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Ambrosia7177

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I'm getting really worried about AI.

I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone 15 Pro Max and have been holding off getting an iPhone 16 Pro Max because I fear that Apple's AI will be spying on my and dowloading all of my data to teach AI.

Then I unknowingly upgraded to iOS 18.0.1 and apparently it have AI in it as well, so now I am feeling totally f'ed.

(Someone needs to come up with an open-source OS for iPhones - like Linux - but of course Apple will never allow that...)
 

Ambrosia7177

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A user has to manually enable AI on the device. Don’t enable if you are worried.

Is that a function of hardware, software (iOS), or both?

Should I be more worried about the iPhone model or the iOS version or both?
 

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Considering that your ISP is likely spying on you, and your cell provider is probably spying on you (conspiracy theories aside, your cell traffic goes through their systems, after all), and your personal information is likely on the dark web, I'd say your phone's AI is the least of your problems. Privacy is a myth in the 21st century. :p

But if you're concerned about your new Apple AI, you can just go to Settings > Apple Intelligence and Siri and just turn off everything. Now you can rest easy and know that your AI isn't spying on you, just large corporations, your government (and other governments too), and the vast majority of the commercial Internet. :cool:
 

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Considering that your ISP is likely spying on you, and your cell provider is probably spying on you (conspiracy theories aside, your cell traffic goes through their systems, after all), and your personal information is likely on the dark web, I'd say your phone's AI is the least of your problems. Privacy is a myth in the 21st century. :p

But if you're concerned about your new Apple AI, you can just go to Settings > Apple Intelligence and Siri and just turn off everything. Now you can rest easy and know that your AI isn't spying on you, just large corporations, your government (and other governments too), and the vast majority of the commercial Internet. :cool:

You are correct about all of that.

But my concern is Apple using AI to scrap all of my data off my phone and use it for "learning" or flat out STEALING my content.

I don't claim to be an expert on AI, but I do know that a lot of companies are stealing artists work for their profit. (And while Adobe denies this, I don't believe them!)

When I go to settings, I don't see "Apple Intelligence"...
 

coffeemilktea

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But my concern is Apple using AI to scrap all of my data off my phone and use it for "learning" or flat out STEALING my content.
Apple claims to not use your data for training, though there's no easy way for anyone to really test that. 🤷‍♂️

When I go to settings, I don't see "Apple Intelligence"...
Yeah, I just realized you said you were on iOS 18.0.1. Apple Intelligence was added in 18.1, so your phone isn't affected. ✌
 

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But my concern is Apple using AI to scrap all of my data off my phone and use it for "learning" or flat out STEALING my content.
Apple has a white paper that explains this here: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple-foundation-models

Key quote:

Protect privacy: We protect our users' privacy with powerful on-device processing and groundbreaking infrastructure like Private Cloud Compute. We do not use our users' private personal data or user interactions when training our foundation models.
 

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Ambrosia7177

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Apple claims to not use your data for training, though there's no easy way for anyone to really test that. 🤷‍♂️

Can't say that I trust Apple...


Yeah, I just realized you said you were on iOS 18.0.1. Apple Intelligence was added in 18.1, so your phone isn't affected. ✌

I misspoke. I had 18.0.1 but when I updated things last night, I now have 18.1 on my iPhone 11 Pro Max.

Don't see "Apple Intelligence" listed eitehr by itself or under Siri - which I have locked down.
 
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I misspoke. I had 18.0.1 but when I updated things last night, I now have 18.1 on my iPhone 11 Pro Max.

Don't see "Apple Intelligence" listed eitehr by itself or under Siri - which I have locked down.
iPhone 11 Pro Max doesn't run any Apple Intelligence, it's not supported.

If you're buying an iPhone 16, follow previous advice and disable Apple Intelligence in the settings.

If Apple Intelligence does not appear in the settings, it's not running. Either because of region limitations or hardware limitations.
 

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I'm getting really worried about AI.

