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The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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Also, the Note 10.1 2014 seems to be GREAT, particularly because:

- Wacom pen support
- windowed multitasking out of the box
- microSD

Three things you'll never get with an iPad. I may be completely switching - got fed up with the closedness of Apple.


The screen looks amazing.. Wasn't expecting such a big upgrade on their note 10.1.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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Nonsense! Now you are trolling...

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OMG...that was funny!
Really?

Didn't you say the 3gb ram is amazing and concluding how the iPhone will suck if it doesn't offer that "innovative spec"?

Oh right, I didn't join your note 3 circle jerk. So now I am a troll. GG.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Really?

Didn't you say the 3gb ram is amazing and concluding how the iPhone will suck if it doesn't offer that "innovative spec"?

Oh right, I didn't join your note 3 circle jerk. So now I am a troll. GG.
Show me where i said any of that! :)
You were just trying to start an argument to get a response from the the rest of the people in the thread.....and you know it....
Do you know the definition of trolling?
Here is what you said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sentinelsx View Post
Well I guess all the rest of android devices are now crap since they don't have the innovative and user experience boosting 3gb of ram.

Definition of trolling from Wikipedia:
a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Las Vegas, NV
I see absolutely no use for one of those watches. Just cant see them being a big seller for Samsung or Apple when they release one. My phone gives the weather and time and takes pics. Dont need a watch to do that too.
 

throAU

macrumors G3
Feb 13, 2012
9,241
7,405
Perth, Western Australia
This is ignorance. Why not moan about the iPhone taking 1080p video since 2011 with no way to view it natively on the iPhone itself.

You can view it in high enough resolution on the phone that it does not matter. 1080p is not required on a screen of 4 inches in size.

When you display your video on other devices is when the 1080p matters.
 

weespeed

macrumors 6502
Jul 9, 2010
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You can view it in high enough resolution on the phone that it does not matter. 1080p is not required on a screen of 4 inches in size.

When you display your video on other devices is when the 1080p matters.

And the currently useless 64-bit??
 

thunng8

macrumors 65816
Feb 8, 2006
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true, they both very similar screen quailty wise. Be interesting if apple increase their screen quailty next month.

It has the best resolution. iPad4 screen has higher quality (brightness, contrast, colour accuracy) than the N10. Not sure about the new Samsung though as it hasn't been tested.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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And the currently useless 64-bit??

It's called future proofing. Which I agree.

The only difference is that when competitors offer new features that may not be fully realized to their potential, it's called gimmicky.

That's how it works around here.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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129
McKinney, TX
It's called future proofing. Which I agree.

The only difference is that when competitors offer new features that may not be fully realized to their potential, it's called gimmicky.

That's how it works around here.

Yes everyone, remember - If its not Apple, its crap. And the only features that are useful are the ones Apple implements. Its how all of us Apple fanatics think.

Don't let us fool you either - when we say we like something about Android, that's really a lie and a way to tie back in to how much we think Apple is perfect.

;) I got your back Couch.
 

Spacial

macrumors 6502
Aug 29, 2013
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On topic, it's not Samsung that's handing Apple their hat.

Apple is doing it to themselves by allowing their greed to prevail. They've chosen to slow walk the release of features, saving some for the next model.

When in fact if Apple got serious and used every resource to build the best phone they can, no one could come close to the excellence Apple is capable if.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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On topic, it's not Samsung that's handing Apple their hat.

Apple is doing it to themselves by allowing their greed to prevail. They've chosen to slow walk the release of features, saving some for the next model.

When in fact if Apple got serious and used every resource to build the best phone they can, no one could come close to the excellence Apple is capable if.

Yes. Imagine what they're capable of if they didn't play the slow game to maximize profits.

The competition is moving faster, taking greater steps, bigger risks, and offering better value. It's no wonder Android has grown.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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129
McKinney, TX
On topic, it's not Samsung that's handing Apple their hat.

Apple is doing it to themselves by allowing their greed to prevail. They've chosen to slow walk the release of features, saving some for the next model.

When in fact if Apple got serious and used every resource to build the best phone they can, no one could come close to the excellence Apple is capable if.

I honestly think you overstate both Apple's ability and are wrong in assuming they aren't "trying".

Android has progressed very quickly, but in many aspects they had a lot farther to go than iOS did. There are things both OSes need to fix.

To think that Google and all the OEMs that run Android aren't also looking to make money - and as much money as they can - is ludicrous. They simply take a different path (quantity).

