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FrankB1191

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I don't have a smart phone, but have an iPad 4, Mini, iPod 5G, rMBP, and a Samsung tablet. My Apple devices are all silenced, because I don't want anyone to know they're on, or that I have emails, messages, etc. The Apple devices turn on silently, but that damn Samsung chirps out an announcement whenever it's turned on (which is almost never at this point). Maybe someone could ask n Apple rep why their phones don't yell to you when you get a notification. There might be a reasonable answer. Some may not like Apple devices, but the people designing the products aren't idiots.... Yes, I know someone will say yes they are. :D :rolleyes:
 

THE JUICEMAN

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You know, this is off/on topic but why does apple leave it to the developers to add notification sounds to their app? 90% off apps don't put the effort in and just use the default. I think we all know what that is....tri tone. UGH. Can't change it. So, twitter, FB, Instagram, tapatalk, group me and countless others all make the same noise. Smh
 

jtfolden

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Jul 16, 2002
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Springfield, Ohio
You know, this is off/on topic but why does apple leave it to the developers to add notification sounds to their app? 90% off apps don't put the effort in and just use the default. I think we all know what that is....tri tone. UGH. Can't change it. So, twitter, FB, Instagram, tapatalk, group me and countless others all make the same noise. Smh

FB makes a different noise on my phone... wish I could change it.
 

THE JUICEMAN

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Oct 3, 2007
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Dear Apple: Get notifications right!

FB makes a different noise on my phone... wish I could change it.

Oh has FB changed the tone? I think I silenced all the ones that have the tri tone so I don't have to hear it for the 7th year in a row
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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Great example C DM so let's look at that example with both types of phones.

iPhone:

I walk by the room and wonder if I missed anything, proceed to pick up my phone, wake it up and check. If I did miss an event I would respond to it then or just contact the person later if not I lock the phone and put it back down.

Smartphone with LED indicator:

I walk by the room and see a blinking light. This blinking light may be able to tell me if its a missed call, missed e-mail or missed text but it cannot tell me of its importance. Do I keep walking? should I check it? maybe it's important?

Michael made it clear to me that you can customize the LED light's blinking pattern to indicate if a specific person is trying to contact you.

In that scenario I walk by the room and notice the blinking light is telling me that my wife texted me. Do I ignore it and walk on or answer?

Both scenarios end in the same way. The user picks up the phone to view an event.




Phone is laying on table, I walk pass phone and just glance at it while pulling bag out of the trash can. I go out for maybe 5 minutes to take out trash and quickly chat with someone. Come back in, walk pass phone, and notice the LED notification blinking. Check the phone and it's actually an important call I just missed, but of course I didn't hear it cause I was outside. I had absolutely no intention of checking my phone anytime soon if I didn't see the LED flashing.

Another day similar situation. Phone lying on armrest, and I'm lying on couch watching TV with my head next to opposite side armrest. I sit up for a quick second to turn the lamp light off and notice on the other side of the couch is the LED notification blinking. I check phone and it's a text that I have been waiting for all day about an order from UPS. It's a "pick up is ready" text, and good thing I caught it just an hour before they cut off the pick up line. Reason I didn't hear is cause I was at a meeting earlier and put the phone on silent. I had forgot to put sound back on and since the phone was lying on a soft armrest cushion, I didn't feel or hear it vibrate.

Every morning I wake up ....... Glance at phone, if no LED notification (except "fully charged" LED notify, then I'm not checking it right away. Waste of time, and time goes super fast when getting ready in the morning.

These are my real life LED notify stories. Stay tuned for actor dramatization.
 

Armen

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Certaibly both scenarios wouldn't end up the same way for a lot of people. In one case I definitely have to walk over to the phone and use it to see if I missed anything of importance, in the other case if I don't see a notification light flashing (or don't see one for a missed call if I'm expecting a call) then I don't have to bother even walking up to the phone, let alone actually using it for any period of time. There's a difference.

The group of smartphone users that would benefit from the LED notification light the most are a small minority compared to the groups below which make up the majority.

- The Smartphone Addict: This person looks at their phone every chance they get even if there are no notifications. They are constantly checking Facebook, Instagram and other social apps for updates. A study was done on this group. The average user checks their phone once at least every 5 minutes. (this group would not need an LED notification light)

- The Set it Forget it: This person has had enough of technology for the day, comes home and turns off their phone or puts it away and doesn't look at it for the rest of the night. (this group could benefit from the LED notifications if they happen to actually glance at their phone when they pass by it).

