Did Samsung just hand Apple their hat?

[Oohara]

And those phones have big batteries.

I would love it if Android could get the same battery life as iOS with a similar sized battery. Google should make it so.

Samsung is definitely working on this. They've already implemented one new battery saving technology in the Note 3, which is lighter and thinner than its predecessor and has a smaller battery while supposedly having better or at least the same battery life. We've yet to see how it actually works though, of course.

Here's some info on it:

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/05/thanks...xy-note-3s-huge-screen-wont-kill-its-battery/

 

[jrswizzle]

Samsung is definitely working on this. They've already implemented one new battery saving technology in the Note 3, which is lighter and thinner than its predecessor and has a smaller battery while supposedly having better or at least the same battery life. We've yet to see how it actually works though, of course.

Here's some info on it:

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/05/thanks...xy-note-3s-huge-screen-wont-kill-its-battery/

Is the battery smaller?

I thought, at least capacity wise, it was actually a tad bigger (3100 mAh vs 3200 mAh).

People are going to need to look more closely for actual upgrades as the industry matures. Things like this Qualcomm chip and tech you mention and the iPhone 5's in-cell display tech and manufacturing process are the REAL upgrades......not "Oh it has more GHZ and a higher PPI"....

 

[Oohara]

Is the battery smaller?

I thought, at least capacity wise, it was actually a tad bigger (3100 mAh vs 3200 mAh).

People are going to need to look more closely for actual upgrades as the industry matures. Things like this Qualcomm chip and tech you mention and the iPhone 5's in-cell display tech and manufacturing process are the REAL upgrades......not "Oh it has more GHZ and a higher PPI"....

Ooops sorry, I had it the wrong way around! The Note 3 battery is 100 mAh bigger, you're right.

I guess I was thinking that the increase in battery size wasn't proportional to the probable increase in energy demand with the new screen. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see how the Note 3 battery holds up. I'm guessing Samsung won't let us down on that point though - given how much the battery life of the Note 2 probably added to its popularity.

And yeah, we're probably at the point where the real fun tech research begins I wonder in what way screens will improve now that we've kind of saturated the need for PPI.

 

[jrswizzle]

Ooops sorry, I had it the wrong way around! The Note 3 battery is 100 mAh bigger, you're right.

I guess I was thinking that the increase in battery size wasn't proportional to the probable increase in energy demand with the new screen. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see how the Note 3 battery holds up. I'm guessing Samsung won't let us down on that point though - given how much the battery life of the Note 2 probably added to its popularity.

And yeah, we're probably at the point where the real fun tech research begins I wonder in what way screens will improve now that we've kind of saturated the need for PPI.

Ha, no worries. I'm not terribly tech knowledgeable and wasn't sure if the mAh is capacity or has anything to do with physical size (obviously it has SOMETHING to do with physical size).

I agree - while a big bulk of consumers will fall into two groups (1) they don't care and simply upgrade when their phone breaks or (2) only see whats on the outside/immediately visible, those of us who are into all this stuff should be extremely excited for what the next few years hold.

Battery chemistry changes, display manufacturing processes, software optimizations, SoC efficiency - all things that will make these devices MUCH better than if these companies were to just re-design the shell every year or slap a new coat of paint on the OS (which I know is what some people accuse Apple of doing with iOS 7 and some clamor for Android to do with 4.4).

 

[Tinmania]

Unfortunately, the 2013 N7 has those huge ugly bezels.....not aesthetically pleasing AT ALL in person....

Some people like that... but not me. I hate that bezel. Reminds me of a mid-'90s laptop. Ugh.




Michael

 

[jrswizzle]

Some people like that... but not me. I hate that bezel. Reminds me of a mid-'90s laptop. Ugh.




Michael

Ha yup! The display is beautiful but that bezel just kills it IMO.

And for whatever reason, even though its actually LIGHTER than the mini - when I picked it up it felt heavier to me.....perhaps because its bulkier.

Anyways - I'm so looking forward to a retina iPad mini....

 

[Boris-VTR]

Again, generalizations. I know, they're much easier than actually speaking one-on-one and constructing reasoned arguments based on ONE person's comments, but they get old and are extremely repetitive and frankly don't apply to a MAJORITY of Apple/iOS users.

Really they just make the person who uses them look like a fool. And what you don't realize, is in your argument you are doing the very same thing you claim Apple fans do. Assuming Apple DIDN'T know what they were doing.

dude you are so in apples and PR's Schillers ass that it smell miles away. What he wrote does implay to you 100% percent. If apple would sell 1,0 inch iPhone 7 you would defent it with all your fanboyism stating "this is perfect.....i just love wathcing movie on my 1inch screen...my god Apple knows what they are doing....apple does innovate...more PR schiller please".

