Did Samsung just hand Apple their hat?

[Giuly]

Wrong. Try again.

How about that one:

People put cases on their phones to not only protect, but first and foremost individualize them (Nokia's Xpress-on covers are an example here, going back to the mid-90ies: Same cover, even third-party ones, just a different color).

Shipping a case of whatever kind along with the phone is a questionable idea and defeats the whole purpose of going out and choosing "your" case, as it's convenient to just use the one in the box.

 

[Michael Goff]

A GS4 mini?

What about the people who want a larger iPhone?

A GS4 mini actually gets less battery life than the iPhone 5 despite having a bigger battery.

I wasn't arguing that people don't have more choice with android. I have no idea about the relevance of your post as a response to mine.

 

[maximus96]

How about that one:

People put cases on their phones to not only protect, but first and foremost individualize them (Nokia's Xpress-on covers are an example here, going back to the mid-90ies: Same cover, even third-party ones, just a different color). Shipping a case of whatever kind along with the phone is a questionable idea and defeats the whole purpose of going out and choosing "your" case.

whats stopping you from choosing "your" case and putting it on the note? or removing the fake leather back and replacing it with something else?

 

[F123D]

How about that one:

People put cases on their phones to not only protect, but first and foremost individualize them (Nokia's Xpress-on covers are an example here, going back to the mid-90ies: Same cover, even third-party ones, just a different color).

Shipping a case of whatever kind along with the phone is a questionable idea and defeats the whole purpose of going out and choosing "your" case, as it's convenient to just use the one in the box.

Still wrong. Please don't try again.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Yeah torrenting, file system and so many clocks.

if we are being real

Oh, if only that were all that iOS was lacking. . .

 

[F123D]

A GS4 mini actually gets less battery life than the iPhone 5 despite having a bigger battery.

I wasn't arguing that people don't have more choice with android. I have no idea about the relevance of your post as a response to mine.

You wanted to know what if users wanted a smaller phone and how that'll effect battery life. I gave the option of a GS4 mini.

Swap battery. Done.

Just asking about different options for iPhone since you asked about different options for Android. But clearly, it didn't need to be brought up.

 

[josen]

The smartwatch is dead out of the gate because 24 hours is not long enough for a watch.

 

[bmt134]

Apple got their hat handed to them last year with the S3.

 

[Michael Goff]

You wanted to know what if users wanted a smaller phone and how that'll effect battery life. I gave the option of a GS4 mini.

Swap battery. Done.

Just asking about different options for iPhone since you asked about different options for Android. But clearly, it didn't need to be brought up.

Err.... no. I was pointing out that Android needs a larger batter to have good battery life. The person then said that meant that there was no problem with battery life if you could just have a bigger batter. I then pointed to smaller phones. And now you're pointing to spare batteries.

All of that to compensate for the fact that Android phones don't have good battery life on their own.

 

[Technarchy]

Err.... no. I was pointing out that Android needs a larger batter to have good battery life. The person then said that meant that there was no problem with battery life if you could just have a bigger batter. I then pointed to smaller phones. And now you're pointing to spare batteries.

All of that to compensate for the fact that Android phones don't have good battery life on their own.

I think that is generally true, but overall my S4 battery life is very good. Essentially equal to my iPhone 5 in practical use.

Though my S4 takes forever to charge if I'm actually using it while charging.

 

[F123D]

Err.... no. I was pointing out that Android needs a larger batter to have good battery life. The person then said that meant that there was no problem with battery life if you could just have a bigger batter. I then pointed to smaller phones. And now you're pointing to spare batteries.

All of that to compensate for the fact that Android phones don't have good battery life on their own.

If Android and all the manufacturers eliminated all their features and ran a similar operating system to iOS, I'd expect excellent battery life as well.

 

[onthecouchagain]

This is the first time ever that I've owned any phone (Androids and iPhones) where I didn't have to worry about the battery life on a frequent basis.

The HTC One lasts me the whole work day easily and lasts well into the late night if I'm staying out. I always come back with more than enough to spare doing what I usually do with the phone. I rarely have to worry about it. I plug it in at night when I sleep and that's it.

It's really the first time I can do this without second thought.

