Done it! - Nehalem W5590 Octad 3,33 GHz

[gugucom]

Well, as it turns out..... I wasn't waiting long enough for the machine to chime..... so it boots fine and shows 3.19ghz. However, I think the processor/memory riser card is defective as no matter whether it's the new procs or the originals, it shows some red lights showing bad memory DIMMs so I think I gotta take it to the apple store. Hopefully since it was a refurb, they won't bitch about my little plastic connectors being broken off...... wish me luck.

You should be aware that the sockets provide direct access to the memory slots. So besides the chance of faulty RAM some pins in your sockets could be damaged. Apple may take this a bit ungracious.



Here you see a block diagram how memory is directly connected to the CPU sockets. So if a few socket pins get disabled you can end up with malfunctioning RAM.

This how bad pins look. Some times they are recoverable with a needle and a magnifying glas. There are 1366 of the little buggers per CPU and no clamp to protect them. Fat chance to bend 'em.

These are from Anand's article. They seem to be unrepairable. Sometimes they just get out of shape and you can prod them back.

 

[gugucom]

Thanks to a sponsor I have Geekbench2-64 now. I was getting 18320 high score with 12 GB 1066 MHz RAM and the GT120. When I tried fitting a flashed 4870 to get better graphics scores my 10.6.2 install would not boot any more.

I have booted SL DVD and repaired the partition and the permissions. There was a lot of repair indicated. On reboot OS X freezes and tells me Finder was terminated unexpectedly. I cannot get this to unfreeze.

So currently I'm out of OS X and my MP4,1 runs only Win7. Geekbench scores are lower there, slightly above 16,000 if I remember right. I need to find out what is screwing up the OS X. It could be the 4870 or the 10.6.2 update I did yesterday, or both.

More later

 

[huscat]

Simple faulty riser card

I got the replacement computer from Apple, put the procs in and it worked easily. My only problem now is for some reason the drive out of my Hackintosh running Chameleon won't boot my Mac Pro. It keeps kernel panicking. So I'm just a bit at a loss to figure out how to get my user data over to the new machine.

I tried to install fresh over the top of it it and it didn't fix it. I tried to use the Migration Utility to move my stuff to a new drive, and it does the same kernel panic after it's done so it must be moving whatever is wrong.

Anyone have an idea about how to get all my data over to a new drive without it crashing?

 

[frimple]

I got the replacement computer from Apple, put the procs in and it worked easily. My only problem now is for some reason the drive out of my Hackintosh running Chameleon won't boot my Mac Pro. It keeps kernel panicking. So I'm just a bit at a loss to figure out how to get my user data over to the new machine.

I tried to install fresh over the top of it it and it didn't fix it. I tried to use the Migration Utility to move my stuff to a new drive, and it does the same kernel panic after it's done so it must be moving whatever is wrong.

Anyone have an idea about how to get all my data over to a new drive without it crashing?

No, also this sounds like a great topic for a new thread.

 

[nanofrog]

I got the replacement computer from Apple, put the procs in and it worked easily. My only problem now is for some reason the drive out of my Hackintosh running Chameleon won't boot my Mac Pro. It keeps kernel panicking. So I'm just a bit at a loss to figure out how to get my user data over to the new machine.

I tried to install fresh over the top of it it and it didn't fix it. I tried to use the Migration Utility to move my stuff to a new drive, and it does the same kernel panic after it's done so it must be moving whatever is wrong.

Anyone have an idea about how to get all my data over to a new drive without it crashing?

I wouldn't think a hack drive would boot in a Mac, as the patching (Chameleon) is designed to make OS X think a PC is a Mac. It's likely interfering with the boot process on the MP. If you boot off of a separate OS X disk, you might be able to mount the hack drive, and transfer files.

Otherwise, you'd have to put it back in the hack, connect the systems, and transfer it that way (network cable, FW,...).

 

[huscat]

Migration Assistant

didn't work either as it must have brought over the same "hack" as it kernel panics as well.

 

[nanofrog]

didn't work either as it must have brought over the same "hack" as it kernel panics as well.

You can't copy everything. Just the pertinent data (i.e. iTunes, email, specific application data,....), that's not part of the OS. The settings should be transferable though.

 

[huscat]

You can't copy everything. Just the pertinent data (i.e. iTunes, email, specific application data,....), that's not part of the OS. The settings should be transferable though.

There are four options in Migration Assistant, which of them DON'T we transfer over?

 

[nanofrog]

There are four options in Migration Assistant, which of them DON'T we transfer over?

I was thinking of manual file transfer, rather than the assistant, as I'm not sure of all of the files that would be copied. (I only recall 3 possibilities with Migration Assistant, and none of them allowing for the level of selective control you need).

Worst case, you may have to transfer settings by hand (write them down, and manually enter them in the new system).

Given your situation, this isn't really a bad thing, as it will prevent any of the hack patching to be transferred to the new MP.

Sorry if it's not going to be super simple, but it will work, and get things like your iTunes data transferred. Things like applications, just install them to the new system, and transfer the associated data (saved work).

 

[huscat]

geekbench 64 score not good....

24GB RAM, two SSDs striped as my boot drive, clean install of 10.6.2 only getting score of 17921. I have two W5580's installed. What gives here? My score is slower than people with a 2.9 8 core.

 

[Transporteur]

Do SSDs and the amount of RAM really affect the score?

From what I understood, Geekbench just marks the raw processor speed plus the memory bandwidth, the actual amount of memory should not affect the score, either does the speed of the boot disk.

