stupid.1990240/page-2#post-23295209

Of course the end user has an opinion about how something is designed since it is designed for the end user.

Do you not have an opinion on how things are designed, such as clothes, furniture, stationary, cars, electronics, websites, graphics, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..........

 

[d4cloo]

As usual, users that have no jobs in UI design or software development have their opinions. They are of course not very well thought out, and very "me" oriented.

New Control Center in iOS 10 is very, very well done.

I'm an interaction designer, but really that shouldn't matter.

You don't have to be a professional soccer player to see if a team is playing well or not. It's all about having a basic understanding of the subject at hand and basic analytical skills.

User interfaces are designed by experts for 'consumers'. Us! Experts don't design control center for themselves.

Saying that the target audience for who these U.I's are designed can't have an opinion because they aren't interaction designers themselves doesn't make any sense.
Users ARE the ones who should voice their opinion.

Expert opinions can even ruin things because they cannot always position themselves from the consumers angle.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Expert opinions can even ruin things because they cannot always position themselves from the consumers angle.

Yet far far far more often, amateur opinions fail to consider all important details.

 

[jamesin702]

I'm an interaction designer, but really that shouldn't matter.

You don't have to be a professional soccer player to see if a team is playing well or not. It's all about having a basic understanding of the subject at hand and basic analytical skills.

User interfaces are designed by experts for 'consumers'. Us! Experts don't design control center for themselves.

Saying that the target audience for who these U.I's are designed can't have an opinion because they aren't interaction designers themselves doesn't make any sense.
Users ARE the ones who should voice their opinion.

Expert opinions can even ruin things because they cannot always position themselves from the consumers angle.

Exactly! Since when did you have to be a professional ui designer to have a opinion on an Internet forum. I'll never understand the people who just dismiss others opinions because they don't design ui for Apple. Very few macrumors users have a valid opinion then. It's a childish statement and nothing more than an attempt to bait into an argument.

 

[jasonklee]

That's even worse. What's the point of quick access if there are like 5 or 6 cards? At that point it seems better to access the Settings pane.

Right now "allows elements to breathe" comes with "and by doing so compromised the user experience considerably".

In my opinion one single card should have been the restriction for designing control center. Two is too much already.

But okay, if more than one is what they want, Apple should have allowed us to configure Control Center so that I can only include the elements that *I* want for quick access (in my case all on one card, maybe you would like more).

Perhaps by dragging icons from an inventory onto the card in view.
And non-experienced users simply would accept what Apple provides by default and be done with it.

Allowing to configure cards shouldn't affect complexity negatively because it's optional.

Swiping to a Control Center card from the Lock screen is still faster than unlocking and drilling into settings sections or launching the Music or Home apps. People seem to have no problem using the multitasking view and swiping through several apps. My pleb friends I've shown the new Control Center to have welcomed the new direction. So any notion of extreme compromised user experience is just hyperbole. I can see how it could be annoying, but most users will swipe between system and media controls, and swiping isn't an advanced user interface.

Understandably, it's ideal to have one card for quick access to all your prominent toggles and switches, but iPhone users are a lot more tech savvy than they were in 2013 and iOS 10 has more features than iOS 7. As the iPhone has become more powerful, more and more people rely on a hand-held device for more and more actions, and this new UI is an attempt to bring order to a cluttered mess.

Personally, I've wanted this change since the beginning. I like having distinct controls for system and media controls and giving them their own space, and now with the new Home app, I'm grateful I can control my smart home devices with its own card.

Though I thought a customizable Control Center would arrive by iOS 10, I suppose it just wasn't in the cards.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

. . . But then! Night shift!
What a horrible, horrible waste of space for something that is so rarely interacted with. Which U.I designer came up with THAT? This could have been merged witch the Airdrop/Airplay row.
Something that I'm using much more often is the 'battery saving' setting. The ability to turn battery saving mode on/off is something I'd love to have, yet Apple doesn't want or allow me to . . .

I agree with almost everything you said in your post.

The above quote shows how we all use our devices differently however.

The only interaction I have with battery saving is when my iPhone automatically prompts me to ask whether I want to activate it or not.

As for Nightshift, however, I manually activate that pretty much every night. I prefer to activate it manually as I go to bed at different times and that's the only time I really use it as an aid to myself getting into "sleep mode".

It's very useful for me to have it in control centre.

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Having said that, if Dark Mode is ever implemented iOS wide – then I won't actually need nightshift but that's a topic for another thread.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Exactly! Since when did you have to be a professional ui designer to have a opinion on an Internet forum.

You don't! Being right, however, is a different story.

 

[jamesin702]

You don't! Being right, however, is a different story.

it's a good thing you don't get to decide who's right and who's wrong then

 

[TurboPGT!]

it's a good thing you don't get to decide who's right and who's wrong then

Heh, as a designer of software, Yes, I do. Because I decide what makes it into the final product. Same applies to Apple and their software.
At the end of the day we do what makes the most sense based on a lot of factors...way more factors than the simplistic impressions of one person.

