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Could Vision Pro replace your daily computer?
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No, I didn't say it sucks. I just said there were some things I wanted to do that MacOS (or any other desktop OS) didn't do. MacOS does do many things I want it to do, perfectly well.
Most things aren't all or nothing, you know?
Not a problem for me, I have 6 x 27" 4K monitors - on two desks positioned in an L shape on two computers (one I use when contracting, one is my personal setup/my own projects). My left monitor contains typically something like research and communications, center one is my focus monitor where I do most of my work, and my right one (sometimes in portrait orientation) is usually documentation depending on what I am doing. The Vision Pro would be a solid addition when I am on the road, as I find it restrictive going down to one small monitor on a laptop... but there will be limitations to the monitors on the Vision Pro since the bandwidth to the laptop is limited. I would much prefer them allowing for macOS in a virtual machine... on the Vision Pro... but then I would want at least 24GB on that device... actually, I do expect you to be able to do that since - they already have the Virtualization Framework on macOS that could easily be ported if it is not already available.
We still don’t have your key requirement for iPad. Apps on iPadOS are limited. Mobile versions. I assume the same for visionOS until proven otherwise since it’ll run iPad apps but not macOS.
It may be that VP requires using a Mac in conjunction with VisionOS. Which could be ok, but it remains to be seen (unintentional pun).
My sense is that the platform will evolve to where it will run MS apps natively. It's too good an interface to restrict it to mobile apps only, imo.
Could the Vision Pro replace one’s entire computing setup, was the question. I think it depends on how demanding a user you are. If your main machine is currently an iPad, then it certainly could. If you rely on Office, do a lot of writing or are a AR/VR developer, I think at a minimum you would have to add a keyboard. If you’re into scientific computing or anything that requires heavy lifting, I think this is maybe not the platform for you.
I’d love to try it out — my computing demands are fairly light, mostly just some browsing and some writing and a few spreadsheets. I like environments which allow me to manage my inspiration, and a mixed reality environment might allow you to do a lot in this direction.
Really ultimately it depends on how good the VisionOS setup is for general computing. We know what we can do with a keyboard and a mouse, but eye tracking, gestures and voice as a combined paradigm are something a bit new, it might take some getting used to.
I’d love to try it out — my computing demands are fairly light, mostly just some browsing and some writing and a few spreadsheets. I like environments which allow me to manage my inspiration, and a mixed reality environment might allow you to do a lot in this direction.
Really ultimately it depends on how good the VisionOS setup is for general computing. We know what we can do with a keyboard and a mouse, but eye tracking, gestures and voice as a combined paradigm are something a bit new, it might take some getting used to.
Apple Vision Pro will be 500g, so quite heavy. So I don’t think people will use it for long periods of time. Apple will offer an optional head strap to help with comfort, but probably will still cause discomfort.
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OP did say “Putting Wearable fatigue aside” as well as the short battery life. The question was more theoretical. In other words, imagining the VP in its ideal form that it’s aiming for—ie. imagine Apple sufficiently figures out the physical problems of weight and battery—would the form factor and features otherwise work for you?
Yes, I think we can all agree, based off the first hand reviewers, that as it is now, it’s likely not something you’d wear for 8+ hours straight, probably not even with the top head strap.
But also personally I don’t work more than a couple hours at a time without breaks haha.
I would say part of the day, yes... full day... I don't know... depends on many many factors. The "head fatigue" of wearing it will also depend. At 500g it is going to increase the weight of the head by 10% (unbalanced), if you change your center of balance by having good posture and putting your head a bit back - it would offset some of that extra weight. The weight of people looking down at their screen with only 100% of their head weight rather than 110%... likely much more fatiguing... but many people in this country do that constantly for long periods of time. I work at home (have for 12+ years) probably 8 to 10 hours a day depending on if I am motivated on a task or if I am procrastinating a bit.... but then I do pace a lot and I do get up a lot, and I could see myself picking up the keyboard and mouse and taking the screen with me a short distance and stand up and work (higher desk; I don't have adjustable desks) before going back to my desk or if I am getting something started for lunch but also still engaged in the task. I don't game ... or I game so little and would prefer not twitch style games that are more logic problem based. I can see me using it, especially when on the road, and on the plane... and I do have some pet projects I would like to work on that I think would be interesting for that environment... so I am expecting when it is available I will get it. Hopefully by then they will have implemented whiteboards that I can plaster where I work with them (I have thought about making all my walls whiteboards from ceiling to baseboard ... but have not done it). It would be even better if it read the math on the board and did text to formula and let me also use/test what is written for sanity. I won't know what I would use it fully, or how long... until I have a set in my grubby little hands... I would say I am very intrigued about it.
