Ha, no I don't. You just like to pretend it is. I'd love to take a poll to see how many people think I'm some rabid Apple Fanboy and how many think I'm simply an iOS guy who likes and uses both.
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Ha, no I don't. You just like to pretend it is. I'd love to take a poll to see how many people think I'm some rabid Apple Fanboy and how many think I'm simply an iOS guy who likes and uses both.
What in the world are you talking about, "perfect smartphone"? Are we not talking about the example you provided regarding file sharing? Try to keep it together.
Android allows you to send/share pictures, documents, whatever, exactly the way you like it in iOS as you described: "I find it much easier to locate files in the app they are opened" In fact, it's better, cause you can actually share to more apps.
Android also allows you to go into apps to "pull" stuff to it just like iOS. Perfect example is DropBox. In iOS, the only way to upload to DropBox is to go into DropBox. You prefer this, right? You can do it on Android, too.
The difference -- and the reason Android is better in this respect -- is you can ALSO (<-- do you understand this word?) accomplish uploading to DropBox via other apps (like from the Gallery app, for example). You can still go to DropBox like you would in iOS. This is a key point you seem to want to ignore.
You lose nothing if you're allowed BOTH options/methods. This applies for attachments, and in general for sharing other things.
Users lose when only one method is available. If the one method works for some, great; if it doesn't for others, they're out of luck.
You make it sound as if Apple can't figure this out, somehow. Android did it without compromising the method that's available also on iOS. Why is this hard to grasp for you?
Just saw this video of people camping days in advance for iphone 5s launch. Really hard to understand what is this fanatical appeal of iphones when there are much better android phones available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcse7RN_aY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcse7RN_aY
I get what you're saying and you're right, though I will say the "share sheets" in Android get a little hairy with all the options....great that they are there but anyways.....I do hate the fact that exporting something like a photo from dropbox to the phone's storage is "Send to SD Card" even when the phone doesn't support or have an SD Card.....small thing, doesn't negate your point.
I still wonder though, how one would "lose" if they didn't like the way iOS does something and instead moved to Android. How is this "losing"?
Android isn't the only thing that has file sharing. Any computer-literate person could (and should) wonder why the world's most advanced mobile OS doesn't have file-sharing.
You might say iOS is catering to those who are not computer-literate. Again, fine. No one is saying replace the way iOS has it now. People are only wishing it's added to it.
And the ability to attach things to email has been a request for ages now of iOS Mail. iOS 6 allowed pictures -- an itty bitty step. But again, Android allows anything. Maybe someone only prefers or ever needs to attach pictures -- the whole "preference argument." And to this, I say again, whoopty-doo.
I hope you're beginning to see why putting so much emphasis on "preferences" isn't really useful in discussing how an OS can improve. There's a time and place and reason for discussing preferences, but it's not particularly useful when pointing out shortcomings.
For me, it's so refreshing to read your statement above. A comment so clear and accurate its one that keeps certain Apple advocates heads buried deeply in the sand.
You can file share in iOS.....let's not go to extremes. It may not have ALL the options Android does, but file-sharing is possible and with Airdrop, quite a bit easier now too.
As for the email thing, I COMPLETELY agree. This has been at the top of my list for things I want in iOS. Especially given it's my work phone. I can attach multiple pictures, should also be able to attach multiple PDFs or DOCs.
I understand, discussing preferences becomes hairy and many times bogs down conversations. The simple fact is I speak from my preferences because that's what I know. A combination of a vast number of people's preferences, coupled with the smartphone they use, goes a long way to helping those who are undecided figure out what they should use. I think that's a nice purpose of a forum.
I apologize for getting riled up. There are things I would love to see addressed in iOS, just as there are things I don't like in Android. I'm sorry when my posts seem to contradict those facts, though I hope you'll also see that making some of the generalizations you make don't help the situation, but only serve to escalate the response.
Anyways - we'll always be on opposite sides of the fence, and that's completely cool. I'll do my best to keep my cool - though I can't promise anything
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I don't understand why comments like this have to be made.....here I am, making amends with Couch, telling him I'll keep my cool and you go trolling with this crap.....
Is it not enough to simply discuss shortcomings? Do we have to resort to hypotheticals which insult the other side? Just because some people do it, does that mean we all should?
I'll do my best to keep it civil - but posts like this and that comment Couch made really don't make these forums ANY better and only serve to rile up the nonsense you guys claim to combat.