I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone 15 Pro Max and have been holding off getting an iPhone 16 Pro Max because I fear that Apple's AI will be spying on my and dowloading all of my data to teach AI.

Then I unknowingly upgraded to iOS 18.0.1 and apparently it have AI in it as well, so now I am feeling totally f'ed.

(Someone needs to come up with an open-source OS for iPhones - like Linux - but of course Apple will never allow that...)
Apple have ben very clear repeatedly that they cant and wont steal any data. Its a fact that is 3rd party verified apparently.

If you dont believe them... well not sure what else to say.

Personally, I dont use Google services as I fully expect my data to be mishandled but thats an informed decision I can make based on what I perceive the companies are doing.

All that said.. as others have said there is far far more going on around you with your data thats completely out of Apple's remit - dont cut off you nose to spite your face as the saying goes.

Frankly, even if I did think that Apple were surreptitiously stealing my data despite clear and public assurances to the contrary.... they are welcome to it - theres nothing of interest to anyone in anything I have or do.
 

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I'm getting really worried about AI.

I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone 15 Pro Max and have been holding off getting an iPhone 16 Pro Max because I fear that Apple's AI will be spying on my and dowloading all of my data to teach AI.

Then I unknowingly upgraded to iOS 18.0.1 and apparently it have AI in it as well, so now I am feeling totally f'ed.

(Someone needs to come up with an open-source OS for iPhones - like Linux - but of course Apple will never allow that...)
Yeah, yeah, and in a couple years, he'll create skynet and start a terminator uprising. Until then, everyone will be terrorized by robot vacuum cleaners and smart microwaves. ))))
All mobile devices “spy” on the owner. Apps collect information, ads by preference, etc. If you don't want it to collect information, buy a button phone from the 2000s. Or put a tinfoil hat on your head - they will see that the person is not himself and will not contact you ))))
 
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Mr.Fox

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Actually, once the AI becomes sentient, it then accuses you of spying on it... er him/her... AIim/AIer??? And then soon AIim/AIer starts griping about your unwanted touches. ;)
Artificial intelligence.Him. This is a hardware-software complex, so when the AI learns self-identification, self-awareness, then it will say who it is - he, she or it.
 
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Ambrosia7177

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Apple have ben very clear repeatedly that they cant and wont steal any data. Its a fact that is 3rd party verified apparently.

Maybe true today, but the "line in the sand" always seems to move in Corporate America.

Just sayin...


If you dont believe them... well not sure what else to say.

Apple is the best show in town, so if I want to use technology, it's my best choice.

But it never hurts to be skeptical.


Personally, I dont use Google services as I fully expect my data to be mishandled but thats an informed decision I can make based on what I perceive the companies are doing.

I agree, and avoid Google.


All that said.. as others have said there is far far more going on around you with your data thats completely out of Apple's remit - dont cut off you nose to spite your face as the saying goes.

Understood, but I think my paranoia about AI is justified.


Frankly, even if I did think that Apple were surreptitiously stealing my data despite clear and public assurances to the contrary.... they are welcome to it - theres nothing of interest to anyone in anything I have or do.

But there is value in what is on my iPhone and MacBook Pro's... ;-)
 

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Yeah, yeah, and in a couple years, he'll create skynet and start a terminator uprising. Until then, everyone will be terrorized by robot vacuum cleaners and smart microwaves. ))))
All mobile devices “spy” on the owner. Apps collect information, ads by preference, etc. If you don't want it to collect information, buy a button phone from the 2000s. Or put a tinfoil hat on your head - they will see that the person is not himself and will not contact you ))))

I use my iPhones for photography and videography for my business, so what happens with that content *is* important to me.

People need to move on from, "Oh, big deal, so company XYZ will send me targeted advertisements"
 

Mr.Fox

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I use my iPhones for photography and videography for my business, so what happens with that content *is* important to me.

