No one said it would be just like iOS. The point is you have options. With the iPhone you have only what Apple allows. I prefer options, and better notifications all together.
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Dear Apple: Get notifications right!
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No one said it would be just like iOS. The point is you have options. With the iPhone you have only what Apple allows. I prefer options, and better notifications all together.
This is the most important aspect of notification, and is missing
Just this particular aspect of notification is of utmost importance, but it is missing - aside from the option to let the LED flash one or two times, and if you didn't see that light flashing, that notification IS GONE -until you again have to touch the screen and thus must take an active action to look, which in many situations is not a proper thing to do.
Older Nokia phones like the Communicators have this option, naturally by having a grey screen at the outside screen, that shows you exactly what kind of messaging you have lost. And first and foremost: You do not have to touch the phone or any screen or and key to see it.
Apple iOS 7 should make a tiny part of the screen, allotted to this important function, as has been pointed out soooo clearly in this thread. It is a shame not to have this function, and it must be a practical/technological solution to get this function up and go.
Just this particular aspect of notification is of utmost importance, but it is missing - aside from the option to let the LED flash one or two times, and if you didn't see that light flashing, that notification IS GONE -until you again have to touch the screen and thus must take an active action to look, which in many situations is not a proper thing to do.
Older Nokia phones like the Communicators have this option, naturally by having a grey screen at the outside screen, that shows you exactly what kind of messaging you have lost. And first and foremost: You do not have to touch the phone or any screen or and key to see it.
Apple iOS 7 should make a tiny part of the screen, allotted to this important function, as has been pointed out soooo clearly in this thread. It is a shame not to have this function, and it must be a practical/technological solution to get this function up and go.
And in iOS 7 there's an option now for it to be available on the lock screen or not. Choices are good...isn't that actually one of the big things that Android is (or at least appears to be) about?
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Interesting, now Apple will give you a choice of having notification center available on the lock screen or not, while it seems like Android doesn't do that.
That's good to know because accessing notifications while your phone is supposed to be locked to prying eyes doesn't make much sense to me.
False, on Android you can install something that will give u lockscreen notifs like a launcher, nothing on ios will give you that functionality unless Apple gives it.
What you are missing is that there is the playstore where you can download an app that will allow you to have lock screen notifications. Sure it is not stock, but that really does not matter. Even if android does not offer it stock you can customize it the way you want. If iOS does not offer it you are S.O.L.
It matters to me for reasons I stated a couple of posts ago.
Either way, it's not a huge issue. Not for me at least, and it's certainly not a deal breaker for android, or else I'd chuck my GS4. It's just something iOS does much better. It's not the end of the world.
Same is true to iOS's notification indexing and organization in notification center. It's just more coherent.
Anyone that believes any one OS is going to do everything 100% better than another is naive or nuts.
What does iOS do better? Notification? I don't think you can say that. I like the way android does notification way better. If you are talking about lockscreen notifications then again you are talking about preference. I don't like lock screen notifications. You may, but that does not mean it I better any any way.
You prefer the less robust notification system. That's fine.
Reply to this post and a second later my iPhone will wake up with a Tapatalk Notification and show me the thread, and who is replying.
My GS4 will stay dead and give a blinking blue light...Less informative, zero glance and go functionality.
Hit the power button on the iPhone, and all my notifications are there for glance and go. iOS7 adds swipe down notification center as an option as well. That's 3 weeks away. On the lock screen I can choose the notification and go directly to the app.
My GS4 has no information at all on the lock screen. I get a status bar icons, and have to go into notification center. Less robust, slower, no glance and go, less functionality than iOS.
In Notification Center the Tapatalk notification will stay clustered with a other Tapatalk notifications, in a low priority position on my iPhone.
On my GS4 Tapatalk overshadows messages from my Wife and Work. Not a good thing. And I cant change the priority, so I have to dismiss it to get it out the way...Less control, non-existent indexing, less customization than iOS.
Had I been working on my iPhone a banner would have popped with a Tapatalk Notification that shows me the thread, and who is replying, and I could have clicked on it and gone directly to the app to respond.
On my GS4 I would get a status bar icon that is not actionable, so I would have to either A: pull down notification center and then click on the notification, or B: go to home screen, locate the App and then click on it. Less options, control and versatility than iOS.