My mistake. I meant file-system* relating to file-sharing.
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I disagree. You know full well the benefits of things you haven't experienced before. You're already praising 64-bit architecture and finger-print sensor, yet how much experience have you had with those features on a smartphone to guide your preference for them already?
And you certainly know the benefits of file-systems on a computer. Again, no one is saying to replace your new favorite method on the smartphone, but you certainly can appreciate why others would want more ways than what iOS has come up with. Objectively speaking, you should be as adamant as I am. But if you insist on going by preference only, well, as I said before, that conversation is rendered moot the moment someone prefers it the other way.
Sure, because I know - given my use case - the fingerprint sensor will help me a lot.
I also recognize, that some people won't see it that way. That's fine.
As for 64-bit, I'm "praising it" because of what I've read. And now Samsung is coming out with 64-bit in their next phones (which I assume likely would be happening anyway given the Note 3 has reached the 3 GB RAM max of 32-bit). It's a move that will be made by all and I'm simply pointing out that, for once, Apple is ahead in making it.
Here's the deal.....
When I say "Yay Apple for doing X", that doesn't mean I'm saying "Boo everyone else for not doing X, or doing Y".
Also, when I say - "Meh that's not useful to me" that doesn't mean "that's a stupid feature that shouldn't exist". Simply that my use case won't find that particular feature appealing.
I think what gets mixed up is me speaking from preference/use case and that gets taken to mean that's how I objectively feel about something. If you want my objective opinions (which are still opinions, mind you), I can give them and have. Hence my now "wastelanded" thread about the top things I've enjoyed about my Android smartphone. Hence the things I listed I preferred about Android in the thread "Aside from screen size, why do you prefer Android over iOS".
These are two separate discussions - perhaps sometimes I mix them up too easily and confuse the issue.
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Unfortunately Couch, I can't be as adamant as you are because - even objectively - I simply don't care as much as you seem to.
I tend to prefer ONE great way to do something. While I see the benefits of having a file-system, my PREFERENCE is to only have ONE way to do something and just use that way.
I think that's why I like owning both devices. My iPhone is my "comfort" device. I can use it when I simply want to do certain tasks and I know the simplicity I'll get.
On the other hand, my Android devices allow me to experience new ways of doing tasks and I really enjoy that aspect. I can try out new things and tweak when I want.
Really, the best of both worlds is the way to go for me.
But again, seriously - I ask: if one doesn't like what iOS offers or feels trapped, moving to Android would be a great idea right? So one isn't "trapped" by iOS, because Android is now so polished and offers a great experience. And moving really isn't difficult. So why do you keep characterizing it like there's only one option?
Oh I know you answered why you care about Apple so much - but that doesn't really tell me why you keep characterizing it like one is "trapped" in using iOS.
IMO, those who hate how iOS is setup, switch to Android and don't look back. And after you switch, there's no need to come back and say "haha Android rocks, nannner nanner boo boo"......
Anyways - all done! We can move on from this.
Don't know what you mean. At no point do I say nor imply nor insinuate that iOS traps people like it's the only OS available or something.
Thankfully not.
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"Users lose when only one method is available. If the one method works for some, great; if it doesn't for others, they're out of luck."
What do you mean when you say people lose when they use iOS and can only do things a certain way? How do they "lose" if that's their preference?
And if it's not, how do they "lose" if they can simply switch to a different platform, such as Android, which offers options more to their liking? Switching to Android isn't all that difficult - you've said it and I've said it. And Android is a great platform - maybe a few years ago, it would've meant giving up stability and fluidity - now? Not so much.
Seriously? They're out of luck = they're trapped by iOS and can't switch to other platforms?
Do you not know how to read in context? They're out of luck -- in the context of our conversation (heck, in the context of that very sentence) -- means they have no choice but to use iOS' one method of file-sharing. They're out of luck in that respect.
And users lose = they lose out on choice. Again, context of our conversation: Android offers multiple ways to do the same thing. Apple offers one way. If users don't like that one way, they lose out on other methods (methods which I argue most will know and wonder about per their computer-literacy).
Seriously, I don't mean to insult you, but this is basic English.
Nothing I said has anything to do with people being "trapped by iOS" as if they can't switch to other OS-es (<- what in the world? Why would I ever argue this? That's obviously absurd.)
EDIT: Oh wait, I almost forgot who I'm talking to. Classic straw mans and red herrings to avoid the real points of iOS' shortcomings -- you almost got me.
