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Tozovac

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Sorry if I ranted. Reading it I think I used too much copy to get my point accross

NO apology necessary. I find myself too often wanting to scream about how much iOS and OS has been ruined since iOS7. Going into detail is not only good therapy imho, but there's always the hope that somebody from Apple with a shred of sense gets inspired by reading some common sense in detail to start undoing all of the ruination caused by Jony Ive meddling into the UI.

What does 'cleaner U.I' mean when it affects the user experience?

EXACTLY. Please take note Jony Ive, Tim Cook, and all of the supposedly talented Apple UI design team. Realize that Apple is becoming windows: brand-new reinventions every so often, none of which is particularly better than the other one but just different. Comparatively speaking to the overly complex things you offer now, you had near-perfection at iOS 6 and just before Mavericks OS. Go back, reuse the apps and UI you had (PLEASE bring back the Music app from iOS 6 in place of this useless mess you offer now) and feel free to use most of the new functions you've introduced since then except for the dual pane control center. Feel free to replace the green felt and wood grain with brushed steel if those really make you cry at night, and we will all be so much happier.
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You wanna talk bad UI...

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Apple's QC has gone out the window.

Yup! That or it's as if nobody wants to speak up to the king when bad decisions are floated down.
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Expert opinions can even ruin things because they cannot always position themselves from the consumers angle.

The ruination of Apple UI since 2013 is very well summed in your statement. Instead of Apple designing the UI to be the best that it can be using proven UI principles so that its users/artists can most efficiently and most pleasingly do their thing, the UI designer has turned into the wanna-be artist, enforcing his taste over proven UI principles & trying to make something unique and different and at the extreme sacrifice of usability.
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Use a Samsung device for more than 2 months and you will appreciate 99% of all of apples design choices, I know because I have. Just my 2 cents, I'm not bashing, just giving my opinion.

I agree with you. However, one thing i'm surprised that isn't often realized & discussed by others is how after around 2013, Apple became "better than android at least" to many diehard Apple fans instead of how it used to be "hands-down the best." Right now, "hands-down the best" no longer exists; Apple boxed it up and cremated or buried it around 2013 when they started over-muddling around with good UI. That this facet continues to be so unrecognized or unspoken, it's just surprising. Apple is no longer the best UI, but to many they are better than what else is out there.

What if we applied that to ourselves: what if every day we just tried to be better than those we saw around us, instead of being the best that we could possibly be?
 
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Osamede

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Several months later, must restate that the first impression was correct: the two-page solution is clunky and unnecessary.

AirDrop, and the other Air-thing, don't need to take up an entire line for two, low-usage items. And the media controls don't need to be so big and separated in own page. They could have been fit in on the third line of the single pane.

Simply an egregious design fail here...
 

mpavilion

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Several months later, must restate that the first impression was correct: the two-page solution is clunky and unnecessary.

AirDrop, and the other Air-thing, don't need to take up an entire line for two, low-usage items. And the media controls don't need to be so big and separated in own page. They could have been fit in on the third line of the single pane.

Simply an egregious design fail here...

Yeah, I've never really gotten used to it... thought I would, as with most UI changes, but this one still feels clunky. I hope they will go back to a single "page"...
 

ANDJOE

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Clearly they have implemented this design with future un-announced features in mind, dark mode etc.
 

TouchedByAl

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I actually like the two paned control center approach. I just wish that air drop/air play and night shift didn't take up so much space and or could be customizable with other settings or have an option to collapse them or take them off. I have the SE and control center takes up more then half of the screen which is ridiculous when you think about it.
 
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C DM

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It also takes up 60% of space on my 6S Plus. Even more ridiculous...
Why is that ridiculous? It's more or less the space that is reachable with the thumb, so seems fairly reasonable.
 

Tozovac

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After fumbling with my phone in a situation yesterday where I needed to adjust it quickly, I'm more and more disgusted with Apple's recent tendencies to make the simplest of actions require more steps and more difficulty, in a way that generally wastes a bunch of space instead of exhibiting the skilled design that Apple used to be known for, all for the sake of.... I have no freaking clue.
 

