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Ambrosia7177

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Lucky you. Scared me a couple of times seeing, in my case, YouTube videos recommended about something I just talked about with friends.
Although, the most blatant example of this is practically explained by the person I was with having a Sony TV and an Alexa speaker.

As mentioned earlier, I use my iPhone as a mobile hotspot and camera 99% of the time.

And I don't do social media.

So that eliminates most of the threats.

But I don't have a say in whether AI is used on my iPhone if I want to keep it updated - thus my concern.
 

Ambrosia7177

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Oh boy... let me guess, you have Whatsapp on your phone?

Never used.

Facebook?

Never used.

Use Google services?

Never used.

Ever buy something off Amazon?

Never used.

Linux for iPhone: why bother? Get a Linux phone!
You can Google it! 😂🤣

Yes, by all means, start panicking about privacy now...

Is that the best you can come up with?

Maybe start reading at the top of the thread to see what has already been discussed and the reality of things.
 

Ambrosia7177

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Just because most people use those apps, does that mean that everybody does?

Exactly. (Not everyone is into trailer park apps)


I have no social app on my phones (or macs for that matter). I use FaceTime.
I use the iPhones for phone calls, messaging, and banking. On my macs I use VPN, for a few reasons.

So I do not automatically assume everybody use internet the way I do. Because 99% probably does not

Yep.
 

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As mentioned earlier, I use my iPhone as a mobile hotspot and camera 99% of the time.

And I don't do social media.

So that eliminates most of the threats.

But I don't have a say in whether AI is used on my iPhone if I want to keep it updated - thus my concern.
So the toggle to turn it on and off manually doesn’t quite cut it? Because so far there’s that to disable AI and stay with good ol‘ Siri.
 

Ambrosia7177

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So the toggle to turn it on and off manually doesn’t quite cut it? Because so far there’s that to disable AI and stay with good ol‘ Siri.

This whole thread has gotten blown out of proportion - although some people have contributed interesting thoughts.

I said I was worried about Apple AI on my latest download of iOS 18.1

Apparently on my iPhone 15 Pro Max, if you go to "Apple Intelligence & Siri" and leave "Talk to Siri" = OFF, then that turns off Apple AI and - temporarily - eases my concerns, right?

I already did that 50 posts ago.

In the mean time I have been responding to people trolling - not sure why I respond.

And I guess this doesn't apply to my older iPhone 11 Pro Max.

If that is NOT how you turn off Apple AI, then if someone could clarify that would be helpful.
 
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TracerAnalog

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Never used.



Never used.



Never used.



Never used.



Is that the best you can come up with?

Maybe start reading at the top of the thread to see what has already been discussed and the reality of things.
Nah. Good for you. You don't trust Apple, but walk around with two iPhones? Sure...
 

Ambrosia7177

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Nah. Good for you. You don't trust Apple, but walk around with two iPhones? Sure...

Anyone ever tell mention that you assume a lot?

One iPhone doesn't have a SIM card in it.

The other iPhone comes with me IF I need a mobile hotspot, otherwise it is not on my person.

I am not tethered to my iPhone 24/7 like most Americas - I can drive a car, go to the bathroom, and function without a smartphone (i.e. I have a life).

And I have explained *repeatedly* that I use them mostly as cameras.

(Don't put me in the same category as everyone else.)

You seem to like to argue for no good reason...
 

TracerAnalog

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Anyone ever tell mention that you assume a lot?

One iPhone doesn't have a SIM card in it.

The other iPhone comes with me IF I need a mobile hotspot, otherwise it is not on my person.

I am not tethered to my iPhone 24/7 like most Americas - I can drive a car, go to the bathroom, and function without a smartphone (i.e. I have a life).

And I have explained *repeatedly* that I use them mostly as cameras.

(Don't put me in the same category as everyone else.)

You seem to like to argue for no good reason...
You assume I put you in some sort of category. I don't. I see a post of someone concerned about Apple spying on him via AI, who is using iPhones as camera's only (or something like that). IF Apple wanted to spy, all they need to do is look at your images that you shot, collect all your location data, listen to your mikes... and for what? To collect information that Meta and Google already have available in spades, because MOST people give this information away for free. Not you, I get it.

Doesn't matter. Apple is not spying and they go out of their way (to their commercial detriment) to make a privacy first on-device AI available to us. Yes, it all could be a huge conspiracy, but in that case you are buggered anyway... no need for AI. That's my point.

Just enjoy your iPhone. And stay skeptical of all tech firms (including Apple).
 

Ambrosia7177

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You assume I put you in some sort of category. I don't. I see a post of someone concerned about Apple spying on him via AI, who is using iPhones as camera's only (or something like that).

And you ALSO placed me into this large bucket of people who have their whole lives on their iPhones and can't function 60 seconds without social media...

My questions were legitimate - you just chose to be confrontational.


IF Apple wanted to spy, all they need to do is look at your images that you shot, collect all your location data, listen to your mikes... and for what? To collect information that Meta and Google already have available in spades, because MOST people give this information away for free. Not you, I get it.

It never hurts to ask questions and be concerned and skeptical.

And if Meta and Google are not above spying (and PROFITING) off of people's data, it's naive to be so sanctimonious and think Apple might not do the same.

Again, Tim Cooke doesn't equal Steve Jobs.

(Steve Jobs was an artist, an innovator, and I want to believe he wanted to help the world. Tim Cook is a buisness man whose priority is shareholders.)