People need to move on from, "Oh, big deal, so company XYZ will send me targeted advertisements"
To shoot materials so necessary to the business use a camera. You can choose your own brand preferences. Then exactly no information will not be lost, only if you do not lose a memory card in the bar, as apple employees like to do before the presentation of new products)))).
 

cateye

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Let's break this down.

I'm getting really worried about AI.

Is it worry or is it an unwillingness to do the work to understand something that is manifesting as worry? Worried about what exactly? Worry suggests an emotional reaction to the threat of harm. How, exactly, will you be harmed?

I don't claim to be an expert on AI

Few who identify things as "worries" "concerns" "red flags" or other emotional rather than reasoned reactions are.

(And while Adobe denies this, I don't believe them!)
Can't say that I trust Apple...

Got it. Then people offering you links to Apple's or Adobe's public positions on these matters and where their training data comes from isn't going to ally your concerns, so I'm not certain what you're asking for or what we can offer.

Wish there was a way to run an open-source OS on my iPhone for greater privacy and security.

The whole point—literally the only point—of owning an iPhone is to accept the ecosystem and all that it offers in terms of tight hardware, services, and software integration. There are cons to this approach, absolutely, but there are practical benefits to average users willing to set aside their concerns and accept the day-to-day benefits. The moment you are not able to set aside concerns or are raising concerns that are beyond the scope of what the ecosystem can address, then the iPhone is the wrong phone for you. There is nobility in aligning with the open-source movement and its ideals, and I don't think anyone here would fault you for saying, "you know what, I'm out. I've done my homework, and I want predictable, structural control over my mobile device and how it operates, and am willing to invest the time and knowledge to do so." There are AOSP-based forks of Android that are fully open source and auditable. LineageOS comes to mind. They offer complete control over which modules and capabilities you wish to enable, understanding that you lose the integration that single-point-of-control systems like Apple offers.

Understood, but I think my paranoia about AI is justified.

We're back to the beginning. "paranoia" suggests a threat of immediate, mortal harm. Rather than asking open-ended questions that no one can answer, and presenting fears no one can address, perhaps you should identify the source of such an over-the-top reaction to what is, in the end, one software feature among many and not a particularly vital one at that.

Apple has staked a significant amount of its appeal and brand identity trying to address privacy and data security while still offering a largely closed-source, fully-integrated ecosystem. Your only choice is to either take those promises and self-audits at their word, or directly address your concerns quantitatively through alternative platforms.
 
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Ambrosia7177

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Then why not use a dedicated camera instead, and edit on Linux?

I started using my iPhone for photography/videography when my old DSLR died a couple of years ago. With advances in iPhone technology, most of the time my iPhone is as good as a new mirrorless. More importantly, with an iPhone, I can always have a camera/video camera on my person.

Might buy a mirrorless next year for better quality, but then I am sacrificing mobility.

As far as Linux, I guess it would add privacy in my day-to-day computing, but then it would create an issue with editing video as I use DaVinci Resolve.

Considering that AI is being added into new iPhones, I might want to re-think things as far as my iPhone goes.

The video above is stuff I mostly knew, but a scary reminder of the future.

Of course, with future presidents and world leaders, what could go wrong?! ;-)
 

Ambrosia7177

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Let's break this down.

Is it worry or is it an unwillingness to do the work to understand something that is manifesting as worry? Worried about what exactly? Worry suggests an emotional reaction to the threat of harm. How, exactly, will you be harmed?

There have been a lot of artists in the news who have had their work stolen by Big Tech, modern software, and AI. (After Adobe went to its cloud-only model, and after reading other people's concerns and issues, I have decided to never use Adobe again.)

Yes, I have a lot to learn. Although with the fall of American Democracy, I have kind of been busy the last few years... ;-)


Few who identify things as "worries" "concerns" "red flags" or other emotional rather than reasoned reactions are.

I don't claim to be an expert on AI (yet), but I read enough to know there are legitimate concerns.