What my GS4 does with notifications that I like, status bar icons, and being able to dismiss individual items. Other than that, I'd be hard pressed to find what's better about the android notification system.
But if that's what you prefer, that's what you prefer...
So you can setup an Android App to give you a popup instead of top banner notifications ??
I agree it comes down to personal preference, but unfortunately Android still doesnt control all Notifications properly and Apps still can do whatever they like in a wierd way ...
All you can do from Android System point of view is Enable/Disable notifications for an app ... From within an App you can select (depends on the dev) if you want a popup or not (like Whatsapp)
In iOS you have a proper central way of handling notifications and apps link in to the standard api to do that, hence the clean control.
Both platforms do it differently (even though it may seem similar), its not!
I agree it comes down to personal preference, but unfortunately Android still doesnt control all Notifications properly and Apps still can do whatever they like in a wierd way ...
All you can do from Android System point of view is Enable/Disable notifications for an app ... From within an App you can select (depends on the dev) if you want a popup or not (like Whatsapp)
In iOS you have a proper central way of handling notifications and apps link in to the standard api to do that, hence the clean control.
Both platforms do it differently (even though it may seem similar), its not!
Trying to make iOS sound better just because you like it better is just stupid. You like it better that is fine, but acting as if some how iOS is just miles ahead in the notification department is naive and dumb.
You want to talk about tapatalk. You get that notification on your lock screen on iOS, but when you slide to open it. It does not take you to that particular thread, but to the notification section of tapatalk with the bit of the thread that someone quoted to you on. On android you click on the notification just as I did with this, and it took me to the thread. I prefer being taken to the thread rather than the notification section.
Also you talked about banners. One of my least favorite thing about my iPhone 5, or any iPhone I have owned. Since iphones don't have a dedicated back button you need that space at the top of the screen to find the back button in the app. Let's say I am in the messaging app. I want to get out of the conversation I am in and go back, but at the same time my banner notification for tapatalk comes up. I don't want to respond to that right now, but I have to wait for it to go away to hit back. That does not seem to be that easy, or practical to me.
I simply stated that it is more of a preference in terms of what you are talking about, but you took that as let my show you how much better iOS notifications are than android. That is fine if you want to do that, but really not needed.
Isn't that the whole idea? That it's better for him? Which is ultimately what matters, because he's the one using the phone.
I am not sure what you mean about this. I just clicked on a tapatalk notification on my 4s' bar, it brings me right into the thread itself. There is a slight bug where it will default me to my quoted post, rather than the post of the user quoting me, but otherwise, I can respond, and click back as normal.
I definitely don't get sent back to the notification area.
You can quickly dismiss the banner by dragging down, than releasing up. Also, messages app will allow you to swipe to go back. I can see how it can be annoying though. I have had more than one occasion where I want to hit "back", a banner rolls in, and I accidentally end up tapping on the banner and exiting the app.
Just to clarify, I own both, with the GS4 being my main carry, and the iPhone 5 acting as an iPod Touch and tethered to the GS4.
Owning both, and living with both in hand daily, you REALLY see the differences between the two, and how NOT alike android and iOS are.
Android does some things better, and iOS does some things better, but I still carry a GS4.
The differences are nothing to get undies twisted over. It's all preference in the end.
In iOS 6 and before you can do it even quicker (at least for some) by sliding your finger from right to left across a part of the notification banner to dismiss it. In iOS 7 you can just quickly do it by flicking th notificstion banner up off the screen.
And in iOS 7 swiping right from the edge pretty much on any part of the screen to go back (and similar left to go forward) are standard gestures across the whole OS pretty much making using the actual back buttons/links less and less of a necessity.
Funny how derailed this thread got about led lights #
I current own an s4 and iPhone 5 and definitely side with the OP. Although I do prefer some things about iOS notifications like banners and the lock screen, I do like how android handles the notifications better. Actionable notifications and status bar icons are 2 things that would make iOS notifications complete for me. Statusbar icons can clutter but I can't think of a reason not to have actionable notifications (at least simple ones like reply, delete, archive play, pause, etc). It would certainly save extra taps and make notification center more efficient in general.
