El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.

[crapix]

I just checked the App Store to see how El Capitan was doing:

5 star ratings: 69
1 star ratings: 115

That's even worse than Yosemite.

My personal experiences are bottlenecks and excessive resource consumption to the point that the system almost locks up. It would be nice if I was doing anything significant, but basic web browsing and checking e-mail doesn't cut it. The culprit for me appears to UserEventAgent.

I found the following quote interesting:

"Software developers and users have argued that Apple's yearly release schedule and development practices have compromised stability, and meant that no version of OS X is truly recommendable for users requiring reliability above new user interface design and features."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Yosemite

El Capitan functions like a beta release.

I definitely aggree with you. Ever since the birth of El Capitan, it's all about bugs. I don't know if I'm making the most of my MacBook Pro 13' with retina display, but I'm constantly lurching from bugs to bugs. I updated to 10.11.2 a few days ago, thought it would be better. Suddenly I find even Quicktime can quit unexpectedly just playing ordinary h264/aac mp4 video files. What can I say? I tried other video players without problems. There are many other bugs with other built in apps, like Photos...... I don't even want to waste time talking about it. I think I should keep updating to the last version of El Capitan and hope it will be stable and never update to 10.12 if it should come.

 

[Eithanius]

Can you hear me, Tim? I tell you: "Arrogance and greed leads sooner or later to failure".

tcook@apple.com

 

[F1Mac]

tcook@apple.com

I do miss Steve Jobs' quirky emails

 

[MrAverigeUser]

I do miss Steve Jobs' quirky emails

Well…

Steve Jobs shurely would have tried to convince everybody that El Crap its a perfectly working OS - but YOU ARE JUST HOLDING IT WRONG!!!


It is always the mistake or responsibility of the customers… like Antennagate, Radeongate, 3 years of ignoring GPU-problems in MBP 2007/2008, ignoring massive GPU-Problems in MBP 2010/2011 for 3 Years as well, screen-issues with iMacs…. and so on, and so on….

 

[George Dawes]

The rev a Mac Pro had plenty of issues too.....

 

[Jayson A]

The rev a Mac Pro had plenty of issues too.....

Do you mean the 2006 Mac Pro 1,1? I have that Mac and I have no issues with it at all (besides not being able to natively run the latest Mac OS X versions).

 

[talmy]

As I found out (and what irritates me I can't remember how) disabling SIP leaves your Cap-system open to permissions problems, however you can't repair them with Dumb Utility. Is there something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg that will repair permissions on Capster?

Repairing permissions rarely did anything useful, at least in my experience. The commands are still there, just not in the gui. From Terminal, to verify:
sudo /usr/libexec/repair_packages --verify --standard-pkgs /
to repair:
sudo /usr/libexec/repair_packages --repair --standard-pkgs --volume /

 

[George Dawes]

They put the Bluetooth and airport connectors the wrong way round at the factory .

There was an awful lot of hullabaloo at the time I recall.

 

[navaira]

Repairing permissions rarely did anything useful, at least in my experience. The commands are still there, just not in the gui. From Terminal, to verify:
sudo /usr/libexec/repair_packages --verify --standard-pkgs /
to repair:
sudo /usr/libexec/repair_packages --repair --standard-pkgs --volume /

Written down! Might be useful at some point. Thank you!

 

[navaira]

I had to install updates on Windows 8. There are two almost identical options. One kinda condescending – "we see there are important updates and we'll install them for you... soon". I WANT IT NOW. I have time now. I don't have time for your usual "do not shut down computer, installing update 14235907 out of 132409812093810" Microsoft. What do I see? There is an option right below which looks and sounds almost identical but isn't, which allows to install updates now. So I click it, and it's stuck at 0%.

At this point I'd rather give up using computers and become a hermit living in a cave than give up Mac OS, and unfortunately Apple know that.

 

[Queen6]

Outlook 2016 on OSX is pretty much identical to the Windows version.
I use both.

Is your Mac on 10.11? My biggest problem on 10.11 is Apple`s Mail, how is Outlook 2016 fairing, any issues?

