The trackpad wouldn't click if they were trully off, since that requires power. That's what used to happen with older Mac's - you switch off, your trackpad hapctics were dead because your system was off. With M1/M2 you "switch off" your trackpad still clicks. Meaning they are in a very low power state but certainly not OFF.
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Disable Auto boot on M1 Pro Mac
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@Technerd108, I fully agree with you and your sentiments over the last 7 pages.
There should be options for
- auto boot on lid opening
- any key to boot
- boot on AC charger connected.
I’d certainly turn off the first two on my M2 Air. The last item is relevant if you are rocking clamshell mode. I need to open and close the lid every morning for the M2 Air to boot up and then function in clamshell mode.
There should be options for
- auto boot on lid opening
- any key to boot
- boot on AC charger connected.
I’d certainly turn off the first two on my M2 Air. The last item is relevant if you are rocking clamshell mode. I need to open and close the lid every morning for the M2 Air to boot up and then function in clamshell mode.
I said roughly the same extent. 99.9% of the power in all these computers is used by the big hitters: display, SoC or CPU, GPU if there's a discrete one, SSD, and so forth. All of that still gets either fully or mostly powered down. In many cases the switchmode power regulator generating a supply rail gets shut down, in others power FETs (silicon switches) disconnect the rail from what it would normally power.
There's always been fraction-of-a-percent systems which remain powered all the time. Apple Silicon Macs do have slightly more included in this category, hence the trackpad haptics remaining live, but as a percentage of the whole, what's powered up while "off" is still about the same. If it wasn't, AS Macs would drain their battery while "off" super fast, and they don't.
Funnily enough, my brand new, sealed box base spec M1 Pro MPB came with a completely drained battery. Based on battery manufacturing date it took roughly 9 months between it being put into the box and me purchasing it. 9 months isn't that much time, and in all previous decades of using battery powered devices I'd never had battery go flat in less than a year if the device was switched off.
Who? I have never heard of such behavior and I’m in the industry. I will make it a point to avoid those carriers.
Some smaller ones that service the oilfield, that's my experience. Some others in the thread have had issue if memory serves
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If we're clutching at straws, it had 2 cycles, so pretty standard for brand new QC tested Apple devices. Obviously I don't know for sure what level the battery was charged to but I'd say it's pretty safe to say that Apple's manufacturing processes are fairly solid and standardised, so I doubt that the 2 cycles and susequent QC sign off would have resulted in a battery which wasn't topped up to where it should have been before it ended up in the box.
I assume you don't travel internationally very much. It's not always the user who opens the device. Apart from insisting computers be removed from cases for "carry on" flight baggage customs occasionally insist on opening the device. Presumably to ensure it actually is a computer.I think you have just answered your own questiontwo steps to one. If you open the lid why would you not want it to power on ?
Actually I do travel internationally and the reason that security in certain countries want you to open the device is for you to turn it on to prove that it is a working computer (and not just a laptop shell with something else inside), so Apple just saved you some time
.There are some times that I wish it did not auto turn on when you open the lid (To clean the screen for example). But I can live with it, as most of the time I do want to to turn on when I open the lid YMMV.
In my case they only opened and closed it again. One officer even suggested I should turn it off before packing it for travel. I then had to explain that it was off until he opened it. Then I have to pack it all up again only to have to remove it again in the departure lounge to turn it off and pack it away again.
Goodness are we still here?
I find it rather hard to take seriously the people arguing that its ok when the machine boots on opening. What if you don't, what business is it of yours that I want it to be like all the computers I've had since 1984? Switched off - and STAY switched off.
It's fine that you can't imagine that desire - but please respect others wants, like we do yours.
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I find it rather hard to take seriously the people arguing that its ok when the machine boots on opening. What if you don't, what business is it of yours that I want it to be like all the computers I've had since 1984? Switched off - and STAY switched off.
It's fine that you can't imagine that desire - but please respect others wants, like we do yours.
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I have my MBP built into a case that lives on a cart. The cart gets shuttled to different locations every day on a truck. There are clips which hold the computer to the case it sits on. I can't fully close the lid so every morning the computer's battery is dead. This isnt something I can just live with anymore. There must be some way to turn off this feature.
I must be missing something. What is preventing the computer from sleeping in the scenario you just described? I don’t see an auto-boot relationship.
Do you even have an M1 Mac?
