Do People use iCloud for Mail

[Bananasaurus]

I have never and will never use "cloud" anything. People concerned about privacy should be aware that big tech providers (Yahoo, Gmail, Facebook in particular) share data amongst themselves. So anything you type in your Yahoo e-mail is shared with Google and Facebook. I wouldn't doubt Apple is among the sharers.

Apple isn't doing that.

 

[InvertedGoldfish]

Proton is shady.

Lol

Because it’s much more secure and is located in a country who doesn’t worship at the knees of the five eyes?

 

[Bananasaurus]

Lol

Because it’s much more secure and is located in a country who doesn’t worship at the knees of the five eyes?

Because they're liars?

ProtonMail Amends Its Policy After Giving Up an Activist’s Data

The email service says it was unable to appeal a Swiss court’s demand to log the IP address of a French climate advocate.

www.wired.com

They also have offices in the United States. Just because they're not part of the "five eyes" (it's 14 now and growing) countries doesn't mean they're not shady.

 

[Lioness~]

- Apple's mail, me.com, mac.com etc.
- icloud.com mail, I love the one you set up for certain places/purposes, which you can delete whenever
- Own domain mail adresses
- Gmail, just when I have to have a gmail for something

 

[DHagan4755]

I'm such a boomer my iCloud email address is @mac.com. I have emails in my iCloud that go back to 2003. Yikes!

 

[InvertedGoldfish]

Apple isn't doing that.

So secure much privacy

Surveillance firm says Apple is 'phenomenal' for law enforcement | AppleInsider

Secret recordings of a surveillance firm's presentation show how much iCloud data Apple surrenders to law enforcement with a warrant — though it's Google and Facebook that can track a suspect to within three feet.

appleinsider.com

 

[InvertedGoldfish]

Because they're liars?

ProtonMail Amends Its Policy After Giving Up an Activist’s Data

The email service says it was unable to appeal a Swiss court’s demand to log the IP address of a French climate advocate.

www.wired.com

They also have offices in the United States. Just because they're not part of the "five eyes" (it's 14 now and growing) countries doesn't mean they're not shady.

Way less shady than any company that is based in the US with a US stock ticker

Id sooner use proton with independent VPN service, also you should have random user agent switching on your browser

Also to note the email contents were not breached in that article, though I do agree there is no good reason they should be logging IPs or browser details

 

[Jamie0003]

I have used iCloud mail as my main account for 10+ years, and more recently a custom domain and private email addresses using iCloud +

I get so much spam though…. I’m not sure how to fix this, as I can’t just delete the iCloud alias, as there’s currently no way to shut down the original @icloud.com address linked to the account. I’d like to start again with a new iCloud.com alias, and use private addresses, but the other issue is the emails all go into one box.

 

[cateye]

I have never and will never use "cloud" anything.

Out of curiosity, how does email work on your home planet without using the cloud? Email is "the cloud."

Email, as a set of protocols, is not a secure system. How email is transmitted between you and your provider may (or may not) be secure depending on how they've set up their process, but between providers there is no guarantee, or even structure, of privacy. You should always assume that anyone can MITM your email at any point in the chain, regardless of the provider. You can encrypt the text of your email, of course, but then you need to exchange encryption keys with the person you're exchanging email with which not even most neckbeards are going to do.

 

[cateye]

Because they're liars?

Did you know that Apple allows individual tracking of unique visitors to News+, down to article preferences tied to their Apple identity, and this tracking is exposed to advertisers? And that Apple even allows and encourages Google AdWords hooks within Apple News stories?

No corporation is your friend, including Apple. Privacy and security are your responsibility, including determining actual risk to the data involved, rather than some invented boogeymen sold by a corporation as part of their mawkish marketing nonsense.

Apple has done a ton of good by bringing to the surface the idea of data integrity and privacy. They've also done a tremendous amount of evil by conflating actual security problems and data worth protecting with invented ones, all in service of their own ecosystem and business goals.

(EDIT: massaged my points a little bit, but nothing major)

 

[Bananasaurus]

So secure much privacy

Surveillance firm says Apple is 'phenomenal' for law enforcement | AppleInsider

Secret recordings of a surveillance firm's presentation show how much iCloud data Apple surrenders to law enforcement with a warrant — though it's Google and Facebook that can track a suspect to within three feet.

appleinsider.com

Cooperating with law enforcement, which every company does in whatever capacity they do it in, is not the same as Apple giving all their data to Google and Facebook, which is what I was responding to, and which is something they don't do.

Way less shady than any company that is based in the US with a US stock ticker

Id sooner use proton with independent VPN service, also you should have random user agent switching on your browser

Also to note the email contents were not breached in that article, though I do agree there is no good reason they should be logging IPs or browser details

No, that action of theirs should concern you a great deal.

