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fisherking

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It goes for a lot of other apps too; Dictionary/Thesaurus comes to mind, also stocks and weather.
I'm sure there are workarounds, but I'm also sure Dashboard is incredibly ****ing good and not "outdated" at all.

and yet, it's been abandoned. so the choice is to stay on an older OS, or move forward, and find other ways to access a calculator, etc. whatever works.
 

Ritsuka

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Foreign residents like my self ( Aussie ) in Japan value the Unit Converter for getting exchange rates, temperature conversion - America still doesn't like metric etc. Weather is gone. Flights Tracker too !

Spotlight can do all the conversions. Weather is in Notification Center. Flights Tracker can be done in Spotlight too.
 

Fried Chicken

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no harm in that, but.. no harm in letting go either. anyway, i'd guess that 99% of mac users will not go to the trouble, and will explore other ways of doing what they've done in dashboard.
Or apple could stop ******** on their loyalists
 

fisherking

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Or apple could stop ******** on their loyalists

if apple did everything every apple user wanted, it would be pure chaos. everyone has an opinion on how things should be, and it's impossible to please everyone. but am sure you know that.

things change, and we adapt... or don't. so maybe... it's time to let go of this, and get on with it. just a thought!
 
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Fried Chicken

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if apple did everything every apple user wanted, it would be pure chaos. everyone has an opinion on how things should be, and it's impossible to please everyone. but am sure you know that.

things change, and we adapt... or don't. so maybe... it's time to let go of this, and get on with it. just a
thought!

This thinking is absurd. This is a type of brave-new-world esque mentality; You going to suggest I take some soma to accept the changes that come from on high?

Apple has always listened to their customers (but always pretended not to). We're not talking about the removal of the floppy drive or the CD-Drive, we're talking about a basic feature of an operating system that continues to be hugely useful and there is no reason to remove it what so ever. So what, pay the engineer $100k to make dashboard 64-bit and meet whatever other asinine requirements apple demands of their OS.

Here's what Windows is capable of:
https://www.techradar.com/news/soft...that-still-somehow-work-on-windows-10-1299300

And who cares if you have to pay some software developer $100k to spend a year working to bring dashboard up to scratch with Catalina. Is that where apple should really be doing the cost cutting? No. It's absurd, stupid, and overshadows a much deeper misunderstanding about what the Mac is, or at least should be.
 

fisherking

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This thinking is absurd. This is a type of brave-new-world esque mentality; You going to suggest I take some soma to accept the changes that come from on high?

Apple has always listened to their customers (but always pretended not to). We're not talking about the removal of the floppy drive or the CD-Drive, we're talking about a basic feature of an operating system that continues to be hugely useful and there is no reason to remove it what so ever. So what, pay the engineer $100k to make dashboard 64-bit and meet whatever other asinine requirements apple demands of their OS.

Here's what Windows is capable of:
https://www.techradar.com/news/soft...that-still-somehow-work-on-windows-10-1299300

And who cares if you have to pay some software developer $100k to spend a year working to bring dashboard up to scratch with Catalina. Is that where apple should really be doing the cost cutting? No. It's absurd, stupid, and overshadows a much deeper misunderstanding about what the Mac is, or at least should be.

it's a basic feature in your opinion, and unneeded in apple's. and am sure there are ppl on this forum who feel differently, and would argue that the optical drive (or, for that matter, the floppy drive) are (or were) more important than dashboard.

it's all opinion, not fact.but this:

'It's absurd, stupid, and overshadows a much deeper misunderstanding about what the Mac is, or at least should be";

the mac, the OS... is whatever apple thinks it should be, at any given time. and we buy into it, or don't. how you feel about it won't bring dashboard back; apple will do that, if apple decides to do that. meanwhile... it's gone.
 

auxbuss

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Foreign residents like my self ( Aussie ) in Japan value the Unit Converter for getting exchange rates, temperature conversion - America still doesn't like metric etc. Weather is gone. Flights Tracker too !