 

[jamesin702]

Heh, as a designer of software, Yes, I do. Because I decide what makes it into the final product. Same applies to Apple and their software.
At the end of the day we do what makes the most sense based on a lot of factors...way more factors than the simplistic impressions of one person.

Sure buddy. You can be anything you want on the Internet. Even a designer for Apple. Doesn't make an opinion right or wrong. It's more than one person who doesn't think control center is perfect. But that's the point of this forum.

 

[lagwagon]

I'm an interaction designer, but really that shouldn't matter.

You don't have to be a professional soccer player to see if a team is playing well or not. It's all about having a basic understanding of the subject at hand and basic analytical skills.

User interfaces are designed by experts for 'consumers'. Us! Experts don't design control center for themselves.

Saying that the target audience for who these U.I's are designed can't have an opinion because they aren't interaction designers themselves doesn't make any sense.
Users ARE the ones who should voice their opinion.

Expert opinions can even ruin things because they cannot always position themselves from the consumers angle.

Have the end users here spent millions of dollars on r&d? Are the end users here some of the top OS developers around? Pretty sure the answer is "No" to both and Apple has a better grasp on what works best for most of the hundreds of millions iPhone users (over a billion iOS devices currently active when you also include iPads.) They design for majority, not you small percenters that only want everything to be what you want. Too much "me,me, me" attitude going around these days. It's sickening.

 

[alexmarchuk]

Have the end users here spent millions of dollars on r&d? Are the end users here some of the top OS developers around? Pretty sure the answer is "No" to both and Apple has a better grasp on what works best for most of the hundreds of millions iPhone users (over a billion iOS devices currently active when you also include iPads.) They design for majority, not you small percenters that only want everything to be what you want. Too much "me,me, me" attitude going around these days. It's sickening.

Indeed true, however it is the end experience that matters. I can't imagine Apple doesn't have a end user process of approval in a fashion of "focus groups".

 

[stooovie]

Apple has a better grasp on what works best for most of the hundreds of millions iPhone users

All that expertise and billions and they're still wrong and they still correct themselves all the time.

-Thin fonts in iOS 7 (even thinner in betas) get gradually thicker
-"Missed notifications" in iOS 7 Notification Center
-the whole notifications and widgets shuffle in 10
-complete reworking of watchOS and tvOS
-shuffling Spotlight search back and forth
-adding and removing Favorite contacts from App switcher
-change of recent apps from left to right to right to left

That doesn't mean Apple lacks good UI designers. But user needs change and even the most wealthy company in the world doesn't know and cannot anticipate user behavior (which is most visible in complete redesign of watchOS 3).

 

[lagwagon]

All that expertise and billions and they're still wrong and they still correct themselves all the time.

-Thin fonts in iOS 7 (even thinner in betas) get gradually thicker
-"Missed notifications" in iOS 7 Notification Center
-the whole notifications and widgets shuffle in 10
-complete reworking of watchOS and tvOS
-shuffling Spotlight search back and forth
-adding and removing Favorite contacts from App switcher
-change of recent apps from left to right to right to left

That doesn't mean Apple lacks good UI designers. But user needs change and even the most wealthy company in the world doesn't know and cannot anticipate user behavior (which is most visible in complete redesign of watchOS 3).

I guess you don't realize that iOS or any OS are iterative and always evolving? None of that says or proves "they were wrong". Nike shoes look different this year than last years model. I guess that means they got it wrong last year...right? (Fill in Nike and shoes with pretty much any company and product that changes on a somewhat regular cycle)

All those iOS tweaks are just that, tweaks made over the months/years because it's always evolving as any OS does.

tvOS wasn't completely reworked, it's the same as the day they released it with the 4th gen AppleTV with the exception of a few new features added in the updates. Older gen AppleTV's did not run on tvOS.

watchOS did change some core things around, yes. But mostly because they underestimated the battery and were too aggressive with battery saving in the start (thus adding the dock and ditching the Friends feature almost no one used.) And it was a brand new market and type of device. That is completely different than making tweaks here and there to an OS or device people have been using for nearly a decade already. Not even the public knew how they wanted to use the watch at first, therefore needed that first year or so to get some real world data (Data smartphones have had for again almost a decade now.)

 

[stooovie]

If you do A and then B, chances are you do B because A wasn't good. No matter how you slice it.

 

[ThunderMasterMind]

Just getting around to seeing this, and I kinda agree with ya. The colors on the toggles make perfect sense really. The colors line up with the colors in Settings, and orientation lock being red makes sense when you think about the concept of it. Sliders are definitely a problem, but I really don't notice it much. Customizing, meh people have there ups and downs, but I personally don't care.

If it was up to me, I would make it scrollable vertically (fixing the slider issue and having everything in one page), make it customizable, and allow Settings to be opened from it.

 

[Suckfest 9001]

The second somebody stoops so low and goes "yeah well ur not a designer and apple is so u dont know what ur talking about," you know the company they're 'representing' has failed miserably in delivering something that appeals to its fanbase.

