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NurJahan

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He's kidding!!
 

Bigmacduck

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Feb 15, 2009
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America gets toys from an American company first. That makes total sense.

Americans are cash stripped, economy in derail, politicians unable to solve budget deficit problems, US treasury will be downgraded from triple-A to B- in August, USA unable to win wars anywhere, Dollar heading steeply down to the direction of a worthless third world currency, the whole world is LOL about the USA.

So other countries with high purchasing power will get the new stuff first and Apple gets a lot of Dollars by skimming the foreign markets.
 

PittAir

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Mar 13, 2008
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Americans are cash stripped, economy in derail, politicians unable to solve budget deficit problems, US treasury will be downgraded from triple-A to B- in August, USA unable to win wars anywhere, Dollar heading steeply down to the direction of a worthless third world currency, the whole world is LOL about the USA.

So other countries with high purchasing power will get the new stuff first and Apple gets a lot of Dollars by skimming the foreign markets.

You've got to be kidding. Drink some more of that internationalist kool-aid, bro.

Maybe America should reduce its military spending 75% and let the Russians take Europe and the Chinese take the Far East. While they're at it, have Iran and the Islamic fundamentalists take everything in between. It would save us a lot of $$$$, and since nobody seems to appreciate it, who cares?

While we're at it, let's stop trade with the rest of the world. We Americans are the world's largest consumers, but since everyone hates us, we still ahve the energy and manufacturing infranstructure to go it alone if we have to. Yeah, it will be disruptive for a few years, but again, since everyone thinks we are a bunch of yahoo idiots the world will be a better place in the end of the day.

We've got two large oceans and 10,000 nuclear weapons protecting us from the rest of humanity. I guess it's time to let the rest of you fend for yourselves.

Thanks for the insight. Or should I being saying Dosvedanya or Niihao to you right now?
 

bp1000

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Jul 7, 2011
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This is quite amusing whilst we wait until next friday!

Especially the bit about 10,000 nuclear weapons. Imagine using them, you could launch them but imagine the atmosphere after, the world would end in a matter of days.

Anyway, Apple launch products in all markets at the same time, apart from occasional things like iphones as they are network specific. They align with U.S. time simply because HQ is there and it makes sense. After all the U.S. market is enormous regardless of the current economic situation.

Whilst what he said about america was a joke i dont think you do yourself any favours by flexing your "old glory" muscles.
 

P0stalTek

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Feb 25, 2011
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This is quite amusing whilst we wait until next friday!

Especially the bit about 10,000 nuclear weapons. Imagine using them, you could launch them but imagine the atmosphere after, the world would end in a matter of days.

Anyway, Apple launch products in all markets at the same time, apart from occasional things like iphones as they are network specific. They align with U.S. time simply because HQ is there and it makes sense. After all the U.S. market is enormous regardless of the current economic situation.

Whilst what he said about america was a joke i dont think you do yourself any favours by flexing your "old glory" muscles.

I didn't feel like he was flexing anything. I found his post both witty and insightful. The poster he was berrating did the EXACT same thing by taking his opinion to the extreme, taking a healthy defication on an entire nation, all while complaining about Apple.

I mean, both of their posts were a bit to the extreme side, and the truth likely lies somewhere in between, but I disagree with the assertion that he was flexing his "old glory" muscles, but instead giving back a little of what he got.

That said, bring on the new MBA! Will be my first Mac purchase after a 15 year stint owning/building PC's. ;)
 

Duke15

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May 18, 2011
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How did this turn into an economics debate? Who cares about the American debt, the important thing is, When are the new MBAs coming? lol jkn the debt is a serious issue
 

Maven1975

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Designed in Cupertino, California by Apple inc.

I am American and this is the whole problem in a nutshell.

Bring the jobs back home. I know the products will cost more to manufacture, but it would eventually level.

I laugh at these companys that bitch about taxes. If your jobs were stateside, you would reduce the level of tax liability by earnings/income paid out. Thus, higher manufacturing costs offest.
 

bp1000

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Jul 7, 2011
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I am American and this is the whole problem in a nutshell.

Bring the jobs back home. I know the products will cost more to manufacture, but it would eventually level.

I laugh at these companys that bitch about taxes. If your jobs were stateside, you would reduce the level of tax liability by earnings/income paid out. Thus, higher manufacturing costs offest.

I understand what you are saying but America has more skill than product line manufacturing. Your economy is geared for skilled workforces, bankers, economists, traders and pioneering business, in fact Apple is the perfect example.

Asia's economy is geared to employ cheap labour and use the population figures to build on mass. They are gobbling up natural resources globally to support the advances in technology by the west. The key is collaboration and hopefully China won't change tactics because they could easily become the new global superpower.

To face facts America, Britain, Germany etc all strive for excellence. Very few want to stand in line pressing buttons all day. We have been taught to achieve by our governments, stringently tested from age 4.

In stark contrast China is capitalising on the millions of unfortunate out of town workers that flock to factory jobs who used to work in the rice paddies or food processing factories. Now this isn't a generalisation it's just an observation of how China are gearing their economy. Lets not forget that China's current development is unthinkably large and China houses the worlds second largest number of billionaires. China will be big business, very soon.