 

[gugucom]

I do get 18,440 now with W5590s and SL k64. It seems that Tutor had another trick up his sleeve or RAM does have an effect.

 

[Tutor]

clean-up

Clean up

 

[nanofrog]

Processors differ in performance even though they carry the same nominal speed designation. I have built 4 systems with overclocked 2.66 Ghz rated i7's and not one of them has the same capability as another one. One is stable at 3.9 Ghz, another at 4.1 Ghz, another at 4.2 Ghz and the fourth at 4.4 Ghz. Moreover, their Cinebench 10 scores do not evenly correspond to their relative speeds - go figure. I've been experimenting with using water cooling in my 8 core Mac Pro system. That may have allowed my system to achieve the most recent higher geekbench score (18791) that I've posted. Before anyone asks, I'm using modified Masscool 7WA002L Water Coolers ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150097 ) for all of my systems. My sleeves are almost bare.

I'd like to see that. Pics please.

 

[Tutor]

Clean up

 

[Tutor]

clean-up

Clean up

 

[huscat]

Now for sale Mac Pro 8 core 3.33

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130372159327

I have done a few of these for people so now I'm going to go ahead and build them up since I'm getting so many requests.

Chris
Dealstar
913-317-8511

 

[nanofrog]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130372159327

I have done a few of these for people so now I'm going to go ahead and build them up since I'm getting so many requests.

Chris
Dealstar
913-317-8511

You should include all the OEM parts with the system (CPU's,...), as they'd be needed in the event of an Apple Care claim. Those new processors would disappear, and they expect a set to be installed (in this case E5520's).

 

[huscat]

You should include all the OEM parts with the system (CPU's,...), as they'd be needed in the event of an Apple Care claim. Those new processors would disappear, and they expect a set to be installed (in this case E5520's).

What do you mean those new processors would disappear? I suppose I could include them, but I had the sale of them built into my price at $5999. I thought I would keep a set and handle the AppleCare claims for the clients, and that way I'd only have to keep one set rather than a 1:1 ratio for each one I upgrade. I can't imagine having a claim honestly since my own machine has yet to crash once in over 5 months since doing the upgrade. In effect, I'm facilitating the Apple warranty for the client.

 

[Eithanius]

What do you mean those new processors would disappear? I suppose I could include them, but I had the sale of them built into my price at $5999. I thought I would keep a set and handle the AppleCare claims for the clients, and that way I'd only have to keep one set rather than a 1:1 ratio for each one I upgrade. I can't imagine having a claim honestly since my own machine has yet to crash once in over 5 months since doing the upgrade. In effect, I'm facilitating the Apple warranty for the client.

To my knowledge, Apple has a database of Mac Pro system serial numbers matching relevant processor tray serial numbers. If you keep that particular set to mix and match multiple systems, I believe Apple may find out the discrepancies and reject any warranty claims.

 

[nanofrog]

What do you mean those new processors would disappear?

Someone buys one, and the faster chips are installed. But the system breaks during Apple Care, and they're told to bring/send it in to Apple (i.e. you're not involved). They end up replacing the machine. The new one will have the E5520's in it, as Apple DOES NOT transfer any user add-ons that weren't part of the original system (base or CTO).

Things like additional RAM, HDD's, PCIe cards would be lost, and this will definitely be the case with different CPU'S (you can't even tell by looking in the system, and it may not even work, which they'd never check for). Even Apple states that users have to pull their upgrades for this reason.

I suppose I could include them, but I had the sale of them built into my price at $5999. I thought I would keep a set and handle the AppleCare claims for the clients, and that way I'd only have to keep one set rather than a 1:1 ratio for each one I upgrade. I can't imagine having a claim honestly since my own machine has yet to crash once in over 5 months since doing the upgrade. In effect, I'm facilitating the Apple warranty for the client.

If you and your customers are willing to do that, then it's a way around it. It would add time though, as you'd have to get the system physically, and go from there.

Then there's the shipping involved, as I don't know how you planned to handle that one (I presume the customer would balk at having to pay to ship it to you one way, let alone both ).

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Processors differ in performance even though they carry the same nominal speed designation. I have built 4 systems with overclocked 2.66 Ghz rated i7's and not one of them has the same capability as another one. One is stable at 3.9 Ghz, another at 4.1 Ghz, another at 4.2 Ghz and the fourth at 4.4 Ghz. Moreover, their Cinebench 10 scores do not evenly correspond to their relative speeds - go figure. I've been experimenting with using water cooling in my 8 core Mac Pro system. That may have allowed my system to achieve the most recent higher geekbench score (18791) that I've posted. Before anyone asks, I'm using modified Masscool 7WA002L Water Coolers ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150097 ) for all of my systems. My sleeves are almost bare - latest does not always mean greatest.

You are over clocking a Mac Pro? How are you doing this?

 

[rickvanr]

You are over clocking a Mac Pro? How are you doing this?

Read what you just quoted.







Do you still need to ask that question?
He's over clocked i7's, not MPs. As for the MP, he said he may have gotten a higher score, because his system is running cooler.

 

[jetjaguar]

man i wish i could do this to my mac pro

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Read what you just quoted.







Do you still need to ask that question?
He's over clocked i7's, not MPs. As for the MP, he said he may have gotten a higher score, because his system is running cooler.

Was it necessary for you to reply to my question with another question asking me whether I still needed to ask the question? That's so very useful, isn't it? When I read that a liquid cooling system was installed in a Mac Pro, I thought it was because it was being over-clocked. Thank you so very much for answering my question, you have been most helpful.