 

[spinedoc77]

If Android and all the manufacturers eliminated all their features and ran a similar operating system to iOS, I'd expect excellent battery life as well.

It's not like iOS gets "excellent" battery life either. The ipad gets excellent battery life, but then again my full Windows tablet gets 10-12 hours and that's with a full OS, which to me means I should expect that much more out of my ipad. My iphone 5 gets kind of crappy battery life I'd say.

 

[kdarling]

What is clear is most android phones are slapped together with off the shelf parts and then have the OS dropped in and it might run great or it might run like complete and total ass. The end result being androids wonderful reputation for bugs, security holes, lag, poor battery life, instability and dodgy app issues.

No doubt many cheap phones are done that way.

However, the major Android manufacturers have R&D groups... including divisions in the USA... that extend and optimize the code for their own products.

It's like that DAC issue I have on the GS4 when the EQ is enabled after the last AT&T update. It's a stupid problem to have that a little vetting and optimization would handle. That would never happen with iOS.

Bugs get through on any OS. They're half the reason why iOS gets updates.

Remember New Year's alarm bugs. Safari crashes. Buffer overruns. Eternally growing location cache. WCDMA power output bug that overloaded cell sites. Etc.

.

 

[sentinelsx]

Galaxy Gear smart watch, Galaxy Note 3? I have to admit that note 3 is pretty unbelievable. The smart watch is cool but I hate the design, not liking the screws. I do however love the faux leather backing of the Note 3. Oh and it can record 4k video and has 3gb of ram. That is amazing.

What do you all think? Looks like Samsung raised the bar even further. Apple really has to come out with something on the 10th and it better not be just a fingerprint reader and colors.

Well I guess all the rest of android devices are now crap since they don't have the innovative and user experience boosting 3gb of ram.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Some of this was funny: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Paro...nouncement-says-the-S-stands-for-same_id47193

iPhone 5S Parody. The S stands for Same.

 

[jamezr]

Well I guess all the rest of android devices are now crap since they don't have the innovative and user experience boosting 3gb of ram.

Nonsense! Now you are trolling...

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Some of this was funny: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Paro...nouncement-says-the-S-stands-for-same_id47193

iPhone 5S Parody. The S stands for Same.

OMG...that was funny!

 

[NT1440]

Some may call it more optimized, others may call it lacking functionality and features.

iOS, from a structural standpoint, is more optimized to run better on lesser hardware. Feature set has nothing to do with it.

 

[Black Magic]

I didn't read through all 10+ pages of threads so forgive me if this has already been said.

I think the Galaxy Gear is horrible. It wasn't thought out and was clearly rushed to market just to be first. I imagine sales on this item to be minimum. Reason being is:

1. It compliments a phone. If you have a phone, why would you need it?

2. You need a Galaxy Note 3 for it to work. Sales will suffer dramatically on this alone.

3. 24 Hour battery life maybe or is it 8 hours?

4. Watches are fashion accessories at this point. The Gear does not fall in that category at all.

5. Only serious gadget geeks will buy this or a smart watch in general IMHO.

I would anticipate Apple doing something much better but not sure if it will sell if it only compliments a cell phone. It needs to replace a cell phone. Things that I think Apple could do to hit a home run:

1. Face Time via smart watch.
2. Smart Watch that has its own phone number.
3. Battery life of 5 days+.
4. Waterproof.

Again, I doubt smart watches will take off. If Apple does the things above, I think it may take off.

 

[Markyboy81]

I didn't read through all 10+ pages of threads so forgive me if this has already been said.

I think the Galaxy Gear is horrible. It wasn't thought out and was clearly rushed to market just to be first. I imagine sales on this item to be minimum. Reason being is:

1. It compliments a phone. If you have a phone, why would you need it?

2. You need a Galaxy Note 3 for it to work. Sales will suffer dramatically on this alone.

3. 24 Hour battery life maybe or is it 8 hours?

4. Watches are fashion accessories at this point. The Gear does not fall in that category at all.

5. Only serious gadget geeks will buy this or a smart watch in general IMHO.

I would anticipate Apple doing something much better but not sure if it will sell if it only compliments a cell phone. It needs to replace a cell phone. Things that I think Apple could do to hit a home run:

1. Face Time via smart watch.
2. Smart Watch that has its own phone number.
3. Battery life of 5 days+.
4. Waterproof.

Again, I doubt smart watches will take off. If Apple does the things above, I think it may take off.

I agree with some of what you've written here but I do think there is a case for having a smartwatch that compliments the phone rather than replacing it. An example is whilst running/cycling, in meetings at work where it would be frowned upon to pull your phone out or when you're out and about and might not hear your phone (I always leave mine on vibrate and often miss it when it goes off).
Regarding battery life it definitely needs to last 5 days or more but if it did offer facetime you can forget that.
My requirements would be;
1. Screen always needs to be on and shouldn't require any button pressing just to see the time.
2. 5 day battery life or more.
3. Ability to answer messages with preset responses or even via inbuilt keyboard although this could be fiddly.
4. To not look like a 'smartwatch', that's to say relatively stylish.