Case-in-point, what new features is 4.3 bringing to the table? Hasn't Android begun to slow down as well? I think we're just seeing a maturing of the smartphone industry. Apple and iOS started out more polished, while Android was kind of all over the place and didn't really hit its stride until ICS - longer way to go = more growth. And good for them! I for one am happy to own devices that run both iOS and Android. I enjoy different things about each.
 

VulchR

macrumors 68040
Jun 8, 2009
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... I think we're just seeing a maturing of the smartphone industry. Apple and iOS started out more polished, while Android was kind of all over the place and didn't really hit its stride until ICS - longer way to go = more growth. And good for them!...

I agree - smartphones are all converging on the same solutions for the same problems. The question is whether they can provide a better experience simply by adding more features, or whether it is better to do more R&D on a feature before incorporating it into a phone. It will be interesting to see how the fingerprint ID or new motion-sensing system in the iPhone compares in usability to, say, gaze-tracking on some Samsung devices.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I agree - smartphones are all converging on the same solutions for the same problems. The question is whether they can provide a better experience simply by adding more features, or whether it is better to do more R&D on a feature before incorporating it into a phone. It will be interesting to see how the fingerprint ID or new motion-sensing system in the iPhone compares in usability to, say, gaze-tracking on some Samsung devices.

Agreed - we're in the refinement stage as both OSes are quite polished at this point.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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Case-in-point, what new features is 4.3 bringing to the table? Hasn't Android begun to slow down as well? I think we're just seeing a maturing of the smartphone industry. Apple and iOS started out more polished, while Android was kind of all over the place and didn't really hit its stride until ICS - longer way to go = more growth. And good for them! I for one am happy to own devices that run both iOS and Android. I enjoy different things about each.

I'm sorry but it's not an apt comparison.

Android at this point is more feature-rich, more mature, more flexible OS and there's really only so much more they can do. There's absolutely room for improvement, but not as much as iOS could and should go.

Case in point, what more can we expect of Google Maps? Can it improve? Of course. But how much more does it need to improve compared to say Apple Maps?

Google is constantly updating their individual apps too. Recently, Google Keyboard, Gmail, Chrome (Beta and regular), Maps, Music, Translate all got updates. So to pretend like the OS updates don't add a lot comparatively is obscurantism at its best.

In short, iOS has far more room for growth at this point in time.

This is similar to the argument that the S4 isn't a "big jump" from the S3. It's just not the same. Once again, Samsung simply has their bases more covered.

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I said this before... No other company would get away with pulling the same things that Apple pulls.

Imagine for a moment if it was Samsung (or HTC, Motorola, whoever) that all decided to stay with a 3.5" phone for four or five years. And imagine if it was Apple that offered 3.5", 4", 4.3", 4.5", 4.7" and even 5" phones as the years went by? The arguments would be completely flip-flopped and every Apple fan would destroy and ridicule Android OEMs to no end for sticking it out with 3.5" phones.

And this is just using one example. Imagine if Android OEMs stuck with one hardware button, while Apple moved onto capacitive and/or on screen buttons. Imagine if Apple offered SD expansions and Android OEMs refused to? Or notification lights while Android OEMs refused to?

Imagine if Apple allowed the freedom to customize the OS, to make apps default, to share files to anything, to have full attachments, to have multiple methods of typing, etc. (these are just some examples)... all the while Google refused to implement those things in Android.

Really, try to imagine how the conversation would go if all the tables were turned.

I'd be an iPhone owner, too, and I, too, would laugh at Google and their partners if all this was true.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I'm sorry but it's not an apt comparison.

Ditto every time someone brings up that the S4 isn't a "big jump" from the S3.

Android at this point is more feature-rich, more mature, more flexible OS and there's really only so much more they can do. There's absolutely room for improvement, but not as much as iOS could and should go.

Case in point, what more can we expect of Google Maps? Can it improve? Of course. But how much more does it need to improve compared to say Apple Maps?

Google is constantly updating their individual apps too. Recently, Google Keyboard, Gmail, Chrome (Beta and regular), Maps, Music, Translate all got updates. So to pretend like the OS updates don't add a lot comparatively is obscurantism at its best.

Ok...sure. Somewhat depends on your preferences and point of view though doesn't it?

I'd also say Apple Maps is lightyears closer to Google Maps that it was at its introduction a year ago. Of course, it can improve as can Google Maps.....but the addition of certain features in the OS as a whole doesn't necessarily mean one OS is further behind.