I believe Apple is in a special class when it comes to privacy, but they are not infallible.

And I didn't know about Apple AI, so I asked....


Doesn't matter. Apple is not spying and they go out of their way (to their commercial detriment) to make a privacy first on-device AI available to us.

And I hope they keep that ethos always...


Yes, it all could be a huge conspiracy, but in that case you are buggered anyway... no need for AI. That's my point.

My point is that it never hurts to research things.

And you were putting me into some category of naive, over-sharing users of which I am not.

Give credit where credit is due...


Just enjoy your iPhone.

I gave up an old DSLR for my iPhone as a camera and videocamera.

Can't say enough good things about my iPhones as camera - Ii have shot about 30TB on them.

(Still not as good as a mirrorless, but the mobility is worth it.)

As far as "normal" smartphone use, it's not my thing.

But since every time I connect to the Internet or upgrade, I am breaking the "firewall" around my life, I remain vigilant.


And stay skeptical of all tech firms (including Apple).

I haven't trusted Big Tech since the late 1990s... I *know* what they do, and have to be hyper-vigilant if I want to still get some of the benefits of modern technology, while still not giving away my soul.
 

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And you ALSO placed me into this large bucket of people who have their whole lives on their iPhones and can't function 60 seconds without social media...

My questions were legitimate - you just chose to be confrontational.




It never hurts to ask questions and be concerned and skeptical.

And if Meta and Google are not above spying (and PROFITING) off of people's data, it's naive to be so sanctimonious and think Apple might not do the same.

Again, Tim Cooke doesn't equal Steve Jobs.

(Steve Jobs was an artist, an innovator, and I want to believe he wanted to help the world. Tim Cook is a buisness man whose priority is shareholders.)

I believe Apple is in a special class when it comes to privacy, but they are not infallible.

And I didn't know about Apple AI, so I asked....




And I hope they keep that ethos always...




My point is that it never hurts to research things.

And you were putting me into some category of naive, over-sharing users of which I am not.

Give credit where credit is due...




I gave up an old DSLR for my iPhone as a camera and videocamera.

Can't say enough good things about my iPhones as camera - Ii have shot about 30TB on them.

(Still not as good as a mirrorless, but the mobility is worth it.)

As far as "normal" smartphone use, it's not my thing.

But since every time I connect to the Internet or upgrade, I am breaking the "firewall" around my life, I remain vigilant.




I haven't trusted Big Tech since the late 1990s... I *know* what they do, and have to be hyper-vigilant if I want to still get some of the benefits of modern technology, while still not giving away my soul.
We all assume too much, and it is good to remain vigilant. I took you as one of the many trolls throwing shade at Apple, but I was wrong. Apple is just a big tech company, but they did make a bet that privacy is one of there commercial differentiators. If it ever would come out they sell your info... it would be game over (at least for me). That's why they put out the challenge that independent reviewers can audit them on it.

Once more: enjoy your iPhones :)
 
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Ambrosia7177

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We all assume too much, and it is good to remain vigilant. I took you as one of the many trolls throwing shade at Apple, but I was wrong.

Well, every device I have is from Apple - minus some ancient PC's in storage.

And I just dropped $6,000 on a new laptop, $1,500+ on a new iPhone, $1,500 on a new iPad, and more from Apple this summer, so I'd say that I'm pretty loyal to Apple.

At the same time, the quality of products isn't what it used to be. (Have had brand new devices fail or be DOA, and had things like logic boards die in a year.)

I also am not crazy about some of the decisions / directions Apple is taking - and am not alone.

But in the end, Apple is the best show in town, hands down.

And I use Apple mostly for it's "platform" (i.e. OS) more than its hardware. (I could stomach Windows in 2000, but I think it is horrendous in recent years - and I have to deal with it on my work laptop.)

In the end, I like Apple's products, ut also know that Tim Cook's (and the shareholders) interests are not always in my best interest.

And I am rightly so freaked out about privacy - including AI.

So I am cautious and skeptical of all things technology, even though I rely heavily on technology to work.



Apple is just a big tech company, but they did make a bet that privacy is one of there commercial differentiators.

It is a smart investment if they keep it up.

Of course, I have trusted my bank, my health insurance company, my medical providers, my insurance company, my employers, my telephone company, etc and they have all let me down.

If you can't trust the gov't, banks, health industry, tele company, etc to protect your data, how can you trust Apple?

We need major regulation in the U.S. - which even surpasses what the EU has - to protect people's data.

After Nov. 5, that ain't gonna happen anytime soon...

In the mean time, I remain skeptical and vigilant, but understand that I also gave Apple over $10,000 of my personal $$$ this summer, so I'd like to think I've earned the right to complain or at least scrutinize! ;-)


If it ever would come out they sell your info... it would be game over (at least for me). That's why they put out the challenge that independent reviewers can audit them on it.

Fair enough.


Once more: enjoy your iPhones :)

Oh, I get my mileage out of all of my Apple products!!

Won't say that I beat them, but my old laptop and my iPhone 11 Pro Max certainly show their use! (Both have been to like 48 states with me.)

Hopefully all of these investments will pay off in 2025 and start making me some money!

But for someone who hates smartphones - and smartphone culture - it was a real blessing when my DSLR dies 6 years ago and I got the idea that maybe I could use my never opened iPhone for photography.

That really open doors for me, and has been awesome for street journalism!
 
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