But using a certain platform is a choice. So if one chooses to use iOS, why would they be "out of luck" if they chose such an OS?
What users lose? The ones who CHOOSE to use iOS? Are these people CHOSING iOS without realizing they can only do things a certain way?
Even so, when they figure this out, what happens? How are they "out of luck" when they can switch OSes?
Ha, no I understand completely. Someone can correct me if I am reading what you are saying wrong, but it really makes little sense.
(1) User weighs options for smartphone purchase.
(2) User looks at openness of Android and closed-ness of iOS.
(3) User makes purchasing decision based on preferences/what he/she needs.
Then.....either:
(4) User choose iOS, knowing its capabilites.
(5) User enjoys iOS, because he/she went into the purchase knowing the capabilities.
OR:
(4) User choose iOS, but realizes he/she doesn't like the closed nature of the OS.
(5) User switched to an Android platform to enjoy more freedom.
I'm confused how either of these scenarios end up negatively as to define the user being "out of luck"?
Yes, because once we choose a platform, we have to be happy with every way that platform works.
Your posts really are just one big laugh riot.....lol. Classic Couch.
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Yes, because once we choose a platform, we have to be happy with every way that platform works.
No....that's not what I said? Lol.....really Couch....
Anyways - no worries. I'm not going to continue confusing you.
Everything here is laughable.
You might have missed this:
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So long.
Hopefully the finger print technology will work better than at the gym I go to or it'll take half an hour to unlock my phone each time
Then explain to me how they're not "out of luck"?
Hey, remember this thing you loveeee called preference? What if they prefer iOS in other regards? What if they're mid-contract? What if they can't afford to switch. Is your solution to every issue to just up and switch platforms. You can switch, so let's not ever point out a particular OS' shortcomings! Is that how it works?
None of this means "iOS traps people". Not even close.
When admitting iOS' shortcomings, the proper response shouldn't be "then go Android. Why stay with iOS?" the response should be "how can iOS fix these shortcomings?"
It's sad you can't view it this way. And precisely why I say you're actually no good for Apple, despite your loyalty to them.
Because they can simply move to something they prefer/want or like better?
What is your definition of being "out of luck"?
But that's not the case here. We aren't talking about people who merely dislike ONE thing about iOS. Heck, I dislike a few things about iOS but don't feel "out of luck"?
If you really feel that way, you SHOULD switch. And if you do, ya I don't see the need to come back and tell everyone about how much better your choice is now that you've switched.
Poor choice of words - focusing on what YOU actually said, which was users are "out of luck".
When did I ever dispute this? When have I ever said "we can't talk about iOS's shortcomings"? Did I not just mention one the biggest IMO, not a few posts ago?
I was merely asking a question - not making some sweeping statement that this is how we should respond when faced with iOS's shortcomings....and somehow, I'm entangled in some ridiculous argument for asking a simple question, to which you could've simply answered:
"I just think those who really do like iOS, but feel certain aspects of the OS are really lacking could feel like they are trapped or don't have options because they don't feel Android would offer a better experience."
THAT was a decent response I would've agreed with. Instead I'm insulted and told I can't understand or am deflecting from the real issues....
Talk about red herrings and straw men.....pot meet kettle.
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I'm sure it will. The Motorola Atrix worked ok, just wasn't popular in 2011.
Now Apple has had 2 years and advancement in technology after the Atrix, I would think it should work better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFmIgNhg0M4
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I totally agree. I'm all for future tech now.
It's just funny how some bashed Samsung for adding 4k because 4k sets are too expensive even though people have those 4k sets now.
Then Apple comes out with 64-bit when it absolutely does nothing for the user experience now, and it is touted as the next coming..
Yup.
It's a really interesting thing to observe.
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Whoppty-doo.
In response to this general "out of luck" thing:
Once again: context.
Seriously, go back and re-read our exchange if it helps. I said Apple does this one thing one way. Android does it multiple ways. People who are okay with Apple's one way are fine, people who aren't okay with Apple's one way are out of luck.
Anyone else reading that will and should understand perfectly that in the context of that conversation/sentences, out of luck (or any other permutation of it, e.g. 'users lose out,' that was also used in the same context of the conversation/sentences) means that they have no say in how to accomplish said task in iOS.
It doesn't say anything else, and it certainly doesn't say 'iOS traps you' or you can't switch.
This is the last I'll address this red herring. Seriously, learn to read in context.