Same here. People often point out the ergonomic issues with headsets—which are a very real concern right now—but usually ignore the potential benefits. I'd like to have more flexibility in where I sit and stand. Basically a device I could use anywhere I could comfortably use a laptop, but with much more screen area. The weight of headsets isn't as much of an issue for me as the pressure they put on my face.
I'd like an advanced version of Stage Manager—a layout of a collection of apps and Finder windows and documents that I could recall at any time, even after a reboot. I think spatially, so if I can have a consistent layout for each task I do, I can be more productive. I could attach the notes app to the keyboard, so it's out of the way, but I could still look at it with a glance.
But I also need a desktop-class OS. Multiple iPad windows just won't cut it. I write tools for myself in Python and AutoHotKey (yes, I'm a Windows user).
So a device like the Vision Pro could replace my desktop computer, at least if it were more comfortable, but I doubt the first generation Vision Pro will be capable enough on the OS/software side to fully replace what I do with my desktop.
It doesn't remain to be seen. There's no indication whatsoever that visionOS can run macOS apps. In fact from what we've seen lately, the UI looks very ipad like. It's basically a 3d ipad at this point sans apple pencil.
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It also has to have lay away pay aka monthly payments, people don't know how to save.
If the Vision Pro included an eSIM for data or voice/text/data then that would help spread out amortization/installment over a 2/3/4 year contract.
Although I see that occuring once Apple has its own 5G cellular modem to cut out the Qualcomm licensing fees.
It’s a really bad idea to buy this toy on credit. But no doubt that’s exactly what Apple wants you to do.
VisionOS is a version of iOS. We all know that iOS can’t run MacOS apps, so the answer to the question is obviously “no, it can’t run MacOS apps” and probably never will.
Maybe, maybe not... there were rumours earlier this year that macOS apps would be able to be run on the iPad similar to what has happened to the iPad apps on macOS. It would not take much - they could just implement the Virtualization Framework that is on macOS and allow macOS to run in it... the M2 in it would have more than enough power to run macOS.
It has looked to me for many years they are in a long-term project to unify macOS and iPadOS - for future devices that will use a spectrum of OS features rather than two independent camps with nothing inbetween. (i.e. spacing out the menu bar items making it have just enough space for a finger tip, unifying the design language and having a similar settings setup etc.).
I think it will take a lot more than that. iOS is a closed platform. MacOS is not. No doubt VisionOS will be closed too.
Not really, not only because you are going to be even more locked into the apple walled garden I really dont see it running docker nor be just a screen playing something when I do exercise, cleaning,...
Aside from the cost and that Gen Z can't afford rent, the youngest generation you list have rejected all the latest fads and trends the tech sector tried to push on them. They are happy with social media posts but have taken up real world activities to show off on social media such as dancing, stitching, sewing, drawing, painting, nature walks.
They do not like virtual reality except for small tastes. It failed to take on with them. They have become enamoured with a past they never got to experience and that they are afraid of losing, including the planet.
Virtual reality and meta verses are anathema to their desires because it means more isolation, more disconnection, less physical pleasures.
Fantasy stuff. Out of touch with reality. You cannot wear those goggles all day every day without leaving marks on your face. Displacement of facial tissues are a fact. Oculus users already complain about it.
Of course you might say 'oh but eventually they will be just like normal glasses' but that's speculation and an extremely difficult thing to pull off. Every attempt to look like normal glasses looks like **** and nobody wants to look like ****.
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