Because it's not like they refuted your argument with evidence that the new approach is actually better - they just flat out go "NUH-UH, IM ACCEPTING IT BECAUSE MR.APPLE SAID SO AND HES SMART"

 

[jamesin702]

The second somebody stoops so low and goes "yeah well ur not a designer and apple is so u dont know what ur talking about," you know the company they're 'representing' has failed miserably in delivering something that appeals to its fanbase.

Because it's not like they refuted your argument with evidence that the new approach is actually better - they just flat out go "NUH-UH, IM ACCEPTING IT BECAUSE MR.APPLE SAID SO AND HES SMART"

Spot on. Mr turbo is a self proclaimed designer which enables him to speak on behalf of apple and tell people what to do with their phones and dismiss conflicting opinions. but he could also be the guy who replaces the pads in the urinals. Most likely nothing more than an alt account for a more prominent Apple white knight. All kidding aside they've come a long way from trying to convince you're holding the phone wrong, 3.5 inches is the perfect screen size or 16 gb is more than enough memory.

 

[sportsfrk214]

There are some areas where Android is better than iOS and Control Centre is one.

Obviously the one where his opinion makes it a universal fact it's better for 100% of the population, because it's so well designed.

That's not a very fair response. His comment never claimed it was better for 100% of the population - you put those words in his mouth. He merely expressed an opinion, something you have done quite a bit of yourself in this thread. You are allowed to disagree, but I would imagine you wouldn't appreciate such a reply to something you said.

Have the end users here spent millions of dollars on r&d? Are the end users here some of the top OS developers around? Pretty sure the answer is "No" to both and Apple has a better grasp on what works best for most of the hundreds of millions iPhone users (over a billion iOS devices currently active when you also include iPads.) They design for majority, not you small percenters that only want everything to be what you want. Too much "me,me, me" attitude going around these days. It's sickening.

Well of course Apple knows what works best better than we do in most instances. But to imply that that makes them infallible is too much of a stretch. As others have stated, if they were such experts and always knew what was best and never made mistakes, we wouldn't need software updates. Apple wouldn't change something unless they believed it would be an improvement, and so they very act of them making any change to their software at all is an admission that it could be improved. And Apple has made changes to things in the past after getting feedback from their users. Apple's designers are extremely talented and I'm willing to bet that most times, the decisions they make are better than any of us could make and are the right decisions. But they are most certainly not perfect, and I think it's obvious that they rely on user feedback to see what works and what doesn't.

You are correct in saying that they design for the majority - and in this case, it appears the majority opinion is that many aspects of the new Control Center are a step back from what they used to be. It won't affect my life in any dramatic way, but I would hope that Apple continues to do what they've always done, which is listen to their users to help guide them in delivering the best end user experience possible. Maybe I'll just leave it at that though, I'm sure I've adequately sickened you enough with my "me, me, me" attitude.

 

[Ad Lee]

The multi panel control center is terrible and senseless. It is the #1 irritant of this glitchy, clumsy iOS.

Using the sliders does, in fact, often still cause the panels to move instead.

The value of a separate, almost blank panel for the volume slider has been summarized by Apple shills here as 1) it allows buttons to "breathe", 2) maybe it will have value one day, 3) just remember which panel you left off on the last time - why can't you remember that? Also, 4) put up or shut up, Apple doesn't work for you.

 

[I7guy]

The multi panel control center is terrible and senseless. It is the #1 irritant of this glitchy, clumsy iOS.

Using the sliders does, in fact, often still cause the panels to move instead.

The value of a separate, almost blank panel for the volume slider has been summarized by Apple shills here as 1) it allows buttons to "breathe", 2) maybe it will have value one day, 3) just remember which panel you left off on the last time - why can't you remember that? Also, 4) put up or shut up, Apple doesn't work for you.

I know there is an opinion in there somewhere between the ad-homs and the hyperbole.

 

[Radon87000]

Now that I have used it extensively I conclude that the old CC destroys the new one

 

[I7guy]

Now that I have used it extensively I conclude that the old CC destroys the new one

The new cc allows for 3dt for the various functions at the bottom as well as expandability. So I like it better than the old version.

 

[Radon87000]

The new cc allows for 3dt for the various functions at the bottom as well as expandability. So I like it better than the old version.

3DT works on calculator,timer,flashlight and camera.Calculator menu is useless.I don't run timers all day.Flashlight one is useful.Camera is pointless as if I wanted to use 3DT on it I would use it directly on the home screen

Now had they implemented it on the top row it would have been much more useful

 

[I7guy]

3DT works on calculator,timer,flashlight and camera.Calculator menu is useless.I don't run timers all day.Flashlight one is useful.Camera is pointless as if I wanted to use 3DT on it I would use it directly on the home screen

Now had they implemented it on the top row it would have been much more useful

Useful is subjective. 3dt gives additional functionality in various places.