Look at the tweets he made that day, especially within that hour. It should be pretty obvious.
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Could iOS 14 be pushed back to October?
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Look at the tweets he made that day, especially within that hour. It should be pretty obvious.
I think it would be better to just release iOS 14 at the usual time. This way more bugs can get rooted out before the new devices come out and it'll be the smoothest, least buggy new device release ever!
You can always choose not to upgrade to iOS 14 right away. Apple even made it easier lately with the new option to not download the new OS automatically over WiFi.
You can always choose not to upgrade to iOS 14 right away. Apple even made it easier lately with the new option to not download the new OS automatically over WiFi.
How about this then? Gurman is more reliable than Prosser.
That's not how it works. They have a cut off point for the betas, as they have to establish the build that is going to become GM to get it installed on the devices before they get shipped out to the stores for launch. This is why you tend to see a minimum of 2 weeks between the last Beta release and GM, sometimes longer, if they are happy with a build (there was 29 days gap once.
Apple have a line in the sand, both time and level of bugs within a build, and once either of those is reached, any work then goes over to x.0.1 or x.1 depending.
I completely agree with Gurman.
It would make absolutely no sense to wait - given that the betas are actually pretty stable already.
You said I was late to the party and I meant that they were late emailing me and other users to test out the beta
Just trying to make the point that it would be strange to invite even more users to participate in a beta if the final release is around the corner.
I don't think that Apple is going to release any of this till October. And iOS are release according to the new phones announcement.
Beta 8 today, tomorrow or Thursday. GM next Tuesday (9/15). Public release on 9/23 or 9/25. This allows new iPads and Apple Watches to launch within a reasonable time table (likely 9/25) and follows their typical announcement to release date timing interval, while also staying within Apple’s definition of “Fall” for when they said they’d release iOS 14.
Supposedly the beta is fairly solid by now so if you're really desperate for iOS 14, sign up for the beta program and go for it.
I'm sticking with 13, probably until official release. I'm fond of how stable and solid my phone has been lately.
There's always a minimum of 12 days between the last beta build and the GM release. So a beta this week and GM next week are extremely unlikely.
If there is no beta tomorrow, then we will see GM the day after the event, on the 16th September. Public release will be the 23rd (as it's usually the Wednesday before new devices come out, to help spread out server traffic). New devices on 25th September.
If a beta comes tomorrow, then GM will come out 23rd and public release on 30th, which means new devices will be Friday 2nd October.
Since this event is watches and iPads only, it is possible that product release is 2 weeks, rather than 1 (we've had both in the past). They could be spacing the events out, as they will do an event for the iPhones and the 2 Apple Silicon Mac product event in October, so I would guess we get that mid October for the iPhones to be released late October.
There's always a minimum of 12 days between the last beta build and the GM release. So a beta this week and GM next week are extremely unlikely.
If there is no beta tomorrow, then we will see GM the day after the event, on the 16th September. Public release will be the 23rd (as it's usually the Wednesday before new devices come out, to help spread out server traffic). New devices on 25th September.
If a beta comes tomorrow, then GM will come out 23rd and public release on 30th, which means new devices will be Friday 2nd October.
Since this event is watches and iPads only, it is possible that product release is 2 weeks, rather than 1 (we've had both in the past). They could be spacing the events out, as they will do an event for the iPhones and the 2 Apple Silicon Mac product event in October, so I would guess we get that mid October for the iPhones to be released late October.
I hear you on the fact that historically Apple has had a minimum of 12 days between final beta and GM, but counter that with the fact that this year has totally deviated from the norm. Not to mention, usually this larger gap of time between final beta and GM is because Apple has usually internally finalized the GM well ahead of when it's released to developers because it needs to be loaded onto the new iPhones, which tend to ship 1-2 weeks after the event/GM is launched. There don't seem to be iPhones coming until later on, so they're not under the gun for this internal deadline and could extend the beta process if they wanted to.
That said, I agree that we may not see a beta 8, and maybe beta 7 was as final as it gets and essentially be the GM (obviously dropping the "b"). But I also wouldn't be surprised if the GM is a few builds newer (so not identical to beta 7, but an update from beta 7, despite there never being a beta 8).
