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Fried Chicken

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or maybe you'll get tired of ranting, and life will go on. yes, all your problems were caused by tim cook :D
It's quite frustrating for apple loyalists; not that that's a badge to be proud of, but holy hell it's frustrating seeing something you've loved so much get torn apart
 

Fried Chicken

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ooh, if there's a website, then it must all be true! :D
Do you dispute the documented points Lloyd Chambers brings up?

Not just him, but many apple bloggers/podcasters have brought up the problem of an increasingly buggy operating system. I'm not just speaking out of my ass here, and it's not merely an opinion like "the sky is pretty"
 

fisherking

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Do you dispute the documented points Lloyd Chambers brings up?

Not just him, but many apple bloggers/podcasters have brought up the problem of an increasingly buggy operating system. I'm not just speaking out of my ass here, and it's not merely an opinion like "the sky is pretty"

what about all the macusers who are having good experiences on mac OS (am not talking about the catalina beta, which is... a beta). the real world is a really big place, and it's filled with people who love their macs, hate their macs, are indifferent, etc etc etc. meanwhile (check, for example, the mojave forum), many people are getting their work done, some have issues, and so on, just as it's always been.

life takes place in the real world, where we all don't have the same experiences, and where many (myself included) use mac os and are happy. and a handful of unhappy people does not define the larger group.
 

Fried Chicken

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what about all the macusers who are having good experiences on mac OS (am not talking about the catalina beta, which is... a beta). the real world is a really big place, and it's filled with people who love their macs, hate their macs, are indifferent, etc etc etc. meanwhile (check, for example, the mojave forum), many people are getting their work done, some have issues, and so on, just as it's always been.

life takes place in the real world, where we all don't have the same experiences, and where many (myself included) use mac os and are happy. and a handful of unhappy people does not define the larger group.
That’s because people for whom OS breaking bugs are unacceptable have already, either of their own accord or not, jumped ship. I won’t disagree that there are many Mac users very happy, but the use case that apple is catering to is increasingly narrowing, mostly focusing on video, photo, and music production, and people who do web browsing and PDF stuff. The Macintosh, the computer, as a powerhouse, is being destroyed by the forces governing the decision making inside apple. Again “What’s a computer”.

The removal of Dashboard exemplifies another step in that direction. If your use case is Weather, Stocks, and Calculator, people say “Well notification center + spotlight does the same thing”. That’s true, but that’s also not what dashboard is about. While Steve created Dashboard as a means to test the waters of applet distribution in preparation for the iPhone (think about it), it’s also an incredibly powerful tool that like any good tool on a computer can do pretty much anything.

Watch the introduction of Dashboard:

Weather isn’t even first pulled up, we see the calculator, the flight tracker, a calendar, the dictionary, the thesaurus, stocks, the translator, the unit converter, yellow pages (this is 2005 remember), then the weather, then ebay.

To quote Steve: “The architecture for these widgets is completely open, so we’ve got hundreds of developers developing widgets”. No amount of Spotlight, built in apps, notification center can compete with Dashboard. It’s not an apt comparison. You talk about the “real world”, and I don’t know what “real world” you’re talking about. If I had to guess, and this is really getting philosophical here, you’re talking about the Brave-New-World - esque idea of accepting apple as the creator of the “real world”. Let me tell you, it’s definitely not the “real world”.

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Bringing things back to earth, here’s a screenshot of my Dashboard how I use it:
 

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fisherking

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That’s because people for whom OS breaking bugs are unacceptable have already, either of their own accord or not, jumped ship. I won’t disagree that there are many Mac users very happy, but the use case that apple is catering to is increasingly narrowing, mostly focusing on video, photo, and music production, and people who do web browsing and PDF stuff. The Macintosh, the computer, as a powerhouse, is being destroyed by the forces governing the decision making inside apple. Again “What’s a computer”.

The removal of Dashboard exemplifies another step in that direction. If your use case is Weather, Stocks, and Calculator, people say “Well notification center + spotlight does the same thing”. That’s true, but that’s also not what dashboard is about. While Steve created Dashboard as a means to test the waters of applet distribution in preparation for the iPhone (think about it), it’s also an incredibly powerful tool that like any good tool on a computer can do pretty much anything.

Watch the introduction of Dashboard:

Weather isn’t even first pulled up, we see the calculator, the flight tracker, a calendar, the dictionary, the thesaurus, stocks, the translator, the unit converter, yellow pages (this is 2005 remember), then the weather, then ebay.

To quote Steve: “The architecture for these widgets is completely open, so we’ve got hundreds of developers developing widgets”. No amount of Spotlight, built in apps, notification center can compete with Dashboard. It’s not an apt comparison. You talk about the “real world”, and I don’t know what “real world” you’re talking about. If I had to guess, and this is really getting philosophical here, you’re talking about the Brave-New-World - esque idea of accepting apple as the creator of the “real world”. Let me tell you, it’s definitely not the “real world”.