- I'm Neo plug me in: This person is connected to the world and internet 24/7. Their smartphone is always within an arms reach, visual range or audio range. I am this person. I will not check my phone every 5 minutes but if/when that screen lights up I always catch it from the corner of my eye (even when its in my cup holder in my car when I'm driving). The LED notification light would not make my life any easier or better.

Everyone fits into one of these groups.

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Phone is laying on table, I walk pass phone and just glance at it while pulling bag out of the trash can. I go out for maybe 5 minutes to take out trash and quickly chat with someone. Come back in, walk pass phone, and notice the LED notification blinking. Check the phone and it's actually an important call I just missed, but of course I didn't hear it cause I was outside. I had absolutely no intention of checking my phone anytime soon if I didn't see the LED flashing.

Another day similar situation. Phone lying on armrest, and I'm lying on couch watching TV with my head next to opposite side armrest. I sit up for a quick second to turn the lamp light off and notice on the other side of the couch is the LED notification blinking. I check phone and it's a text that I have been waiting for all day about an order from UPS. It's a "pick up is ready" text, and good thing I caught it just an hour before they cut off the pick up line. Reason I didn't hear is cause I was at a meeting earlier and put the phone on silent. I had forgot to put sound back on and since the phone was lying on a soft armrest cushion, I didn't feel or hear it vibrate.

Every morning I wake up ....... Glance at phone, if no LED notification (except "fully charged" LED notify, then I'm not checking it right away. Waste of time, and time goes super fast when getting ready in the morning.

These are my real life LED notify stories. Stay tuned for actor dramatization.

If you read the post I did about different types of smartphone users and their habits you would see how people are different.

Taking out the trash scenario: I would bring my phone outside with me because you never know, I may miss a call.

UPS alert : If I was waiting for a UPS alert the phone would be within visual range. Heck, I'd probably pick it up a few times to double check anyway because I'm waiting for an important text.

Morning scenario- I wake up, I unplug the charger, I unlock my phone and glance through NC..nothing urgent but I see what I have to respond to, put it down and take a shower.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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If you read the post I did about different types of smartphone users and their habits you would see how people are different.

Taking out the trash scenario: I would bring my phone outside with me because you never know, I may miss a call.

UPS alert : If I was waiting for a UPS alert the phone would be within visual range. Heck, I'd probably pick it up a few times to double check anyway because I'm waiting for an important text.

Morning scenario- I wake up, I unplug the charger, I unlock my phone and glance through NC..nothing urgent but I see what I have to respond to, put it down and take a shower.

That sounds like the younger version of me. I bet you in your late teens early twenties.
 

Neverbepeace

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Jan 14, 2009
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^ I definitely see both points. Apple forced their customers to constantly check the phone for any type of messages. Before you know, it becomes second nature to constantly check for notifications.

Having a notification light is definitely convenient. I also think androids notifications are great. I love the fact that all notifications appear in the status bar:cool:

Where in iOS, if you decide to check it later and unlock the phone...the notification disappears.....leaving you to rely on your "hippocampus"

Which isn't a bad thing.....but not a good thing either lol.
 

Vetvito

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Sep 30, 2012
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As a prime example a tap talk quote notification is continuing to clutter my notification center after I have clicked on it, went to the app, viewed the notification and closed the app. Why? I think this is a developer issue. It does this on other apps too including when my tweets have been favorited. Very frustrating. *goes to double tap the little x*. First works pains I know.

This is my biggest grips with my iPhone! All of my apps do this! It's irritating as hell
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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The group of smartphone users that would benefit from the LED notification light the most are a small minority compared to the groups below which make up the majority.

- The Smartphone Addict: This person looks at their phone every chance they get even if there are no notifications. They are constantly checking Facebook, Instagram and other social apps for updates. A study was done on this group. The average user checks their phone once at least every 5 minutes. (this group would not need an LED notification light)

- The Set it Forget it: This person has had enough of technology for the day, comes home and turns off their phone or puts it away and doesn't look at it for the rest of the night. (this group could benefit from the LED notifications if they happen to actually glance at their phone when they pass by it).