The battery life of Android devices will vary depending on the hardware, of course, but all in all, most flagships have adequate battery life nowadays. And in some cases, superior battery life (Note series?).

This is yet another Android concern of yesteryear.

 

[Michael Goff]

I think that is generally true, but overall my S4 battery life is very good. Essentially equal to my iPhone 5 in practical use.

Though my S4 takes forever to charge if I'm actually using it while charging.

If Android and all the manufacturers eliminated all their features and ran a similar operating system to iOS, I'd expect excellent battery life as well.

My whole point was that iOS is more optimized.

I was not saying anything bad about Android.

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This is the first time ever that I've owned any phone (Androids and iPhones) where I didn't have to worry about the battery life on a frequent basis.

The HTC One lasts me the whole work day easily and lasts well into the late night if I'm staying out. I always come back with more than enough to spare doing what I usually do with the phone. I rarely have to worry about it. I plug it in at night when I sleep and that's it.

It's really the first time I can do this without second thought.

The battery life of Android devices will vary depending on the hardware, of course, but all in all, most flagships have adequate battery life nowadays. And in some cases, superior battery life (Note series?).

This is yet another Android concern of yesteryear.

And those phones have big batteries.

I would love it if Android could get the same battery life as iOS with a similar sized battery. Google should make it so.

 

[F123D]

Some may call it more optimized, others may call it lacking functionality and features.

 

[fredaroony]

Personally I haven't found the iPhones battery life any better at all.

 

[Savor]

My whole point was that iOS is more optimized.

I was not saying anything bad about Android.

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And those phones have big batteries.

I would love it if Android could get the same battery life as iOS with a similar sized battery. Google should make it so.

I think Android's bigger batteries also deals with the fact those phones deal with more powerful SoC and bigger, higher resolution screens too.

Let's see if Apple can manufacture a quad core 1.5 GHz+, 1080p/FULL HD iPhone in a 4-4.3 inch screen with the same battery capacity of the current iPhone 5 and see how far it can last.

I notice most Snapdragon 800 powered phones are over the 5-inch screen mark. Snapdragon 600 is around the 4.7-5 inch mark. The smallest screen that powers a 1080p display is from the HTC One at 4.7 inches and it is still around the same size as the S4 with nearly 5-inches. The smallest screens that feature 720p is at 4.3 inches.

True, iOS is better optimized. It can do ALOT for most people's everyday needs with less because it also offers less features, less background syncing, slower push notifications, less true multitasking, no widgets, lower powered SoC, smaller screen, lower res, less varied spec configurations, etc.

 

[Technarchy]

Some may call it more optimized, others may call it lacking functionality and features.

That's one way to see it.

What is clear is most android phones are slapped together with off the shelf parts and then have the OS dropped in and it might run great or it might run like complete and total ass. The end result being androids wonderful reputation for bugs, security holes, lag, poor battery life, instability and dodgy app issues.

It's like that DAC issue I have on the GS4 when the EQ is enabled after the last AT&T update. It's a stupid problem to have that a little vetting and optimization would handle. That would never happen with iOS.

Apple at the very least vets their OS through numerous betas to get a large pool of feedback from developers and users of iOS products to ensure the latest iteration of iOS offers an acceptable level of security, stability and app compatibility on iOS devices.

For those that are flagship only like myself the issues are lesser, but good luck with anything less running android.

 

[onthecouchagain]

And those phones have big batteries.

I would love it if Android could get the same battery life as iOS with a similar sized battery. Google should make it so.

Ah, I get your point.

Unfortunately, I don't think Android can get iOS like battery life without becoming more iOS-like.

These are also very good points:

I think Android's bigger batteries also deals with the fact those phones deal with more powerful SoC and bigger, higher resolution screens too.

Let's see if Apple can manufacture a quad core 1.5 GHz+, 1080p/FULL HD iPhone in a 4-4.3 inch screen with the same battery capacity of the current iPhone 5 and see how far it can last.

I notice most Snapdragon 800 powered phones are over the 5-inch screen mark. Snapdragon 600 is around the 4.7-5 inch mark. The smallest screen that powers a 1080p display is from the HTC One at 4.7 inches and it is still around the same size as the S4 with nearly 5-inches. The smallest screens that feature 720p is at 4.3 inches.