Did you know that Apple allows individual tracking of unique visitors to News+, down to article preferences tied to their Apple identity, and this tracking is exposed to advertisers? And that Apple even allows and encourages Google AdWords hooks within Apple News stories?

No corporation is your friend, including Apple. Privacy and security are your responsibility, not something to be outsourced to a for-profit corporation just because you've bought into their mawkish marketing nonsense.

Yes, and Google also pays Apple billions of dollars to keep Google the default search engine in Safari. That doesn't mean that Apple is giving all email information to Google and Facebook, which is again what I was responding to and is again something they don't do.

 

[cateye]

Yes, and Google also pays Apple billions of dollars to keep Google the default search engine in Safari. That doesn't mean that Apple is giving all email information to Google and Facebook, which is again what I was responding to and is again something they don't do.

Point taken. It's just a high holy embarrassement how people buy into Apple's "all or nothing" marketing blitz about privacy when the reality is that privacy related to advertising is both widely overblown as an exposure vector, and not even protected to any great degree on Apple's own platforms.

If you think Google, Facebook, and the rest of the marketing/advertising industry are *materially* slowed down by Apple's antics, you're dreaming. Inconvenienced, sure. The problem is the advertising industry itself and its approach to wanting to target individuals in search of manufactured returns, something Apple itself is wholeheartedly engaged in with its own advertising push. There is no winning against a concept where idea is that end users need to be convinced of a need or a want through marketing versus end users identifying their own needs and wants and pursuing them accordingly. The idea of Apple, a company whose bottom-of-pyramid base is the most finely tuned marketing machine ever created, being a warrior against the worst excesses of advertising, is laugh-out-loud funny.

The greater damage here, on display in this thread, is people imagining that somehow iCloud is more "secure" than any other email provider, due to Apple's marketing pap, and that's patently false. Email is email. Assume it all can be compromised. Ask yourself instead how big of a target you and your emails actually are.

 

[thegerman]

My Gmail is my iCloud mail 😂😂

 

[Bananasaurus]

Point taken. It's just a high holy embarrassement how people buy into Apple's "all or nothing" marketing blitz about privacy when the reality is that privacy related to advertising is both widely overblown as an exposure vector, and not even protected to any great degree on Apple's own platforms.

I understand. I don't trust Apple at all, personally.

If you think Google, Facebook, and the rest of the marketing/advertising industry are *materially* slowed down by Apple's antics, you're dreaming. Inconvenienced, sure. The problem is the advertising industry itself and its approach to wanting to target individuals in search of manufactured returns, something Apple itself is wholeheartedly engaged in with its own advertising push. There is no winning against a concept where idea is that end users need to be convinced of a need or a want through marketing versus end users identifying their own needs and wants and pursuing them accordingly.

I don't think it's slowed down at all. We've seen that apps from Meta and Google are constantly violating privacy on iOS. If Apple is actually serious about privacy, at least in the scope of other companies mining data, among other things, they would need to do an overhaul of their privacy restrictions on iOS while also giving the end user granular abilities in deciding exactly what third-party apps can access. Like an emboldened firewall or something. Apple currently is very hands off and just assumes the end user is too stupid to do anything themselves.

The greater damage here, on display in this thread, is people imagining that somehow iCloud is more "secure" than any other email provider, due to Apple's marketing pap, and that's patently false. Email is email. Assume it's all compromised.

I agree. Email in itself is inherently not private by default. And Apple themselves have been caught redhanded doing nefarious things and only stopped when they were called out on it. Tim Cook's "privacy is a human right" mantra has proven to be marketing fluff in many cases.

The only way to be truly private is to stop using all technology and starting living in an Amish village.

 

[cateye]

The only way to be truly private is to stop using all technology and starting living in an Amish village.

Believe me, every time I'm out on a hike in the wilderness, the idea does occur to me. Cheers.

 

[mansplains]

Yes. It has the best spam fighting of any email I’ve ever used. My inbox is always squeaky clean.

I wish this were the case for me. I get 100+ spam daily in my iCloud. I really hate how you can’t change your @ iCloud email or disable it altogether.

You can create several @icloud.com emails for whatever you need as well as using a custom domain.

I have siloed nearly every account with its own Hide my Email address. While I love it, Apple really needs to improve the interface for creating and managing addresses, especially on Mac. It’s relegated to a window you cannot resize, and custom domains must be done in web. Custom domains have been helpful too.

Edit: cue the antitrust screeching, but between Hide my Email and Keychain, Apple could solve the wacky interfaces buried in settings with a native password manager app.