- I'm Neo plug me in: This person is connected to the world and internet 24/7. Their smartphone is always within an arms reach, visual range or audio range. I am this person. I will not check my phone every 5 minutes but if/when that screen lights up I always catch it from the corner of my eye (even when its in my cup holder in my car when I'm driving). The LED notification light would not make my life any easier or better.

Everyone fits into one of these groups.

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If you read the post I did about different types of smartphone users and their habits you would see how people are different.

Taking out the trash scenario: I would bring my phone outside with me because you never know, I may miss a call.

UPS alert : If I was waiting for a UPS alert the phone would be within visual range. Heck, I'd probably pick it up a few times to double check anyway because I'm waiting for an important text.

Morning scenario- I wake up, I unplug the charger, I unlock my phone and glance through NC..nothing urgent but I see what I have to respond to, put it down and take a shower.
So you are arguing for doing the more complicated/complex things (like taking the phone with you all the time, checking it all the time, etc.) vs. much simpler things of not needing to do that if you don't want/need to. Clearly the argument for having to do more vs. less can't hold its own by definition.

Just because people are addicted to their phones and do some unnecessary things by default now doesn't mean that's a good thing and can actually mean that's at least partially as a result of the phone they've been using requiring them to do it because it wasn't designed as well as it could be in that respect. Being used to something that can be better isn't really an argument against improving it (it can actually be seen as evidence for it).
 

Armen

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Apr 30, 2013
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So you are arguing for doing the more complicated/complex things (like taking the phone with you all the time, checking it all the time, etc.) vs. much simpler things of not needing to do that if you don't want/need to. Clearly the argument for having to do more vs. less can't hold its own by definition.

Just because people are addicted to their phones and do some unnecessary things by default now doesn't mean that's a good thing and can actually mean that's at least partially as a result of the phone they've been using requiring them to do it because it wasn't designed as well as it could be in that respect. Being used to something that can be better isn't really an argument against improving it (it can actually be seen as evidence for it).

The LED indicator light never became a standard feature on smartphones. If it had we wouldn't be habitually checking our phones to see if we missed anything.

I just don't see Apple implementing this because:

Blinking lights are just not luxurious and don't fit well in a premium product. Probably explains why the KIA Soul has flashing lights in the cup holder and speakers and a Mercedes Benz does not. I just think its tacky.
 

jtfolden

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Jul 16, 2002
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Springfield, Ohio
The LED indicator light never became a standard feature on smartphones. If it had we wouldn't be habitually checking our phones to see if we missed anything.

I just don't see Apple implementing this because:

Blinking lights are just not luxurious and don't fit well in a premium product. Probably explains why the KIA Soul has flashing lights in the cup holder and speakers and a Mercedes Benz does not. I just think its tacky.

So every power light that slowly blinks to let you know your Mac is sleeping means it is a dead common, tacky PC...
 

Armen

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So every power light that slowly blinks to let you know your Mac is sleeping means it is a dead common, tacky PC...

Your argument is invalid. LED lights on a computer are standard and essential for its operation. That's like saying a car is tacky because it has a blinker light for when you make a turn.
 
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jtfolden

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Jul 16, 2002
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Springfield, Ohio
invalid argument. A computer needs lights to tell you if it's actually working or not. you know? like the power LED?

You mean you can't just turn on the screen as you do on a phone? Lol

It's not invalid at all. A blinking power led is a NOTIFICATION led. In this case it's specialized to notify about a very specific status but it's the same thing.

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Your argument is invalid. LED lights on a computer are a standard and essential for its operation.

Essential? You mean the computer would stop running without it? Smartphones are computers. Don't let the form factor fool you.
 

Armen

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You mean you can't just turn on the screen as you do on a phone? Lol

It's not invalid at all. A blinking power led is a NOTIFICATION led. In this case it's specialized to notify about a very specific status but it's the same thing.

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Essential? You mean the computer would stop running without it? Smartphones are computers. Don't let the form factor fool you.

LED indicators in a computer are essential to interact with its operators. Give me one example of a computer/server/rack that does not have any type of LED indicator to confirm its functioning. Are people supposed to stick their tongues to the motherboard to know they are working?