The ASi systems DO start up from a lid open when they're supposedly 'shut down'. This should be a toggleable behavior because if I want the thing to spring to life, there's already a feature for that. It's called STANDBY. If I'm actually bringing down the machine, you best bet there's a reason which means having it listen to the lid sensor is a dumb idea, like maintenence for example, imagine being a tech at ****ing Apple themselves and having to deal with this on a repair job! Or having the thing start at 30000 feet in the air and killing itself over a stray magnet. These things can be WORKSTATIONS, people can have usecases for them beyond sitting at home on a shelf until you need to edit a PDF. Again, if you like the lid open start up behavior there's already such things like 'preferences' and 'sleep mode', but I want my system to be actually cold when I tell it to go cold, because I may not be there to soothe it back to shutdown if a magnet starts it in the trunk of a car or the carry-on bin of a plane. Also these keyboards are fingerprint magnets so cleaning is a real thing.
What I don't understand is why anyone with a basic understanding of computers would argue that an auto boot feature on any key and or opening the lid that can't be changed is a good idea?
As I have said many times before why is there a power button since it is redundant and unnecessary?
It is such a pain in the @ss that you can't just toggle off auto boot altogether. If you like it and want it then great but there are a lot of people who don't want it so why can't we have the same option.
Apple can make some of the most incredible hardware, CPU and GPU and laptop design and cripple it with a feature that isn't even needed. It is more to let everyone know that you have a Mac and to phone home to Apple servers.
As I have said many times before why is there a power button since it is redundant and unnecessary?
It is such a pain in the @ss that you can't just toggle off auto boot altogether. If you like it and want it then great but there are a lot of people who don't want it so why can't we have the same option.
Apple can make some of the most incredible hardware, CPU and GPU and laptop design and cripple it with a feature that isn't even needed. It is more to let everyone know that you have a Mac and to phone home to Apple servers.
Hi Kpjoslee, I'm interested in the app you linked in your post, have you tried it on an M1/M2 Mac and is it free? The site says "free download" but we all know what that often means.Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there is an option to disable auto-boot on M1 based macbooks.
I use keyboardcleantool when I need to clean the keyboard.
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This is not exactly a solution, but it might help with the helicopter/air carrier situation. On my 13 inch M1 MBP, I was able to find the sensor that triggers sleep/wake/boot based on lid position. It is between the edge of the case and the Caps Lock key on my machine (about a 1cm^2 area) By covering this area with a thin steel plate (I used a small steel ruler) I was able to open the machine without it waking/booting. The steel was thin enough that it didn’t interfere with the mechanics of the lid.
It could be something you could tape to the laptop for transit and remove later. If you’re worried about the thickness and damage to the screen they also sell “steel tape” designed to attach magnets to that would be much softer and less likely to damage the glass.
It could be something you could tape to the laptop for transit and remove later. If you’re worried about the thickness and damage to the screen they also sell “steel tape” designed to attach magnets to that would be much softer and less likely to damage the glass.
Open System Settings, Just type "stealth" in the search field or Network > Firewall > Options...
Scroll to the bottom, turn off "Enable stealth mode".
Hi AMMUGAMMU,
I have never had "Stealth Mode" ON, and I've experienced unwanted "auto-boot"s under Ventura. I'm now running Sonoma, but I haven't tested the auto-boot -- and I still don't have Stealth Mode enabled. Thanks for the information, I'll test it out.
Solouki
Well its now November, and after upgrading to an M2 I discover this seriously irritating "feature" is still with us...
Has anyone heard *anything* from the distortion field merchants as to why we cant simply switch it off?
It beggars belief that they don't have the time/energy/respect for people paying £4.5k for their kit to just sort it out (yes, unfortunately, I need a Mac, so simply sticking with the PCs isn't an option).
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Has anyone heard *anything* from the distortion field merchants as to why we cant simply switch it off?
It beggars belief that they don't have the time/energy/respect for people paying £4.5k for their kit to just sort it out (yes, unfortunately, I need a Mac, so simply sticking with the PCs isn't an option).
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Apple just likes it that way. I think they view it as a benefit to users that a Mac is just "there" when you need it.
I decide when I need my mac, certainly not apple.
And its fine, that it does the auto power on, but it is certainly not fine that they don't give us the option to switch it off.
But then, I've been dealing with apple for 35 years or so (less so recently, I got old) I really ought not be surprised...
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