 

[heretiq]

I don't with the exception of the hide my email feature. The main reason is my iCloud email is permanently attached to my Apple account and I can't change it so I don't want it bombarded with spam.

If Apple gave us an easy way to make a non permanent second email address then I might use it. I don't mean like the disposible hide my email feature because that's just linked to one account and is a weird looking email. I mean if I could make something like russell at washingtonapple dotcom or even keep the icloud domain but a different email.

What I use is a mixture of Yahoo and Gmail email for non financial emails. Everything that's finance goes to fastmail. I feel that reduces the possibility of phishing emails, and keeps at least some of my important data private.

@russell_314 , unless I’m missing a key requirement of yours, I think you can do exactly what you describe with iCloud email aliases.

You are able to create up to 3 aliases — randomaccountname @ icloud . com. I use this all the time for alternate semi-permanent and transient email accounts and it works great.

 

[Bananasaurus]

I wish this were the case for me. I get 100+ spam daily in my iCloud. I really hate how you can’t change your @ iCloud email or disable it altogether.

That's unfortunate. Maybe it's because I hit the unsubscribe button like I'm shooting aliens in an arcade game. I rarely get spam now.

I have siloed nearly every account with its own Hide my Email address. While I love it, Apple really needs to improve the interface for creating and managing addresses, especially on Mac. It’s relegated to a window you cannot resize, and custom domains must be done in web. Custom domains have been helpful too.

I hate Hide My Email. It's okay for fighting spam, but it's absolutely useless in composing emails. You can't start an email with a Hide My address, you can only reply if someone messages you first. Also, 90% of the time, the emails it randomly generates are absolutely asinine. Things like wet_booger0z@icloud.com or something.

 

[EdwardC]

I use iCloud for my business, have for so many years I forgot (same employer for 31 years). I also use Outlook as a redundant. Both are equal in my opinion.

 

[mansplains]

I primarily use iCloud. I dropped my protonmail and migrated all of its content to iCloud. I only use gmail for accounts I can’t change email on, and school.

I’ve heard Apple uses Mail internally, but am surprised they don’t change some of my nitpicks:

• There’s a button for new tabs, but why doesn’t cmd+T open a new one? Why fonts?
• Speaking of fonts, I have a horrendous time with formatting emails. No paste without style, only remove style, which removes style from the whole email instead of my selection.
• Not so much a nitpick but an actual issue, I have emails disappear. I will open Mail on iPhone first thing in the morning, and watch two emails towards the top just erase themselves. They aren’t in spam, trash, archive, or anywhere. I cannot find any resolution and it’s incredibly frustrating since I don’t know what I’m missing. I keep meaning to get a recording of this behavior, does anyone else experience this?

 

[maflynn]

Proton is idealProton is shady.

You mean they were legally bound to supply the data, they're shady

 

[Expos of 1969]

I primarily use iCloud. I dropped my protonmail and migrated all of its content to iCloud. I only use gmail for accounts I can’t change email on, and school.

I’ve heard Apple uses Mail internally, but am surprised they don’t change some of my nitpicks:

• There’s a button for new tabs, but why doesn’t cmd+T open a new one? Why fonts?
• Speaking of fonts, I have a horrendous time with formatting emails. No paste without style, only remove style, which removes style from the whole email instead of my selection.
• Not so much a nitpick but an actual issue, I have emails disappear. I will open Mail on iPhone first thing in the morning, and watch two emails towards the top just erase themselves. They aren’t in spam, trash, archive, or anywhere. I cannot find any resolution and it’s incredibly frustrating since I don’t know what I’m missing. I keep meaning to get a recording of this behavior, does anyone else experience this?

Why did you stop using Proton to move to iCloud? The problems you are experiencing have never happened to me om Proton, free or paid MailPlus. I use Gmail, paid Proton with custom domain and iCloud and I find iCloud to be the worst. Just my experience of course.

 

[maflynn]

Apple isn't doing that.

They do scan your emails though

How Apple ‘Intercepts’ And Reads Emails When It Finds Child Abuse
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[maflynn]

I dropped my protonmail and migrated all of its content to iCloud.

Why? I'm going the opposite direction (iCloud to Proton) and I'm curious to know what caused you to drop Proton

 

[VertPin]

I use iCloud Mail yes.
My whole ecosystem is Apple...iPhone/iPad/Mac, so emails show up on all devices.
Also I only have Apple emails, no gmail etc.

I used to only use apple email /iCloud, but gmail is just a far better product.

edit: Curious as why people would disagree about gmail being a better product? The functionality and feature-set that is included is more beneficial than what iCloud email offers.