And to be frank, I don't have to understand things entirely to know if a potential risk exists.

I am not a chemist, but have enough sense to know that genetical modified foods and plastics are posing ENORMOUS health-risks to humans.

I do not have a Ph.D. in security, but I know that if you put your entire life into social media or your phone, eventually you will get burned.


Got it. Then people offering you links to Apple's or Adobe's public positions on these matters and where their training data comes from isn't going to ally your concerns, so I'm not certain what you're asking for or what we can offer.

I appreciate the links, and will read them.

But it's not a crime to be skeptical...

(And I must trust Apple enough to keep using their products - for now.)


The whole point—literally the only point—of owning an iPhone is to accept the ecosystem and all that it offers in terms of tight hardware, services, and software integration. There are cons to this approach, absolutely, but there are practical benefits to average users willing to set aside their concerns and accept the day-to-day benefits. The moment you are not able to set aside concerns or are raising concerns that are beyond the scope of what the ecosystem can address, then the iPhone is the wrong phone for you.

I'm just trying to stay ahead of the curve.

I will have to trust that - for now - my solution is as simple as TURNING OFF Apple AI on any new iPhones or any existing iPhones with iOS 18.1+ installed.

(I think the person that can build a competing neutal iPhone clone that allows you to install open-source software will be a very rich person some day!)


There is nobility in aligning with the open-source movement and its ideals, and I don't think anyone here would fault you for saying, "you know what, I'm out. I've done my homework, and I want predictable, structural control over my mobile device and how it operates, and am willing to invest the time and knowledge to do so." There are AOSP-based forks of Android that are fully open source and auditable. LineageOS comes to mind. They offer complete control over which modules and capabilities you wish to enable, understanding that you lose the integration that single-point-of-control systems like Apple offers.

Good to know, but I would still not trust hardware that is associated with Google! ;-)


We're back to the beginning. "paranoia" suggests a threat of immediate, mortal harm.

Without going too deep and getting flagged here, a lot of Americans have been "paranoid" about potential events that ultimately have manifested themselves and threatened out country and democracy (e.g. 911, January 6, etc.)

The way to avoid serious harm is to ask tough questions and anticipate...


Rather than asking open-ended questions that no one can answer, and presenting fears no one can address, perhaps you should identify the source of such an over-the-top reaction to what is, in the end, one software feature among many and not a particularly vital one at that.

There is a continent of research already discussing the dangers of AI - it's just a matter of *when* those threats become realities.

You sound like you are coming from a place of, "Corporate America can do no harm."

History shows that Big Tech has almost always made the wrong decisions for the public over the last 25 years.



Apple has staked a significant amount of its appeal and brand identity trying to address privacy and data security while still offering a largely closed-source, fully-integrated ecosystem. Your only choice is to either take those promises and self-audits at their word, or directly address your concerns quantitatively through alternative platforms.

I understand that. Trust is the core of all privacy and security. But things change, and trust needs to be repeatedly earned, not a one-and-done thing.

I will trust that the advice here of turning off Apple's AI is sufficient for my needs for now.

But I'd probably be much safer with a Brownie camera and a sun dial watch! *LOL*
 
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You are correct about all of that.

But my concern is Apple using AI to scrap all of my data off my phone and use it for "learning" or flat out STEALING my content.

I don't claim to be an expert on AI, but I do know that a lot of companies are stealing artists work for their profit. (And while Adobe denies this, I don't believe them!)

When I go to settings, I don't see "Apple Intelligence"...
You don't have to worry about Apple Intelligence in this regard. The whole point of their pitch of apple intelligence was that it either stays on-device (so they're not training new models on your data) or it goes to a specific private instance on a server that third parties can verify the privacy of, making it essentially as private and secure as "on device".
Now, you can say "I don't believe them when they say this", but the third party security experts can and will independently verify their claims AND, if you don't believe them, then why are you using ANY technology, because they could have hovered up your data regardless of Apple Intelligence for years now.
 
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