The GM usually launches on the day of the event (9/15), not after, at least that has been the case in recent years. Last year, iOS 13 launched on 9/19, not Wednesday (9/18), so if we're going by last year, then I'd wager 9/24 vs. 9/23, but in reality think Tuesday-Thursday of the week following the event are fair game.
Apologies, you’re right about the GM historically being the same day as the event.
Although the iPhones won’t come in this event, the new Watches will be needing WatchOS 7 and new iPads will need iOS 14 loaded on them, so therefore they still need the minimum 12 days between final build and release.
3 - 4 more betas?, when it’s coming this month supposedly ? This must be the buggiest version of iOS since iOS 7 if that’s the case.
We are on beta 7 now and probably have 2 more to go. This is pretty much SOP for beta with Apple.
2 betas and official release this month? I don’t think they’re going to get enough feedback in time if that’s the case, sounds a little rushed. But if it’s standard, must be alright.
Patience is a virtue. Waiting for the official release is always good.
I've been rocking iOS 14 betas since the last 3 weeks on my iPhone and the last 2 months on my iPad, and it's going to be a great release. Not feature-packed, but stability-wise, you won't be disappointed.
SOP for Apple is having minimum of 12 days between final beta build and GM release, as the final build gets made GM internally and put on new devices.
Seeing as there event is the 15th, the new iPads & Watches must be out on Friday 25th September, or 2nd October, since their events are usually a week or 2 prior to them being released (lately has been more 1 week, than 2).
So, if you're going to cite Apple SOP, don't forget the above.
Yeah. as most people know, ios14 is required for watch os7. my guess is that with the launch event next Tuesday, preorders will be Friday 18th with deliveries beginning on the 25th. There’s zero point in having a launch Event if they don’t have the products ready to sell. ios14 has to be out by then surely?
The watch and new iPads will have WatchOS 7 and iOS 14 on them, so public release should be the Wednesday or Thursday before the products (so 23rd/24th).
It could be the event is announcing the devices for them to be delivered the 2nd October, so a 2 week lead, so that they don't have 2 events so close to each other (as the iPhones and Apple Silicon Mac's will need an event, and I suspect that's mid October).
Agreed. Only once since moving to the iPhone Fall release schedule (since iPhone 4s) has Apple gone more than 2 weeks from iPhone announcement to device being able to purchase, and this was for the iPhone 6s. I guess you could include the iPhone X in that category as well, since it was announced in September and launched in November, but Apple still released the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus within that 2 week window. In fact, I can see Apple replicating what happened in 2017 this year; Releasing the non-pro iPhone 12 (think iPhone 8/8 Plus) in September, and the iPhone 12 Pro in October/November (think iPhone X). I would be surprised if both the non-Pro and Pro model aren't both announced next week though. Not only does that go against what Apple has historically done, but if everyone knows a Pro model is coming and the specs aren't released, many folks will not buy the non-Pro in anticipation of the Pro being released (similar to how no one buys an iPhone leading up to the release of the newer model), which hurts Apple's sales.
The product announcement is meant to generate media buzz and consumer hype, and after the 6s, I think Apple learned that having the event too far in advance of any actual hardware being available does not result in more sales. Like you said, if the hardware is available for sale, there is no reason to delay it, particularly in a pandemic year leading up to their holiday quarter where every week of revenue matters. iOS 14, iPadOS 14 and WatchOS, while maybe not totally bug free (neither is iOS 13 after a year), are stable enough for consumer, and won't hold Apple back from making additional hardware sales. If the iPhone 12 non-pro, new iPad and Apple Watch (or any combination of these products) are ready to ship, Apple will release them as soon as possible, and with it, iOS 14 and WatchOS 7.
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Yeah, with some of the people pointing out the Apple watches having watchOS 7 and that does require iOS 14, the ship date of the Apple watches will be what to look for. Best case sceneario, watches ship to arrive 9/25ish. iOS and watchOS availability for older devices likely being the 22nd or 23rd.