On android I like the slim statusbar height "banner" although it is not used in full screen and all apps. I used a jailbreak tweak in iOS 3 that was similar to this called notified. To this day I prefer it to what is now an even larger banner in ios7. As for the lock screen I try to replicate iOS by using dashclock. It adds more functionality than the iOS lock screen but I mainly use it so I can see notifications from the lockscreen without having to pull down the shade. However it lacks the ability to show more content from the notification.
The perfect notification system FOR ME is on a jailbroken iOS. It sort of combines the best of both worlds and is something that has been around in some form or another since iOS 3. I do wish apple would just improve notification center so I wouldn't have to rely on a jailbreak. Losing the ability to update and the waiting period for exploits to be found can be a pain. Here are a few tweaks that might please someone who prefers android notifications:
Lockinfo/intelliscreenX: brings some actionable ability, easier interaction (gesture and singular dismissal ability), customizable organization (calendar events!!!), shortcuts, etc...
Lorem: swipe to dismiss notifications. Stopped working in iOS6(?) but a function I really like in android. I'm not sure why apple hasn't implemented this?
Statusnotifier/opennotifier: Statusbar icons. I love badges (replicate them on android) but not all my apps are on the main home screen. Statusbar icons keeps everything in one place that is easy to glance at.
Covermenot: pushes your screen down when a banner pops up so it doesn't block content/buttons. I believe webos did this? Apple definitely should have copied this by now.
I'm on iOS 7 so my iPhone is no longer jailbroken but here's a screenie I found of one of my old lockscreens. Wish it was expanded to show actionable items but oh well. Hopefully I can get this back in a month or so.
I current own an s4 and iPhone 5 and definitely side with the OP. Although I do prefer some things about iOS notifications like banners and the lock screen, I do like how android handles the notifications better. Actionable notifications and status bar icons are 2 things that would make iOS notifications complete for me. Statusbar icons can clutter but I can't think of a reason not to have actionable notifications (at least simple ones like reply, delete, archive play, pause, etc). It would certainly save extra taps and make notification center more efficient in general.
On android I like the slim statusbar height "banner" although it is not used in full screen and all apps. I used a jailbreak tweak in iOS 3 that was similar to this called notified. To this day I prefer it to what is now an even larger banner in ios7. As for the lock screen I try to replicate iOS by using dashclock. It adds more functionality than the iOS lock screen but I mainly use it so I can see notifications from the lockscreen without having to pull down the shade. However it lacks the ability to show more content from the notification.
The perfect notification system FOR ME is on a jailbroken iOS. It sort of combines the best of both worlds and is something that has been around in some form or another since iOS 3. I do wish apple would just improve notification center so I wouldn't have to rely on a jailbreak. Losing the ability to update and the waiting period for exploits to be found can be a pain. Here are a few tweaks that might please someone who prefers android notifications:
Lockinfo/intelliscreenX: brings some actionable ability, easier interaction (gesture and singular dismissal ability), customizable organization (calendar events!!!), shortcuts, etc...
Lorem: swipe to dismiss notifications. Stopped working in iOS6(?) but a function I really like in android. I'm not sure why apple hasn't implemented this?
Statusnotifier/opennotifier: Statusbar icons. I love badges (replicate them on android) but not all my apps are on the main home screen. Statusbar icons keeps everything in one place that is easy to glance at.
Covermenot: pushes your screen down when a banner pops up so it doesn't block content/buttons. I believe webos did this? Apple definitely should have copied this by now.
I'm on iOS 7 so my iPhone is no longer jailbroken but here's a screenie I found of one of my old lockscreens. Wish it was expanded to show actionable items but oh well. Hopefully I can get this back in a month or so.
Sure it is fine if he likes iOS better. I never said that was not ok. Read his last post before mine, and you will see that he made it into more than it had to be. I told him from the start it was all about preferences, and that post was his response.
Maybe tapatalk 4 fixed the action of tapping on the notification. I have not been using 4 for very long.
Ok you can quickly dismiss that banner. That is great, but you have to do that before you can hit back. You saying you can swipe to go back. That is only in iOS 7 which is still in beta testing. Yes iOS is adding some things, but it is not an completed OS yet. I don't think we can compare that and android yet.
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Yes you have said this before. I said before it was all about which one people preferred not which one was better. You are the one that said iOS notifications were better, and more robust. I am not sure what changed between now and your last post, but it is much different.
