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Ambrosia7177

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You don't have to worry about Apple Intelligence in this regard. The whole point of their pitch of apple intelligence was that it either stays on-device (so they're not training new models on your data) or it goes to a specific private instance on a server that third parties can verify the privacy of, making it essentially as private and secure as "on device".
Now, you can say "I don't believe them when they say this", but the third party security experts can and will independently verify their claims AND, if you don't believe them, then why are you using ANY technology, because they could have hovered up your data regardless of Apple Intelligence for years now.

Good to know.

But you don't think they are looking at my photos and video and using that for something?
 

Contact_Feanor

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Good to know.

But you don't think they are looking at my photos and video and using that for something?
I do not think they are. The only place they could do that, is on your iCloud backup and iCloud storage, all the rest is encrypted. If you don't want them to be able to read your iCloud backup etc, you can turn on encryption there as well, but that does mean if you ever lose your iCloud password, there's no way to restore to a backup. here's how to do that: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756
 

cateye

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I understand that. Trust is the core of all privacy and security. But things change, and trust needs to be repeatedly earned, not a one-and-done thing.

I appreciate you taking my post in the spirit it was intended—not attacking your position, but encouraging you to think beyond an emotional reaction. We are not so different—I am farthest from someone who embraces the promises of corporate America, and particularly Apple. I am a frequent critic on here and elsewhere of the ways in which Apple's maudlin marketing excesses are a distraction from the reality of their goals and the function of their products.

However: Also perhaps like you, I'm someone who uses his tools to get work done. My Apple products earn me money and are essential for my trade as a designer. Every day I balance the hills I will die on to make sure I am not threatening my ability to do work and leverage the investments I've made. I am not a fan of paranoia for its own sake—paranoia is a distraction from taking action, or deciding action is not necessary because the risks are not existential enough to demand it.

We all have to chart our own course through technology. I'm a creative professional, same as it sounds like you are. I've had to evolve my approach to copyright and "ownership" over time to reflect the changing reality of attracting and keeping business. I use AI as a creative tool (among many) willingly not because I dismiss its threats or the questions about its foundations, but because to side-step it is to guarantee my eventual irrelevance. AI absolutely will change how you and I do our work, and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. I don't like the idea of rejecting something without fully understanding what I am giving up in the process.

Good luck to you, and I hope you find the right balance in your own endeavors.
 
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Ambrosia7177

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I do not think they are. The only place they could do that, is on your iCloud backup and iCloud storage, all the rest is encrypted. If you don't want them to be able to read your iCloud backup etc, you can turn on encryption there as well, but that does mean if you ever lose your iCloud password, there's no way to restore to a backup. here's how to do that: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756

Don't use (or trust) iCloud, so no worries there.
 

Ambrosia7177

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I appreciate you taking my post in the spirit it was intended—not attacking your position, but encouraging you to think beyond an emotional reaction.

I agree 1000% that unjustified fear is a security and privacy threat.


We are not so different—I am farthest from someone who embraces the promises of corporate America, and particularly Apple. I am a frequent critic on here and elsewhere of the ways in which Apple's maudlin marketing excesses are a distraction from the reality of their goals and the function of their products.

Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs!


However: Also perhaps like you, I'm someone who uses his tools to get work done. My Apple products earn me money and are essential tools for my trade as a designer and my business and contractors.

We are 1/2 alike. We both use our tools for work. Only you are getting paid right now! *LMAO*

(Maybe I should start another thread on how to get paid from my work??)


Every day I balance the hills I will die on to make sure I am not threatening my ability to do work and leverage the investments I've made in these tools. I am not a fan of paranoia for its own sake—paranoia is a distraction from taking action, or deciding action is not necessary because the risks are not existential enough to demand it.

Calculated risks (and rewards). I agree.


We all have to chart our own course through technology. I'm a creative professional, same as it sounds like you are. I've had to evolve my approach to copyright and "ownership" over time to reflect the changing reality of attracting and keeping business.

True.


I use AI as a creative tool willingly not because I dismiss its threats or foundations, but because to side-step it is to guarantee my own irrelevance, and I don't like the idea of rejecting something without fully understanding what I am giving up in the process.

1000% right.

(I just don't have the bandwidth for AI after November 5, 2024.)



Good luck to you, and I hope you find the right balance in your own endeavors.

Yeah, hopefully I will just keep getting screwed by humans for a few more years before AI takes over...
 
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Apple have ben very clear repeatedly that they cant and wont steal any data. Its a fact that is 3rd party verified apparently.

If you dont believe them... well not sure what else to say.

Personally, I dont use Google services as I fully expect my data to be mishandled but thats an informed decision I can make based on what I perceive the companies are doing.

All that said.. as others have said there is far far more going on around you with your data thats completely out of Apple's remit - dont cut off you nose to spite your face as the saying goes.

Frankly, even if I did think that Apple were surreptitiously stealing my data despite clear and public assurances to the contrary.... they are welcome to it - theres nothing of interest to anyone in anything I have or do.
Apple has already been caught using your voice to train Siri. There are a lot of ways for them to use your data and claim it doesn’t fall under their AI claim.
 