I would also quite like a smartwatch to be independent from the phone and be able to run apps on its own. I'm interested in the Omate smartwatch but I'm cynical as to how long the battery will last.
At the moment the pebble seems to be the only smartwatch that can meet most of my requirements.

 

[Zwhaler]

Ah, I get your point.

Unfortunately, I don't think Android can get iOS like battery life without becoming more iOS-like.

These are also very good points:

Android handsets deal with this by overcompensating for unoptimized hardware/software... my Note 2 gets amazing battery life with its thin profile... 4,200mAh battery. Apparently Samsung made tweaks to get better battery life out of hardware/software optimizations in new devices like the Note 3 so we'll see if this trend continues and becomes the norm.

 

[Black Magic]

I agree with some of what you've written here but I do think there is a case for having a smartwatch that compliments the phone rather than replacing it. An example is whilst running/cycling, in meetings at work where it would be frowned upon to pull your phone out or when you're out and about and might not hear your phone (I always leave mine on vibrate and often miss it when it goes off).
Regarding battery life it definitely needs to last 5 days or more but if it did offer facetime you can forget that.
My requirements would be;
1. Screen always needs to be on and shouldn't require any button pressing just to see the time.
2. 5 day battery life or more.
3. Ability to answer messages with preset responses or even via inbuilt keyboard although this could be fiddly.
4. To not look like a 'smartwatch', that's to say relatively stylish.

I would also quite like a smartwatch to be independent from the phone and be able to run apps on its own. I'm interested in the Omate smartwatch but I'm cynical as to how long the battery will last.
At the moment the pebble seems to be the only smartwatch that can meet most of my requirements.

You make some interesting points that I agree with. I was coming from another angle though when I wanted it independent with its own phone number. I say this because I'm thinking about those days when you are at a entertainment park and don't want to lose your phone by being on a rollercoaster but you want to be in contact. Going to a waterpark and being able to have a smartwatch that can make calls, SIRI, and be waterproof would be attractive to me.

 

[Markyboy81]

You make some interesting points that I agree with. I was coming from another angle though when I wanted it independent with its own phone number. I say this because I'm thinking about those days when you are at a entertainment park and don't want to lose your phone by being on a rollercoaster but you want to be in contact. Going to a waterpark and being able to have a smartwatch that can make calls, SIRI, and be waterproof would be attractive to me.

I'm with you on this one, you should check out Omate on kickstarter as this appears to offer everything you describe with the option of inserting a micro sim, my only concern would be battery life -all they say is that it has standby time of 100 hours, which is meaningless.

 

[skratch77]

I didn't read through all 10+ pages of threads so forgive me if this has already been said.

I think the Galaxy Gear is horrible. It wasn't thought out and was clearly rushed to market just to be first. I imagine sales on this item to be minimum. Reason being is:

1. It compliments a phone. If you have a phone, why would you need it?

2. You need a Galaxy Note 3 for it to work. Sales will suffer dramatically on this alone.

3. 24 Hour battery life maybe or is it 8 hours?

4. Watches are fashion accessories at this point. The Gear does not fall in that category at all.

5. Only serious gadget geeks will buy this or a smart watch in general IMHO.

I would anticipate Apple doing something much better but not sure if it will sell if it only compliments a cell phone. It needs to replace a cell phone. Things that I think Apple could do to hit a home run:

1. Face Time via smart watch.
2. Smart Watch that has its own phone number.
3. Battery life of 5 days+.
4. Waterproof.

Again, I doubt smart watches will take off. If Apple does the things above, I think it may take off.

1 its made to complement the bigger size of phablets.ever try taking a note 2 out of your poker to answer a quick call?

2 galaxy gear is made to run on all the galaxy series from the gs3 all the way threw to the gs4 mini.they will all receive an over the air update and was said that update is coming in October.its ironic because that is also when you can actually buy the gear also.so chill out as it will work across the whole galaxy line up once its out.

3 how long do you expect a 350mah battery to last? The Qualcomm watch lasts 3 days but has 3x bigger battery

4 this was never made as a fashion statement and from the ground up has s specific market just like when Samsung took a chance with the phablet and now everyone is making bigger screen phones.

5 if you don't like it don't buy it

 

[Black Magic]

1 its made to complement the bigger size of phablets.ever try taking a note 2 out of your poker to answer a quick call?

