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Does anybody think iOS 9 will help negate the need for more RAM?
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Speaking of desktop class architecture:
If by desktop class Apple is referring to RAM starved computers, then yeah, it's desktop class all right. Oh wait, why are you people trying to multitask using a desktop class architecture?
If by desktop class Apple is referring to RAM starved computers, then yeah, it's desktop class all right. Oh wait, why are you people trying to multitask using a desktop class architecture?
He's right. You just don't get it.
A desktop is not a smartphone.
Don't compare saying your 6 is faster than your iMac when they run completely different architectures.
And I can cause a cigarette to burn down an entire house, but that is an abnormal use case
Have you ever noticed that it's the unhappy people who continually post alleged situations that some of us have never seen despite using the platform for years?
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Thank you very much!
And I can cause a cigarette to burn down an entire house, but that is an abnormal use case
So opening 3 tabs and expecting to be able to switch between them an abnormal use case? I've done it with 2: cnn.com and private webpage to gmail. But that sure is an abnormal use case right?
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I guess we better remove that "desktop-class" adjective.
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I bet during the next iPhone intro Tim Cook will say "we could have increased the RAM years ago, but we wanted to wait until the battery life would not be impacted".
How many tabs are allowed at one time in Safari on iOS 8.3? I currently have 17 tabs open in Safari on my iPhone 6 and none of them have reloaded.
I'm guessing I use my phone differently than most others in this thread.
I'm guessing I use my phone differently than most others in this thread.
Seriously?
Use iPhone 4S on 7.1.2 and compare that to 8.3
That's your evidence right there. iOS 8 has no visual improvements to warrant such a drop in performance and UI stutter.
Ever consider background tasks? There are a lot more things going on with computers and smartphones than what you see on the screen. It's very shortsighted to think that visual improvements are the only things that could use system resources.
You can open one of those 17 tabs, spend 5 minutes in there, then exit Safari to send an SMS or open an app, then go back to any one of those 17 tabs and none will reload? Heck, can you flick between any of those 17 tabs, spend a couple of minutes in each before moving to the next and none of them will reload? You must have got a 3GB RAM module by accident.#
Background tasks have nothing to do with UI stutter. Take the example of weather app. The same app with same UI stutters like crazy on iOS 8.
Actually I'm spending time in each tab and switch to another. However, I do think this is the first time in my years on iOS that I've had more than 5 or 6 tabs open at one time. You do realize that you can re-use tabs, right? *ducks*
I cannot imagine anyone needing 10 or more tabs open at once, perhaps that's why there is a reading list and bookmark capability.
Edit: ok, I just had one of the 17 tabs reload. Seventeen tabs! What's the big deal? iOS didn't crash, Safari is still open, and the web page didn't lose any data. So, I have to sit for a second and wait for the page to reload? Yeah, that's not fatal.
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Seriously, I cannot have one browser tab open with an intensive website on it and one intensive app without both reloading when I switch between them. By that I mean a store website with a search loaded up, and an app such as Ebay or Amazon with a search loaded up. I cannot switch between one app and one browser tab if I have spent some minutes in each.
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If you're halfway down a website it will reload and take you back to the top. That's the best scenario. Worse scenarios are you have been completing a webform, leave to check something and then come back to find the page reload and all your typing disappear. Or even worse, you're on page 17 of a search within a store website and you leave to check a price or review on the Amazon app. When you come back to the browser the tab reloads and throws you back to the store homepage. So yes, reloads can be a PITA but for casual one page browsing habits they're just a minor annoyance.
Although I've never experienced this, I can agree that it would be annoying. I wonder if this is one of the reasons that websites are moving to a more mobile-friendly layout.
Those who are saying that we expect too much from a mere phone, or that smartphones aren't designed to be used like a computer, how come you can do all this stuff on any half-decent Android phone? How come I can do it all on my mid-range Android tablet?
....and the clincher, how come I could do it on my iPhone 5?
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I don't understand why they're doing it to be honest. Smartphones are more capable and have bigger screens now, so the websites start becoming more WAP-like? It doesn't make sense. Most are just as data-hungry but they are presented in an easier to read format designed for a smaller screen. I tend to dislike mobile sites and MacRumors is one of the few that I don't switch to the desktop view (unless I'm voting in a poll or viewing poll results).
....and the clincher, how come I could do it on my iPhone 5?
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I don't understand why they're doing it to be honest. Smartphones are more capable and have bigger screens now, so the websites start becoming more WAP-like? It doesn't make sense. Most are just as data-hungry but they are presented in an easier to read format designed for a smaller screen. I tend to dislike mobile sites and MacRumors is one of the few that I don't switch to the desktop view (unless I'm voting in a poll or viewing poll results).
I was just thinking about the whole "it's not really designed for that" and "it's not the way I use it" type of argument that surfaces in many places. I wonder how much it comes up through history and how well it stands up (and by that I mean to say that it really doesn't).
I bet when computers mainly used command line input and output and some were starting to use some graphical interfaces on them and finding the performance rather lacking in the early days there were also a bunch of people probably saying that computers weren't designed for that and that they don't use them that way and that anything could be done via command line and why would you need a graphical interface.
Or when people started gaming more and more and more graphically intensive games were being designed and computers weren't keeping up and not performing well there were a bunch of people probably saying that gaming isn't what should be done on computers anyway as they are serious things used for business and "important stuff" and there's no need to expect more from them or use them differently.
We certainly see how well those kinds of arguments stand up throughout history.
I bet when computers mainly used command line input and output and some were starting to use some graphical interfaces on them and finding the performance rather lacking in the early days there were also a bunch of people probably saying that computers weren't designed for that and that they don't use them that way and that anything could be done via command line and why would you need a graphical interface.
Or when people started gaming more and more and more graphically intensive games were being designed and computers weren't keeping up and not performing well there were a bunch of people probably saying that gaming isn't what should be done on computers anyway as they are serious things used for business and "important stuff" and there's no need to expect more from them or use them differently.
We certainly see how well those kinds of arguments stand up throughout history.
After enduring iOS 4 on a iPhone 3G, I wouldn't put it past Apple declining to optimize the OS for an older SoC. They did it before and I won't doubt it will happen again.
That's just marketing lingo to say it's faster than the previous generation. It's not x86_64, it's ARM.
That's why you don't compare them.
But you can still easily expect it to be able to do many many more things than just basic phone functions, even if they aren't on the level of a desktop computer. On a spectrum of a basic simple phone and a desktop computer its safe to say that today's smartphones lie (and are expected to lie) between the midpoint and the desktop computer endpoint, making their way closer to it with each iteration.
I've seen the phone drop to 8mb of free ram when opening the clock app... That's just insane. We definitely need a ram upgrade to 2 gigs because the OS continues to grow and add processes running that take up more and more resources.
If anyone says it's not necessary then open safari, go to ios.tumblr.com and keep on scrolling. Eventually you run out of ram and...wait for it... reloaded tabs.
If anyone says it's not necessary then open safari, go to ios.tumblr.com and keep on scrolling. Eventually you run out of ram and...wait for it... reloaded tabs.
That drop doesn't mean anything. iOS and OS X are not like Windows, they are meant to take up nearly all of the free available memory.
RAM is meant to be used. If you had 2 GB, iOS would still take up a lot of it even when idle - this is not a fault, it is by design.
Also, tumblr consumes a lot of resources. Never access power hungry websites using a mobile browser - always use the app. It has faster browsing and way better caching support. Why people still use Safari on iOS to browse social networks still astounds me to this day.