Obama knows this and i know you have probably seen a lot of campaigning for manufacturing back home. Trade links need to be established and America just doesn't have the access and quantities of raw material that China has. In fact the U.S. would probably have to trade the metals that make up the PCB's and components to deliver Apple's demands and they would have to buy and import and that means an inflation in prices.

It's a sorry situation but it is something you have to accept and adapt to. It has been happening in the UK for 40 years. Our once industrious country has turned into a hub of skilled labour. It is important we recognise and respect China's effort because if we upset them we will know about it in 10 years time.
 

jlc1978

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Aug 14, 2009
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Woah! Woah!
The OS that Apple makes itself isn't going to cost anywhere near $50. Even we, the regular consumers are only going to pay $30. I don't think Apple would make itself pay for something they created.
These prices are really high that you just made up.
You do know that apple has to make a profit thats more than $50 on a $1000 item right?
I would say that the total after assembling them in China, shipping them to the US, etc. it would cost under $700.

He said worth, not cost. A key point of economics is something's value is what someone is willing to pay for it; which is what the OP was talking about. Cost has absolutely nothing to with value.

As for OS pricing, Apple has pretty good idea of the potential upgrade market size. So the challenge is to price at the point that gets them the maximum profit (while still meeting adoption goals hay may have for strategic reasons). Since the marginal cost of Lion is essentially $0 it makes sense to sell as much as possible since each sale is essentially pure profit.

Apple has decided $30 is the sweet spot of revenue and adoption - they probably meet all expected demand at that point so lowering the price adds minimal, if any, sales but costs them revenue; a higher price point leads to lower adoption and more profit per sale but lower total revenue. Could they have prices it higher? - probably - Apple's elasticity of demand is pretty high I would think - but Apple settled on $30 for whatever reason.
 

jlc1978

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I understand what you are saying but America has more skill than product line manufacturing. Your economy is geared for skilled workforces, bankers, economists, traders and pioneering business, in fact Apple is the perfect example.

Asia's economy is geared to employ cheap labour and use the population figures to build on mass.

While that is true for products where labor is a major cost component, it becomes more complex as labor costs become smaller relative to total costs and where skilled labor is critical to production. Those are areas where productivity becomes a key determinant of labor costs and high labor cost countries can be competitive - if they are productive enough.

China's challenge is there is always someone willing to provide cheap labor for less - look at Japan, Korea for examples. As China's cost rise (and they will) - other countries will start to exploit their cost advantages and Chin will have to move upscale or their economy will stagnate. As why move upscale, other countries become viable competitor at the higher end of the cost spectrum.

In stark contrast China is capitalising on the millions of unfortunate out of town workers that flock to factory jobs who used to work in the rice paddies or food processing factories. Now this isn't a generalisation it's just an observation of how China are gearing their economy. Lets not forget that China's current development is unthinkably large and China houses the worlds second largest number of billionaires. China will be big business, very soon.

While I agree with your assertion of China's economic potential their size will cause very significant political issues - some of which already are surfacing. China is becoming several different countries - with haves and have nots - they already have their own "immigrant" issues as people flock to manufacturing hubs in search of work. The growing areas will increasingly be less willing to share their good fortune - no matter what the political leadership says - and that will lead to serious internal problems. Overlay China's ethnic diversity and I can see China splitting into multiple countries - some rich, some poor - and the split may not be friendly.
 

firstapple

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He said worth, not cost. A key point of economics is something's value is what someone is willing to pay for it; which is what the OP was talking about. Cost has absolutely nothing to with value.

As for OS pricing, Apple has pretty good idea of the potential upgrade market size. So the challenge is to price at the point that gets them the maximum profit (while still meeting adoption goals hay may have for strategic reasons). Since the marginal cost of Lion is essentially $0 it makes sense to sell as much as possible since each sale is essentially pure profit.

Apple has decided $30 is the sweet spot of revenue and adoption - they probably meet all expected demand at that point so lowering the price adds minimal, if any, sales but costs them revenue; a higher price point leads to lower adoption and more profit per sale but lower total revenue. Could they have prices it higher? - probably - Apple's elasticity of demand is pretty high I would think - but Apple settled on $30 for whatever reason.

I like what you're saying here. Except the one thing I think you're missing from the equation is the Mac App Store. The need a easy/cheap way to get this in the hands of everyone. Snow leopard was one way to do it, and now with Lion it is even much more centralized on the App store, with the addition of launch pad.
 

jlc1978

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I like what you're saying here. Except the one thing I think you're missing from the equation is the Mac App Store.

True - it helps drive the marginal cost to zero - no packaging or reproduction costs.

BTW - like your photography - what filters did you use to get the color schema on the Disney entrance shot?
 

Apple Expert

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True - it helps drive the marginal cost to zero - no packaging or reproduction costs.

BTW - like your photography - what filters did you use to get the color schema on the Disney entrance shot?

I agree. What kind of camera do you use?
 

shurcooL

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mobilehaathi said:
So this thread derailed first into politics and now into photography?

Derailed? You say that as if it was ever on rails.

Some new poster made up a claim with no pictures or any proof, and soon it got so many replies that people forgot the thread was made based on nothing.
 

mobilehaathi

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Derailed? You say that as if it was ever on rails.

Some new poster made up a claim with no pictures or any proof, and soon it got so many replies that people forgot the thread was made based on nothing.

Excellent point, my friend. Excellent point.
 
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