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Bringing things back to earth, here’s a screenshot of my Dashboard how I use it:

because how you personally see this is really all that matters? o_O the real world is so much bigger than what you (or i) think. i'll leave it alone now, since you've got it all figured out :D
 

iamdavid

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If you don't like it, go and buy Windows. I hear it sort of works these days. My Mac is getting better and better, faster and faster, an old Mac Pro5,1 running beta 6 of Catalina faster than it runs Mojave...

In the meantime, can anyone help with converting widgets to apps. Amnesty is simply too unreliable and no longer supported.
 

Planey28

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If you don't like it, go and buy Windows.

Windows, which lost its widgets “gadgets” years ago in Windows 8.

The vast majority of people didn’t care about Dashboard or use it. I doubt many even know it existed.

Yes I know, a few here loved it and are roaming at the mouth that it’s gone. I’d suggest to try either adjusting to spotlight and NC widgets, or finding an old version of Konfabulator. Or move to Windows, which has no widget engine anyway.
 

mikeboss

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the source code of "Amnesty" is available on GitHub, maybe somebody is willing to take over..?

 

Salazes123

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I am sad, i was using it every day for Sticky Notes, iStat, Currency converter...I just realized my Dashboard was missing after upgrading to Catalina.
What are the free alternatives ?
 

Vlad Soare

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I think it's finally gone.
let's hope so :D
I don't get this kind of posts. The dashboard could be easily deactivated if you didn't like it. Was its mere existence really so much of a chore to you to warrant such a joy that it's gone? "Finally"? "Let's hope so"?
Really? Were you really so annoyed and frustrated by this little feature (which was in fact invisible to you once you deactivated it) that you were actually hoping for it to go? ?
I can understand why someone might have found it useless. But to rejoice in its discontinuance, as if its mere presence had been a pain in the arse, is beyond me.
 

fisherking

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I don't get this kind of posts. The dashboard could be easily deactivated if you didn't like it. Was its mere existence really so much of a chore to you to warrant such a joy that it's gone? "Finally"? "Let's hope so"?
Really? Were you really so annoyed and frustrated by this little feature (which was in fact invisible to you once you deactivated it) that you were actually hoping for it to go? ?
I can understand why someone might have found it useless. But to rejoice in its discontinuance, as if its mere presence had been a pain in the arse, is beyond me.

seriously, am sorry if you miss it, just as some miss coverflow, or the notes app looking like a yellow pad. apple changes what it wants, and we adapt... or not.

finding alternative apps is the way to go, IF you want to be on catalina. there are apps, and life will go on... and apple will continue to do what all developers do; change things up.
 

Vlad Soare

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OK, I understand I must adapt, and I will. But I don't understand why some people were hoping for it to get discontinued and are now so very happy that it did. As if it had been a nuisance.
 

fisherking

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OK, I understand I must adapt, and I will. But I don't understand why some people were hoping for it to get discontinued and are now so very happy that it did. As if its mere existence had been some nuisance.

i think some people (i must include myself, to be fair), see a good OS as something streamlined, tight. so it's like having a sleek sportscar, but someone added shag carpeting...
 

redheeler

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i think some people (i must include myself, to be fair), see a good OS as something streamlined, tight. so it's like having a sleek sportscar, but someone added shag carpeting...
Except that Dashboard wasn't turned on by default in the newer versions of MacOS (starting with Yosemite or El Capitan). You never even noticed it was there unless you wanted to use it, and it took up a negligible amount of space on the hard drive. Your analogy makes no sense here.
 
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fisherking

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Except that Dashboard wasn't turned on by default in the newer versions of MacOS (starting with Yosemite or El Capitan). You never even noticed it was there unless you wanted to use it, and it took up a negligible amount of space on the hard drive. Your analogy makes no sense here.

hmm... makes sense to me. siri, other options exist in the OS (that i don't use), and am not arguing their relevance. but i stand by my comments.
 

Vlad Soare

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i think some people (i must include myself, to be fair), see a good OS as something streamlined, tight. so it's like having a sleek sportscar, but someone added shag carpeting...
I see your point, and actually I do relate to it, as I'm the kind of guy who values such little trifles that confer elegance and beauty.
That being said, in this particular case I don't think it applies. The shag carpet is something you would see each and every time. The dashboard, on the other hand, was hidden. If you were new to macOS and installed a fresh copy, you wouldn't even know it existed, unless someone told you about it. Even if you knew about it, once disabled nothing would ever remind you of it again.
If we use your sports car analogy, it's like you were particularly annoyed because the front dampers were held in place by five screws, and you found that the fifth screw somehow broke the beautiful symmetry of the other four. OK, I can understand the love of symmetry, but come on, who cares about a hidden screw underneath the bonnet enough to even acknowledge its existence, let alone to wish for its removal?
 
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motrek

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Thanks for the tips pointing me to Notification Center. I used Dashboard mostly to just look at a monthly view of the calendar. ("Meeting on the 6th? What day of the week is that?" and so forth.) It's a small thing but useful to be able to do with one keypress, and not having to launch an entire other program. I also used it occasionally to check the weather in different cities and/or the time in different time zones. Looks like Notification Center can take care of all of this for me now.
 
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