I'll admit I've been out of the loop for a few months due to surgery, but last I heard it was a glitchy implementation. Also, TB3 still lacks the throughput of PCIe, though for GPGPU tasks I guess that's not as critical.
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Could the nMP have been discontinued?
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I'll admit I've been out of the loop for a few months due to surgery, but last I heard it was a glitchy implementation. Also, TB3 still lacks the throughput of PCIe, though for GPGPU tasks I guess that's not as critical.
And where people will write and test the code for application for iOS? On Apple Watch?
No, iPad Pro for that is not enough.
A mac won't be required for iOS dev in the future.
Some argue it isn't needed today.
Think VMs, CloudComputing, and 4+ years of further Ax arm development.
A six/eight-core iPad pro + target iOS device, will be enough to author, link, & debug,
In terms of complex application building.
Imagine uploading your source code to Apple.
Less then 30 secs later you have a build available for QA testing.
Some argue it isn't needed today.
Think VMs, CloudComputing, and 4+ years of further Ax arm development.
A six/eight-core iPad pro + target iOS device, will be enough to author, link, & debug,
In terms of complex application building.
Imagine uploading your source code to Apple.
Less then 30 secs later you have a build available for QA testing.
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That's record breaking for the Mac Pro.
But for Macs overall, the non-retina 13" MacBook Pro Apple is currently selling (http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MD101LL/A&step=config#) takes the prize at over 4 years old. For crying out loud it was released June 2012! It has Intel HD4000 graphics! I'm surprised Intel is still making those chips.
I don't want to send my source code to Apple.
30 seconds is too long for a build; mine are 15 seconds or less.
Small screens are not productive for development. My minimum screen size is 27 in and two monitors are better.
Xcode can be a real resource hog even on my quad core i7 and even though processors are getting faster, Xcode is getting bigger and slower every release too.
Yeah, we wanted an updated mac pro.. not a completely different design. They did over deliver in a way, and now they're stuck with a design that's harder to update.
Does anyone really want to do serious work on a 9,7 or 12' inch screen? That's like jumping in a time machine and traveling back to the 80's.
I'm sorry, but Tim can spin this any way he wants, but at the end of the day the iPad is a consumer device primarily designed for consumption and the most basic kind of work. It's a giant iPhone, not a real computer
Well in 2021 I'll start to worry about that, but in 2016 I want my updated Mac Pro!
Time to start looking at the Z-Series... because the Mac Pro could be discontinued soon.
Two strawman predictions? Seriously?
In the eight years I've been around this forums (read for a long while before posting) there is always a small group who spend all Spring cheerleading that new Mac Pro is coming is going to be released at WWDC. And it never happens. ( WWDC 2013 was more an announcement of the cancellation of the old form factor than a release of a new version). No solid factual evidence usually, but typically motivated by "Mac Pro" super important, WWDC super important so therefore Mac Pro must appear at WWDC. ( i.e., a large amount of smoke and self delusion. ).
The September iPod now iPhone event is going to be back focused? Ha! It wasn't even in the iPod days let alone now with the iPhone and iOS ecosystem an order of magnitude larger than the Mac.
The only reason folks are hyping those events because there are the only two regularly scheduled ones. The only semi-regular event for Mac over last 3-4 years have been the Oct-Nov releases. For this forum, those other two dates are just strawman set up to purposely largely to generate as much angst as possible. If anyone is doing any IT or serious procurement planning based on those two 'rumors' you are lost, deeply lost on catching even a small clue.
So...question? Have any of you gotten together and sent Apple feedback about this? You are the customer. Let Apple know your issues instead of wondering and waiting.
Apple is now TWO generations of Xeons behind. The E5 2xxx v4 have being released in Q1 2016.
Xeon E5 v6 (Kaby Lake) isn't even on released or leaked roadmaps yet. Xeon E5 v4 (Broadwell) just got released this year Q1-Q2 2016. The equivalent of Xeon E5 v5 1600 (Skylake ) series isn't due until 2017. The kaby Lake (if it comes at all) update to the that would be 2018. Apple isn't waiting for 2018.
There are Xeon E3 v5 (Skylake ) out now ( http://ark.intel.com/products/family/88210/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v5-Family#@Server ). There should be E3 v6 perhaps in general availability by Q1 2017. But that is 4 cores max and iGPUs. that isn't what the Mac Pro has used in the past ( more like iMac level computational power).
Next flaw is that USB-C is a port connector type. It has nothing to do with the chipset. Similarly it is highly unlikely that Thunderbolt is going to be integrated into the mainstream CPU package any time soon. ( perhaps for a subset of embedded versions ). There is a difference between provisioning enough PCI-e lanes to make Thunderbolt v3 useful without choking off other subsystem bandwidth. Some firmware boot support but there is nothing blocking the Mac Pro from TB v3. Certainly not "TB integration into the package".