For conversions – I use them endlessly too – Spotlight is quick and simple. e.g. `25 usd in aud` for exchange rate conversions, or just `1000 yen` for fex rates. `100f gives` 37.78C.

Weather is in the Notification Centre.
 

Fried Chicken

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For conversions – I use them endlessly too – Spotlight is quick and simple. e.g. `25 usd in aud` for exchange rate conversions, or just `1000 yen` for fex rates. `100f gives` 37.78C.

Weather is in the Notification Centre.
Compare the simplicity of dashboard to all the other ways of using it. A single click, or hot corner, or keyboard button, vs..... running around
 

auxbuss

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Compare the simplicity of dashboard to all the other ways of using it. A single click, or hot corner, or keyboard button, vs..... running around
It only requires `cmd+space` to use Spotlight. Your hands never leave the keyboard. The above queries take far less than one second.

Aside: I'm interested, do you (and others in favour of dashboard) use Spotlight and/or Navigation Centre?
 

Fried Chicken

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It only requires `cmd+space` to use Spotlight. Your hands never leave the keyboard. The above queries take far less than one second.

Aside: I'm interested, do you (and others in favour of dashboard) use Spotlight and/or Navigation Centre?
a single click from my center mouse button gives me:
The weather, stocks, the calendar, the time (around the world), and whatever else I might need, laid out exactly the way I like it.
 

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a single click from my center mouse button gives me:
The weather, stocks, the calendar, the time (around the world), and whatever else I might need, laid out exactly the way I like it.
Arguing with people who either never heard about dashboard until now or never actually used dashboard before is kinda useless. Right now the best we can do is to get some sort of replacement of dashboard. Floating widgets. Custom desktop with web apps. I think there are still chances to either recreate dashboard or port dashboard to Catalina without Apple. Just let those guys who knows only spotlight search and notification centre go.

I turn off notification on my Mac entirely, because I hate it. I rarely invoke Notification Centre, because again, it is useless for me. If I want something I go google or pick up iPhone. No big deal and experience might be better. I don’t use dashboard so I don’t miss it, but with Apple’s Direction towards future, we have to take the matter on our own hands.
 

Ritsuka

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Anyway, there is nothing preventing a third party from making a Dashboard clone, or from getting Konfabulator back to life.

If there is enough interested, someone will make it for sure.
 

Janichsan

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The OS is still in beta and people are making software to bring back a feature that was removed (one that took basically no resources).
Not really. Amnesty is at this point almost six years old already. It's existence is definitely no reaction to the removal of Dashboard in Catalina.
 
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fisherking

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Arguing with people who either never heard about dashboard until now or never actually used dashboard before is kinda useless. Right now the best we can do is to get some sort of replacement of dashboard. Floating widgets. Custom desktop with web apps. I think there are still chances to either recreate dashboard or port dashboard to Catalina without Apple. Just let those guys who knows only spotlight search and notification centre go.

I turn off notification on my Mac entirely, because I hate it. I rarely invoke Notification Centre, because again, it is useless for me. If I want something I go google or pick up iPhone. No big deal and experience might be better. I don’t use dashboard so I don’t miss it, but with Apple’s Direction towards future, we have to take the matter on our own hands.

i never get notifications; i never have (i have 'do not disturb' set from 12:01am to 12:00am). but if i need, say, a calculator, i hit command-option-N, and the notification center pops up, and i do what i need to do; simple. i have forecast bar in the menubar; the current weather is always in front of me (and i can click on that to get details, and an extended prediction).

there are ppl above pointing out the options in, for example, spotlight.

so, since it's gone, this is a chance to explore other ways of doing what one did in dashboard; complaining on a web forum won't bring it back.
 