Smartphones are computers too but we have different ways of getting notifications on them so LED indicator light is not essential for interaction.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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The LED indicator light never became a standard feature on smartphones. If it had we wouldn't be habitually checking our phones to see if we missed anything.

I just don't see Apple implementing this because:

Blinking lights are just not luxurious and don't fit well in a premium product. Probably explains why the KIA Soul has flashing lights in the cup holder and speakers and a Mercedes Benz does not. I just think its tacky.
So, again, it's a good idea to always be grabbing our phone to check if we missed anything when there are fairly straightforward solutions available to make it all so much simpler? Just because it hasn't become a standard doesn't in any way make the current standard (that can clearly be improved) better or even good.

The whole thing about other useless lights on car parts is quite irrelevant given that not only do they appear to be useless but they are also in a context of a car which is a completely different device that serves completely different purposes compared to something like a mobile phone.

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LED indicators in a computer are essential to interact with its operators. Give me one example of a computer/server/rack that does not have any type of LED indicator to confirm its functioning. Are people supposed to stick their tongues to the motherboard to know they are working?

Smartphones are computers too but we have different ways of getting notifications on them so LED indicator light is not essential for interaction.
I don't think anything is exactly essential, but just like our lives would be that much more complex if some devices like computers/servers/routers didn't have indicator lights and we always would have to turn them on and log into them to check on some basic status things, our lives would be that much simpler if some basis status things that are inherent to a mobile phone would be represented in a similar manner.

There's clearly no rational argument to say that it wouldn't be an improvement, even if not everyone would end up using it and even if it's not an "accepted standard" so far (which again doesn't actually really say anything about the usefulness or even the necessity of something). There's really no point of trying to go back and forth on this part of it all.
 

otismotive77

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May 18, 2013
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agreed, iOS doesn't offer great notification features, but they did significantly improve in iOS7 and maybe iOS8 will bring everything you are missing
 

Assault

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Mar 19, 2013
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in the taint
The LED indicator light never became a standard feature on smartphones. If it had we wouldn't be habitually checking our phones to see if we missed anything.
really? So Blackberries never used notification LED's? Or Sony's. Or Samsung's? Or Nexus devices? Or HTC phones? Or LG? You know, the phones that make up 80% of all smartphone sales worldwide.
The fact is, LED Notification is a standard on all smart phones. But since the iPhone isn't much of a smartphone, more of a feature phone with a touch display, it fits right in where it belongs.
I just don't see Apple implementing this because:

Blinking lights are just not luxurious and don't fit well in a premium product. Probably explains why the KIA Soul has flashing lights in the cup holder and speakers and a Mercedes Benz does not. I just think its tacky.
Yet, a tacky gold iPhone will fit right in. :rolleyes: Sounds more like you are compensating for Apple's inferior technology and lack of innovation.

All that said, the Moto X does not have a notification LED, but their solution is absolutely perfect. I pull the phone out of my pocket and the screen pops on with my notifications. Put my phone on its wireless charger and it brings up the screensaver until a notification is received. Having the 'breathing' effect in the status bar is a nice touch. As long as you can see your phones display, from any reasonable distance, you will know if you have a notification. Although have a multi-coloired LED would have made this even better, but I'm guessing with all the wearable tech coming out in full force, this whole notification thing may become a moot point.

P.S. I fully expect Apple to copy and then attempt to patent MotoX's notification feature. Exactly what they did with Androids Notification Center and Blackberries Messenger service.
 
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appleisking

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The LED indicator light never became a standard feature on smartphones. If it had we wouldn't be habitually checking our phones to see if we missed anything.

I just don't see Apple implementing this because:

Blinking lights are just not luxurious and don't fit well in a premium product. Probably explains why the KIA Soul has flashing lights in the cup holder and speakers and a Mercedes Benz does not. I just think its tacky.

Rofl yup but I hate those god awful tail lights and head lights, they really take the decor out of that nice black shiny mercedes with that ugly yellow signal light. If I want to signal to turn, why can't I just use my hand why do I need that ugly yellow light. Anyway I don't particularly care either way that's the category I fall into.

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How do people on this thread feel about banners? Too interfering, or useful for an at a glance sort of thing? I like the idea of banners, on an android device I think I'd install a custom app/launcher thingy to modify the notifs by bringing in banners. Unless banners are already in android?
 
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