There are Broadwell and Skylake systems already sold that have TB v3. There is no excuse for Apple there.
So the three words are closer to misinformed, incorrect, unexcused.
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Q3 for what?
Xeon E5 v4 released in Q2 (perhaps a bit soft release with a ramp)
http://ark.intel.com/products/series/91318/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1600-v4-Product-Family#@Server
At the "add to cart" stage at HP.....
http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/desktops/hp-z440-workstation-(energy-star)-w9z09ut-aba
[with a Xeon E5 1630 v4 ]
Test versions of E5 v4 went out to system vendors back in Q4 2015. Some glitches and hiccups but it has been a long while. Apple still in the design phase would mean that Apple started late or screwed up at this point. It isn't lack of components. Xeon E5 regularly have a very long test/beta process with vendors which is one reason they trail the mainstream architecture releases so much. If Apple didn't get something to work with as a design "stub" it would more likely be because they didn't ask for a reference board and engineering sample. ( same issue when they skipped Xeon E5 v1 (Sandy Bridge)... several indications they never had one. )
It is questionable that Apple has a serious team working on this stuff full time. Mac Pro's fits and stops looks far more like a "part time" project. Minimally it appears chronically understaffed ( perhaps small team have been triaging all the hiccups from the first version for a substantial amount of time. )
Could the nMP have been discontinued and replaced by the iPad you think is not a computer? I think you are just afraid. Afraid Mr. Cook will hold a town hall meeting with open mics in the aisles for comments after a true hands on demonstration! The demonstration will consist of him: 1. Showing Houdini performing 2. Divinci Resolve grading 4K 3. Adobe Premiere editing 6K Dragon 4. Maya performing 3D animation and 5. Compositing in NUKE.
You just find your way to the mic to tell Mr. Cook you are sorry you called him a spin meister!
Come on Mr. Cook hold that town hall meeting and show this guy!
The E5 2000 series would not be the core of the Mac Pro product line up. The 1600 series would be and it wasn't "released" until Q2 (June 2016).
http://ark.intel.com/products/series/91318/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1600-v4-Product-Family#@Server
http://www.cpu-world.com/Releases/Server_CPU_releases_(2016).html
https://www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e5-1600-v4-workstation-processor-family-launched/
two generations behind is where they were on the Dec 2013 release point too. ( although they had stopped selling the previous version around the time that 2nd generation got to wide distribution stage at other vendors. ) Apple got hung up on Thunderbolt 2 launch constraints also at that point in time. [ there are TB v3 systems in the wild at this point so not sure what "dog ate my homework" excuse they have for that. Although it is probably software stack related.. .since across the whole Mac line up at this point. ]
Yes, seriously. Call them what you will but those dates were given as lines in the sand by several people in this forum. You may disagree with them but they are reality.
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One picture worth a thousand words.
Dates given by who and backed up with what facts? The is a ton of manure spread on Macrumors every day. It is just plain junk. They no more define reality than folks who claim the world is flat. It isn't.
At one point in time, there was much better signal to noise ratio on Macrumors. Sadly it appears there is an increasing number of newcomers who think dispensing made up stories they pull out of their butt is normal and the primary purpose of these forums. It really isn't. This is not intended to be a fiction writers forum for new stories. Just because people resubmit their fiction stories 10-15 times over a couple of months doesn't turn them in factual documentaries.
Who said they were based on facts? The problem is no one has any facts because Apple hasn't seen fit to provide any form of guidance.
Having said that I think you misunderstand what those lines in the sand were. It goes something like this:
May 2016:
Q: I want to buy a Mac Pro but the current offering is dated and not even discounted. Should I buy or wait until Apple releases a new version?
A: No one knows when (or if) Apple will release a new Mac Pro. However WWDC is right around the corner so I would wait until after that to see if there's an announcement.
July 2016 (with no announcement of a new Mac Pro at WWDC):
Q: I want to buy a Mac Pro but the current offering is dated and not even discounted. Should I buy or wait until Apple releases a new version?
A: No one knows when (or if) Apple will release a new Mac Pro. However the new iPhone launch is right around the corner so I would wait until after that to see if there's an announcement.
September 2016 (with no announcement of a new Mac Pro at the iPhone launch):
Q: I want to buy a Mac Pro but the current offering is dated and not even discounted. Should I buy or wait until Apple releases a new version?
A: No one knows when (or if) Apple will release a new Mac Pro. However October is right around the corner so I would wait until after that to see if there's an announcement.
The difference is at no point in Apple's past have they had a "No buy" recommendation for all of the Macintosh products. People are, rightly so, concerned about Apple's commitment to the platform. It's not just M.R. where this is happening. It's happening all over the web.