2 galaxy gear is made to run on all the galaxy series from the gs3 all the way threw to the gs4 mini.they will all receive an over the air update and was said that update is coming in October.its ironic because that is also when you can actually buy the gear also.so chill out as it will work across the whole galaxy line up once its out.

3 how long do you expect a 350mah battery to last? The Qualcomm watch lasts 3 days but has 3x bigger battery

4 this was never made as a fashion statement and from the ground up has s specific market just like when Samsung took a chance with the phablet and now everyone is making bigger screen phones.

5 if you don't like it don't buy it

Easy Bronco. Seems like you are getting very sensitive regarding a South Korean Company product.

1. No. I wouldn't buy a massive phone in the first place especially if you feel the need to have an add on accessory to use it.

2. Galaxy S3 has been waiting many months to get that elusive update. I'll believe it when I see it.

3. I don't care about your defensive response to the battery they chose. Maybe there were better choices, maybe the design is not optimized for more battery life. At the end of the day, 24 hours r 8 hours is not good enough. Period.

4. This supports why I believe it won't sell well. Gadget Geeks niche market.

5. I won't buy it even it it sold for $50.

 

[skratch77]

Easy Bronco. Seems like you are getting very sensitive regarding a South Korean Company product.

1. No. I wouldn't buy a massive phone in the first place especially if you feel the need to have an add on accessory to use it.

2. Galaxy S3 has been waiting many months to get that elusive update. I'll believe it when I see it.

3. I don't care about your defensive response to the battery they chose. Maybe there were better choices, maybe the design is not optimized for more battery life. At the end of the day, 24 hours r 8 hours is not good enough. Period.

4. This supports why I believe it won't sell well. Gadget Geeks niche market.

5. I won't buy it even it it sold for $50.

What are you talking about? The galaxy s3 is running the same exact version of android as the gs4

Samsung has not pushed 4.3 touchwiz to any galaxy phone yet and not even the gs4 has it so I don't know what gs3 owners have been waiting for months for

Even the gs2 is on official 4.2 jelly bean

You post your biased opinion about the galaxy gear yet have no clue of what Samsung has on its devices.

You will believe it when you see it? Really ? How much do you want to bet the gs3 will get official support for the galaxy gear?

One thing Samsung has been good at is updating its phones and when they say they will get the update there is no reason to think they won't.it will only effect sales of there up coming gear and makes no sense at all to not push touchiz 4.3

 

[Black Magic]

What are you talking about? The galaxy s3 is running the same exact version of android as the gs4

Samsung has not pushed 4.3 touchwiz to any galaxy phone yet and not even the gs4 has it so I don't know what gs3 owners have been waiting for months for

Even the gs2 is on official 4.2 jelly bean

You post your biased opinion about the galaxy gear yet have no clue of what Samsung has on its devices.

You will believe it when you see it? Really ? How much do you want to bet the gs3 will get official support for the galaxy gear?

One thing Samsung has been good at is updating its phones and when they say they will get the update there is no reason to think they won't.it will only effect sales of there up coming gear and makes no sense at all to not push touchiz 4.3

How can you defend Samsung so passionately and yet be so sensitive and misinformed? S3 is on 4.1 and has been waiting months for 4.2 only for it to be pushed back again and again is not what I call "Samsung being good about updating there phones".

 

[tbayrgs]

What are you talking about? The galaxy s3 is running the same exact version of android as the gs4

Samsung has not pushed 4.3 touchwiz to any galaxy phone yet and not even the gs4 has it so I don't know what gs3 owners have been waiting for months for

Even the gs2 is on official 4.2 jelly bean

You post your biased opinion about the galaxy gear yet have no clue of what Samsung has on its devices.

You will believe it when you see it? Really ? How much do you want to bet the gs3 will get official support for the galaxy gear?

One thing Samsung has been good at is updating its phones and when they say they will get the update there is no reason to think they won't.it will only effect sales of there up coming gear and makes no sense at all to not push touchiz 4.3

You need to double check your facts--Black Magic is correct, the S3 is only on 4.1.2 (AT&T just got it in July) and only the S2 Plus on a German carrier had received an update to 4.2. In fact there's doubt that the S2 itself will ever see 4.2. Regardless, it should be a moot point as Samsung has stated they'll be rolling out 4.3 to the S3 and S4 in October, thus adding compatibility with the Gear to those devices. The greater problem is that it's only compatible with a select few Samsung devices--a move I'd expect from Apple and a huge mistake, IMO.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Also, the Note 10.1 2014 seems to be GREAT, particularly because:

- Wacom pen support
- windowed multitasking out of the box
- microSD

Three things you'll never get with an iPad. I may be completely switching - got fed up with the closedness of Apple.

 

[bnnentertainmen]

yeah man the new note products are AWESOME the smartwatch is also OK, i think apple will have to speed up it's game to catch up with samsung.