True, iOS is better optimized. It can do ALOT for most people's everyday needs with less because it also offers less features, less background syncing, slower push notifications, less true multitasking, no widgets, lower powered SoC, smaller screen, lower res, less varied spec configurations, etc.

 

[matttye]

Some may call it more optimized, others may call it lacking functionality and features.

Everyone has different needs.

I use my iPhone for work, studying and as my personal phone, and never find it lacking. The fact that the battery seems to go on forever is really useful.

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I think Android's bigger batteries also deals with the fact those phones deal with more powerful SoC and bigger, higher resolution screens too.

Let's see if Apple can manufacture a quad core 1.5 GHz+, 1080p/FULL HD iPhone in a 4-4.3 inch screen with the same battery capacity of the current iPhone 5 and see how far it can last.

I notice most Snapdragon 800 powered phones are over the 5-inch screen mark. Snapdragon 600 is around the 4.7-5 inch mark. The smallest screen that powers a 1080p display is from the HTC One at 4.7 inches and it is still around the same size as the S4 with nearly 5-inches. The smallest screens that feature 720p is at 4.3 inches.

True, iOS is better optimized. It can do ALOT for most people's everyday needs with less because it also offers less features, less background syncing, slower push notifications, less true multitasking, no widgets, lower powered SoC, smaller screen, lower res, less varied spec configurations, etc.

I don't see the point in 1080p screens in a phone with a 4-4.3" screen. I can kinda understand it in a 6"+ phone, but it seems pointless in anything smaller.

I couldn't see the pixels in my old 720p Galaxy S3 with a 4.8" screen, so I fail to see the advantage of packing even more pixels in.

 

[F123D]

Everyone has different needs.

Oh, I agree. The same OS I dislike on a phone, I have no problem with on a tablet.

 

[matttye]

Oh, I agree. The same OS I dislike on a phone, I have no problem with on a tablet.

I used to be the same but I couldn't do without my iPhone now.

I can't even explain why in any kind of detail, I just find the whole experience better than Android.

iOS 7 might change that but it seems that most people like it!

 

[Fernandez21]

Oh, I agree. The same OS I dislike on a phone, I have no problem with on a tablet.

Its funny, I'm the exact opposite. I find iOS on my iPad to be extremely limiting, would much prefer android, but it doesn't have the apps I need. But on a phone, iOS is great while android has too much maintenance.

 

[Michael Goff]

I think Android's bigger batteries also deals with the fact those phones deal with more powerful SoC and bigger, higher resolution screens too.

Let's see if Apple can manufacture a quad core 1.5 GHz+, 1080p/FULL HD iPhone in a 4-4.3 inch screen with the same battery capacity of the current iPhone 5 and see how far it can last.

I notice most Snapdragon 800 powered phones are over the 5-inch screen mark. Snapdragon 600 is around the 4.7-5 inch mark. The smallest screen that powers a 1080p display is from the HTC One at 4.7 inches and it is still around the same size as the S4 with nearly 5-inches. The smallest screens that feature 720p is at 4.3 inches.

True, iOS is better optimized. It can do ALOT for most people's everyday needs with less because it also offers less features, less background syncing, slower push notifications, less true multitasking, no widgets, lower powered SoC, smaller screen, lower res, less varied spec configurations, etc.

Err ... is there an Android phone that is 4.3" with 1080p? Otherwise that'd be way too much of a burden.

Ah, I get your point.

Unfortunately, I don't think Android can get iOS like battery life without becoming more iOS-like.

These are also very good points:

No possible way? Id hope the people at Google could come up with something. Weren't they going to work on battery life in a big way with... crap, forget what the project name was supposed to be.

 

[Oletros]

Nexus 7 (2013) has a smaller battery than Nexus 7 (2012) and has better battery life

 

[jrswizzle]

Nexus 7 (2013) has a smaller battery than Nexus 7 (2012) and has better battery life

Unfortunately, the 2013 N7 has those huge ugly bezels.....not aesthetically pleasing AT ALL in person....

You would think if they could shrink something that takes up as much internal space as the battery, they might be able to limit the overall size of the device.