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Fried Chicken

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i never get notifications; i never have (i have 'do not disturb' set from 12:01am to 12:00am). but if i need, say, a calculator, i hit command-option-N, and the notification center pops up, and i do what i need to do; simple. i have forecast bar in the menubar; the current weather is always in front of me (and i can click on that to get details, and an extended prediction).

there are ppl above pointing out the options in, for example, spotlight.

so, since it's gone, this is a chance to explore other ways of doing what one did in dashboard; complaining on a web forum won't bring it back.
If someone gets a way to keep it running in Catalina, yes it will.
I have also complained on apple’s feedback page.
 

Fried Chicken

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got it. but in the present, you'll have to decide if dashboard is enough of a reason to not move forward with the OS; that's the choice you get to make.
Yeah; I’m sticking with Mojave/High Sierra, no question.

Catalina already sounds like it will be a disaster OS (just like all the other feature heavy updates, Lion, Yosemite, Leopard, etc)
 

fisherking

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Yeah; I’m sticking with Mojave/High Sierra, no question.

Catalina already sounds like it will be a disaster OS (just like all the other feature heavy updates, Lion, Yosemite, Leopard, etc)

why will catalina be a disaster? because it has growing pains in beta? and what about all the macusers who had perfectly fine experiences in lion, yosemite, or leopard??

stick with what you want. but somewhere down the line, when you can't log in to your bank, or want (or need) some new feature (or, for that matter, a new mac) you'll move forward... just like you did to get to mojave.
 

Fried Chicken

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why will catalina be a disaster? because it has growing pains in beta? and what about all the macusers who had perfectly fine experiences in lion, yosemite, or leopard??

stick with what you want. but somewhere down the line, when you can't log in to your bank, or want (or need) some new feature (or, for that matter, a new mac) you'll move forward... just like you did to get to mojave.
I stuck with Snow Leopard as long as possible, then Mavericks as long as possible, then El Cap, now High Sierra/Mojave.

Right now the only thing keeping me attached to the Mac is the ecosystem and the hardware, which is a sad state of affairs.

I jumped on the Mac with Panther because it was simply superior in every way to what the wintel world offered. Now apple seems to be abandoning the Mac at every step they can, and/or crippling it/making ****. And by **** I mean: the touchbar, all USB-C configurations, Photos, abandoning Dashboard, the terrible display server, no good replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro, slow core applications like Mail, a stupidly priced Mac Pro, the 2013 Mac Pro, no apple display offerings (the expensive beast is only recent and doesn’t count), removal of magsafe, removal of the startup chime, pushing this “post-PC” world (“what’s a computer”), lackluster adoption of new technology for personal computers (i.e. thin bezels on computers), abandoning “old” software support (iPhoto, iMovie, etc.), a myriad of bugs that are unacceptable for a PC operating system, and to top it all off there are rumblings of an architecture change from x86/x64 to ARM.

None of those points even mention the degradation of the intangibles: the mac no longer feels special, the hardware is boring and meh, the innovation is going away.
 

fisherking

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I stuck with Snow Leopard as long as possible, then Mavericks as long as possible, then El Cap, now High Sierra/Mojave.

Right now the only thing keeping me attached to the Mac is the ecosystem and the hardware, which is a sad state of affairs.

I jumped on the Mac with Panther because it was simply superior in every way to what the wintel world offered. Now apple seems to be abandoning the Mac at every step they can, and/or crippling it/making ****. And by **** I mean: the touchbar, all USB-C configurations, Photos, abandoning Dashboard, the terrible display server, no good replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro, slow core applications like Mail, a stupidly priced Mac Pro, the 2013 Mac Pro, no apple display offerings (the expensive beast is only recent and doesn’t count), removal of magsafe, removal of the startup chime, pushing this “post-PC” world (“what’s a computer”), lackluster adoption of new technology for personal computers (i.e. thin bezels on computers), abandoning “old” software support (iPhoto, iMovie, etc.), a myriad of bugs that are unacceptable for a PC operating system, and to top it all off there are rumblings of an architecture change from x86/x64 to ARM.

None of those points even mention the degradation of the intangibles: the mac no longer feels special, the hardware is boring and meh, the innovation is going away.

o_O there are no words.... :eek:
 
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