For EXAMPLE, the file-system. One of the classic desires of those who use Android. One (you) could say iOS is behind and has further to come because it doesn't have a traditional file system (at least not viewable by the user). That's all well and good for those who WANT/PREFER a traditional file system, but I actually DON'T want one. I find it much easier to locate files in the app they are opened by than navigating Android's file system. So FOR ME, a file system wouldn't be a step forward, rather more complication than I want.

*DISCLAIMER* - I'm speaking only in general terms here. There ARE issue with the way Apple presents files and how they interact with apps. Obviously, my preference to have one app per task plays to it being easier for me to find files. There is also the issue of file sharing between apps, that - if one has a number of say photo apps - can get messy with iOS's current "file system". I'm merely presenting a scenario in which one person's "progress" does not jive with another person's preferences.
 

435713

macrumors 6502a
May 19, 2010
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FYI, this records 4k video. I'm sure the Note does just as well. *wink*
 
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onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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For EXAMPLE, the file-system. One of the classic desires of those who use Android. One (you) could say iOS is behind and has further to come because it doesn't have a traditional file system (at least not viewable by the user). That's all well and good for those who WANT/PREFER a traditional file system, but I actually DON'T want one. I find it much easier to locate files in the app they are opened by than navigating Android's file system. So FOR ME, a file system wouldn't be a step forward, rather more complication than I want.

For such an Apple fan, your lack of faith is disturbing. /Vader voice.

You don't think they can figure out a way so that both methods are available? Google figured it out. You can attach files via the file system, or you can go to said app where the file is and share/send from there, too. This is not magic.

Again, these are the people behind "the world's most advanced mobile OS." Why is it not acting like it's advanced?

And again, for someone who so cares about preference, why are you not recognizing Apple's absence in allowing preference.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I said this before... No other company would get away with pulling the same things that Apple pulls.

Imagine for a moment if it was Samsung (or HTC, Motorola, whoever) that all decided to stay with a 3.5" phone for four or five years. And imagine if it was Apple that offered 3.5", 4", 4.3", 4.5", 4.7" and even 5" phones as the years went by? The arguments would be completely flip-flopped and every Apple fan would destroy and ridicule Android OEMs to no end for sticking it out with 3.5" phones.

And this is just using one example. Imagine if Android OEMs stuck with one hardware button, while Apple moved onto capacitive and/or on screen buttons. Imagine if Apple offered SD expansions and Android OEMs refused to? Or notification lights while Android OEMs refused to?

Imagine if Apple allowed the freedom to customize the OS, to make apps default, to share files to anything, to have full attachments, to have multiple methods of typing, etc. (these are just some examples)... all the while Google refused to implement those things in Android.

Really, try to imagine how the conversation would go if all the tables were turned.

I'd be an iPhone owner, too, and I, too, would laugh at Google and their partners if all this was true.

Repeating it doesn't make it true my friend. I know it would be much nicer for your narrative if all of us who prefer iOS were like this, but its not the case. And as you're using a hypothetical scenario, I find it hard to take your assertion as truth.

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For such an Apple fan, your lack of faith is disturbing. /Vader voice.

You don't think they can figure out a way so that both methods are available? Google figured it out. You can attach files via the file system, or you can go to said app where the file is and share/send from there, too. This is not magic.

Again, these are the people behind "the world's most advanced mobile OS." Why is it not acting like it's advanced?

And again, for someone who so cares about preference, why are you not recognizing Apple's absence in allowing preference.

Oh sure - perhaps they could come up with some new hybrid that appeases all of us......

Wouldn't it be great if the perfect smartphone existed? Unfortunately, it doesn't and right now, all I have are the two (sorry WP8) best options in front of me. iOS's implementation works for me because of my preferences and use case. That's all. IF Apple were to change and become LIKE ANDROID, I wouldn't like it.

Of course, they could come up with a whole new way, but really I can't speculate or judge that as it doesn't exist. I prefer to deal with what's in front of me......there are a lot of far-fetched ideas that would be really nice in a smartphone.

Hell, I'd would've settled for a GS4 that had all the power of the regular and the waterproofing of the Active - but alas, there are always compromises.

As for the bolded - I fail to see why APPLE has to provide all these options, when Android is such a great option for those who's preferences don't align with Apple's offerings. For the upteenth time, if you don't like what Apple offers - ANDROID. IS. A. GREAT. OPTION.

For such an Android fan, I find you lack of faith (and constant whining about Apple) odd.
 
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