IndianBird

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After fumbling with my phone in a situation yesterday where I needed to adjust it quickly, I'm more and more disgusted with Apple's recent tendencies to make the simplest of actions require more steps and more difficulty, in a way that generally wastes a bunch of space instead of exhibiting the skilled design that Apple used to be known for, all for the sake of.... I have no freaking clue.

What happened that caused this irritation?
 
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Tozovac

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What happened that caused this irritation?

I was trying to use the scrubbing locator to move within a certain length of a podcast while walking but the white dot locator for location within the podcast is so damn small now (unlike brightness and volume) that it's hidden whenever your finger goes to press it. I couldn't get a good grab at it and the control panel kept wanting to slide over to the other one. I did this dance two or three times and almost threw my phone down onto the ground. I don't want to hear this BS about saving space when only the bottom half of the screen is used.

While we're at it, speaking of making things less user-friendly -- with Apple's use of transparency often in ways that make things clumsy to understand, why is the volume indicator that appears on the screen when you press the side volume buttons not transparent? The one thing you would want to be transparent so you can keep watching the video underneath is not transparent. Maddening.

I know this sounds like incessant whining especially to someone who may really like Apple's decisions in UI since iOS 7, but since the current path of over-minimalism, over-complicating, and dumbed-down-looking flat design is definitely a design choice reflecting changing of the guard from Steve Jobs to Jony Ive and not the result of an obviously improved methodology, why not offer at least some simple customization and choice, just like being able to purchase different color vehicles with different types of transmissions. How long has it been and they haven't even introduced dark mode yet for those of us who don't believe that white-out is good design, especially when iPhones are still impossible to use in sunlight 10 years later? And, offering only the "invert colors" is an insultingly useless option that I've never heard of anybody using. Truly maddening. :)
 
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IndianBird

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I was trying to use the scrubbing locator to move within a certain length of a podcast while walking but the white dot locator for location within the podcast is so damn small now (unlike brightness and volume) that it's hidden whenever your finger goes to press it. I couldn't get a good grab at it and the control panel kept wanting to slide over to the other one. I did this dance two or three times and almost threw my phone down onto the ground. I don't want to hear this BS about saving space when only the bottom half of the screen is used.

While we're at it, speaking of making things less user-friendly -- with Apple's use of transparency often in ways that make things clumsy to understand, why is the volume indicator that appears on the screen when you press the side volume buttons not transparent? The one thing you would want to be transparent so you can keep watching the video underneath is not transparent. Maddening.

I know this sounds like incessant whining especially to someone who may really like Apple's decisions in UI since iOS 7, but since the current path of over-minimalism, over-complicating, and dumbed-down-looking flat design is definitely a design choice reflecting changing of the guard from Steve Jobs to Jony Ive and not the result of an obviously improved methodology, why not offer at least some simple customization and choice, just like being able to purchase different color vehicles with different types of transmissions. How long is it been and they haven't even introduced dark mode yet. And, invert colors is in insultingly useless option that I've never heard of anybody using. Truly maddening. :)

It would have been kind of funny to watch this from nearby. Especially if you had thrown the phone down.
 

Tozovac

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It would have been kind of funny to watch this from nearby. Especially if you had thrown the phone down.

Ha ha I agree. :) I'm a pretty optimistic kind of guy, so I refuse to let Jony Ive's bad influence on something I really, really enjoyed from 2005 to 2013 ruin my day, ever. All my posts about poor UI influence by Jony Ive are not in rage but for minor therapy. :) And for a Hail Mary pipe dream that somebody of influence at Apple will read these threads and wake up.
 
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Osamede

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Well it seems now they understand there’s a problem but they haven’t applied themselves enough to stripping down, which is the only way they can ever fix it.
 

Osamede

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The fact we can customize it now makes it much better to me.

Screen recording is nice too.
I like that as well. In fact customising like this is a big step forward for IOS.

But it is incomplete. For example I dont use screen mirroring, never have. It still takes up huge real estate here - and cant be removed. So not fully customisable

Also. IMO, good Mac design is also clean and calm and zen. This one not at all. In fact that lack of calm and ease has been a problem since right from the beginning when Apple copied the control panel idea from Android. But they have never put an IOS/Apple design approach to it. I know they are capable of it, but trying to shove in everything - and the kitchen sink too - is never a good design objective.
 
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