I'm all ears for suggestions on a reliable iOS like lockscreen notification system
Dashclock widget (and its extensions) seems to be the most reliable, but it does not preview the first few lines of the message. Any phone that is on corporate exchange cannot use lockscreen widgets too. Well, unless you use http://rootzwiki.com/topic/29015-app-mod-exchange-security-bypass-no-pinno-admin-android-434241-v40/
The lockscreen replacement apps all seem to be buggy, have mixed reviews.. etc. (but they can be used on corporate exchange)
Dashclock widget (and its extensions) seems to be the most reliable, but it does not preview the first few lines of the message. Any phone that is on corporate exchange cannot use lockscreen widgets too. Well, unless you use http://rootzwiki.com/topic/29015-app-mod-exchange-security-bypass-no-pinno-admin-android-434241-v40/
The lockscreen replacement apps all seem to be buggy, have mixed reviews.. etc. (but they can be used on corporate exchange)
I've tried a bunch and have never been happy with any of them. NILS was kind of what I wanted but had two major issues. First, it doesn't work with a PIN lock so I had to use a third party email (Enhanced Email which can bypass the PIN lock) which I wasn't big on. Second, with 4.2 it has to use an accessibility "hack" to work, which causes other issues (for example issues with watching videos full screen).
My understanding is there is there may be better lockscreen APIs in 4.3, but I since its not out for my GS4, I'm not sure.
Others may disagree but IMO, iOS does notifications best and is definitely something I miss.
Yea, fair enough - I saw that one app that using the accessibility hack that made be wince
I'm on 4.3 Google Edition , it doesn't get any better for those in an exchange environment using native mail as the lockscreen gets completely locked down. I have not tried NILS, only read about it.
Tho I must add that I prefer androids notifications. But I prefer iOS' lockscreen notifications.
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Nothing has changed, it just so happens you prefer the less robust notification system of Android. I listed clearly how the iOS notification system is flat out better in terms of options, customization, presentation and control. You can still say you prefer android but that doesn't change iOS being stronger in this area, and even better in iOS 7 which is apparently dropping in a week or so.
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When things don't work as intended on my phone, it drives me insane. That's why I dumped my jailbreak after a couple of months. All those new features made my iPhone unstable and buggy, and the jailbreak tweaks were shoddy.
No way in Hell I'm going to add "features" my GS4 that aren't 100%, resulting in bugginess, wonky stability, and drained system and power resources. I've been down that road before and refuse to get into the tedious cycle flashing and restoring because of crappy roms and tweaks.
No thanks, I'll take my GS4 for what it is.
I hear you, but I cannot deal with iOS without a jailbreak.. no thanks.
I don't want to argue about it, but jailbroken iOS is the saving grace of iOS for me. There are shoddy tweaks just like there are shoddy apps.
I had a back to back springboard crash and reboot one day when I really wanted to get something done. I was done after that. Went back to stock immediately after.
Stability is something I put a premium on, not tweakability, and my stock iPhone 5 and GS4 are aces in that regard.
See this why people get so freakin frustrated by iOS fans. Saying it offer offers more options is just your opinion. I can change the way each app uses the notifications in android. Your options in iOS are in the notification center. Which amounts to, having a sound, having the notification on the lockscreen, having banners pop up, and if you want a badge on the app. Beyond that you can't do anything else. Yea that is real robust, and offers so many options.
You prefer iOS notification that is great. They work really well for you, but not everyone is like you. Saying it is robust and has more options is just your opinion. There are no facts in that.
Oh and I almost forgot. You and several other people keep saying you like they way it groups all the notification together in the notification center. That can be a great thing except for the fact that it does not go away when you click on it, and you cant just clear one item from each group. You have to clear the whole set of notifications. Sounds like it is real robust, and filled will user options. Oh wait only the options Apple wants you to have.
Except that is not us "IOS fans" who are going around boasting about how superior our notifications settings supposedly is.
From what I gather, you are the one who keeps claiming that if someone prefers notifications, it is their personal preference (implying that they are very much mistaken), yet for Android, it is an undeniable truth.
Can we just agree that whichever side we prefer, it is a matter of personal preference, and leave it at that?