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Parowdy

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Is that a function of hardware, software (iOS), or both?

Should I be more worried about the iPhone model or the iOS version or both?
You shouldn’t be worried at all. Where is this mistrust coming from and how is it founded?
If iOS 18.0.1 makes you feel f‘d, sorry but maybe not use a smartphone? If you think Apple spies on you to train their AI, what do you think anyone else has done? Do you use WhatsApp, FaceBook, Instagram or TikTok?
Do you use Photoshop on your computer?
Do you use a VPN when being in the internet?
Apple is probably one of the smallest offenders.
 

GusBougadis

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well, except for google and meta and amazon and...
Yeah, that’s true. But the poster was talking about iPhone. I guess I should have been more specific. There’s spying which can be nefarious or selling ads to push sales. So, there’s two ways to look at it.
 

GusBougadis

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You shouldn’t be worried at all. Where is this mistrust coming from and how is it founded?
If iOS 18.0.1 makes you feel f‘d, sorry but maybe not use a smartphone? If you think Apple spies on you to train their AI, what do you think anyone else has done? Do you use WhatsApp, FaceBook, Instagram or TikTok?
Do you use Photoshop on your computer?
Do you use a VPN when being in the internet?
Apple is probably one of the smallest offenders.
I agree, apple for sure is the least. Ive used android and it’s definitely worse.
 

Ambrosia7177

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You shouldn’t be worried at all. Where is this mistrust coming from and how is it founded?

Because iOS 18.0.1 did NOT have AI in it...


If iOS 18.0.1 makes you feel f‘d, sorry but maybe not use a smartphone?

Good advice, but life is full of trade-offs.

If I didn't use my iPhone as a camera and hotspot, I would fully take your advice.


If you think Apple spies on you to train their AI, what do you think anyone else has done? Do you use WhatsApp, FaceBook, Instagram or TikTok?

Nope. Never have, never will.


Do you use Photoshop on your computer?

No. And I won't use Photoshop now that Adobe went subscription and cloud based.



Do you use a VPN when being in the internet?

Yes.


Apple is probably one of the smallest offenders.

Agreed, but the fear is Apple will let AI get the best of it and go towards the dark side.
 

Ambrosia7177

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Apple has already been caught using your voice to train Siri. There are a lot of ways for them to use your data and claim it doesn’t fall under their AI claim.

Good reminder, and if so, that sort of proves my point with being paranoid about Apple AI...
 

Ambrosia7177

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I agree, apple for sure is the least. Ive used android and it’s definitely worse.

Which is why the suggestion above to try an Android phone and use an open-source OS seems to be at odds.

To be clear, I trust Apple 1000 times more than Microsoft, Google, and so on, but being cautious / skeptical / a tad paranoid is far from being unreasonable.

Furthermore, I came here to inquire so I can make informed decisions - that doesn't exactly place me in the conspiracy-theory category...
 

erihp

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Can't say that I trust Apple...




I misspoke. I had 18.0.1 but when I updated things last night, I now have 18.1 on my iPhone 11 Pro Max.

Don't see "Apple Intelligence" listed eitehr by itself or under Siri - which I have locked down.
if you cant/dont trust Apple, you need to ditch you iPhone now. gl out there
 

GusBougadis

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Which is why the suggestion above to try an Android phone and use an open-source OS seems to be at odds.

To be clear, I trust Apple 1000 times more than Microsoft, Google, and so on, but being cautious / skeptical / a tad paranoid is far from being unreasonable.

Furthermore, I came here to inquire so I can make informed decisions - that doesn't exactly place me in the conspiracy-theory category...
Yes, I understand completely.
 

Sami13496

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Why you are worried specifically about AI spying on you? Why not just iPhone in general. If they are spying on users they don’t need AI for that. It’s just another feature with glorified marketing term.
 

TechnoMonk

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Why live in fear if you don’t trust Apple. Disable AI or buy android or others. There are lot more things you need to worry before Apples AI, if you are paranoid about some one spying on you.
 

Contact_Feanor

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No, I just understand the risks and am not willing to be a door mat like most people.
All due respect, given that you could have used a simple setting to make iCloud verifiably private, but you don't "trust" iCloud, or you don't "trust" Apple Intelligence, even though the safety measures are clearly published and verified, I think you don't understand the risks. You fear risks, and choose to ask a random Internet forum for advice because you don't trust big corporations. That's not understanding the risks.
 

Ambrosia7177

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Your phone has already been spying on you for many years. How is this any different?

Because AI has the ability to steal my *copyrighted* material and then use it to create derivative works and profit off of *MY* work...

AI also is light years ahead of former "spying" and has the ability to build a detailed profile on each of us...
 

Ambrosia7177

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Why you are worried specifically about AI spying on you? Why not just iPhone in general. If they are spying on users they don’t need AI for that. It’s just another feature with glorified marketing term.

Maybe "spying" wasn't the right word. More like gathering my data and using it to feed AI.
 
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