Q-6

 

[George Dawes]

I ended up using thunderbird. It's awful and a pain to use. But at least it works. Sorta...

 

[Wando64]

Is your Mac on 10.11? My biggest problem on 10.11 is Apple`s Mail, how is Outlook 2016 fairing, any issues?

Q-6

I am on 10.11.1
I use outlook on my Windows work laptop so I am quite used to it.
The 2016 mac version is much the same as the one for Windows and I've had no problems with it until now apart from the inability to use Gmail calendars (it is OK with the mail itself though).
I have accounts with Exchange, Yahoo and Gmail and all work well.
I've had to log onto my Yahoo mail using the web-page once, but that is a know problem with Yahoo that every few months it wants you to log in directly.

In summary, all fine unless you rely on Gmail calendars.
To see the gmail calendar I still have to use the Calendar app, which is disappointing.

 

[Queen6]

I ended up using thunderbird. It's awful and a pain to use. But at least it works. Sorta...

Nah, not for me. I will be fine with Outlook 2016 as long as it matches the Windows version, Outlook on Office 2011 was not up to much, so don't want to go in that direction.

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

I am on 10.11.1
I use outlook on my Windows work laptop so I am quite used to it.
The 2016 mac version is much the same as the one for Windows and I've had no problems with it until now apart from the inability to use Gmail calendars (it is OK with the mail itself though).
I have accounts with Exchange, Yahoo and Gmail and all work well.
I've had to log onto my Yahoo mail using the web-page once, but that is a know problem with Yahoo that every few months it wants you to log in directly.

In summary, all fine unless you rely on Gmail calendars.
To see the gmail calendar I still have to use the Calendar app, which is disappointing.

Thx appreciate; Sounds good. Can you tie in Apple`s calendar events to Outlook`s? I have Exchange, MS Outlook, Gmail (calendars on the same are no issue for me) & Apple

Q-6

 

[Wando64]

Thx appreciate; Sounds good. Can you tie in Apple`s calendar events to Outlook`s? I have Exchange, MS Outlook, Gmail (calendars on the same are no issue for me) & Apple

Q-6

I am not sure I understand your question.
Are you asking if you can see an iCloud calendar from Outlook?
Probably not, but I haven't spent much time investigating.

The only calendars I use are on Exchange (for work) and on Gmail (for my band).
I am hopeful that Gmail will make it to Outlook at some point.

By the way, take a look at the instructions for adding a Gmail account to Outlook from this MS website. You might not be happy with the way it is handled, but it is not a problem for me.
https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...-for-Mac-60a03300-9f45-49a8-ade8-a23285ace6e2

 

[Queen6]

I am not sure I understand your question.
Are you asking if you can see an iCloud calendar from Outlook?
Probably not, but I haven't spent much time investigating.

The only calendars I use are on Exchange (for work) and on Gmail (for my band).
I am hopeful that Gmail will make it to Outlook at some point.

By the way, take a look at the instructions for adding a Gmail account to Outlook from this MS website. You might not be happy with the way it is handled, but it is not a problem for me.
https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...-for-Mac-60a03300-9f45-49a8-ade8-a23285ace6e2

Thx, Yes, equally I doubt that Apple would make it an easy option. Likely I would just migrate the events to Outlook`s own, as I like to keep things a simple as reasonably possible.

Q-6

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

They're were many...I didn't really investigat. Yes TechToolPro did the repair while sip was enabled. To my knowledge it worked as expected. After a reboot, I checked permissions again and found no discrepancies.

What kind of permission problems are you talking about? Is this one of those quasi-religious things where you just keep checking permissions over and over and over again or did something actually stop working for you? I'd like to know because as near as I can tell, "repairing permissions" has been this semi-religious "we just do it because that's what you're supposed to do according to so-and-so source" OCD-type thing that from every reputable source I've seen in REALITY does NOTHING.

Now a REAL problem in El Capitan is 10.11.2 turning SIP back on without asking. Oh wait. It didn't actually turn it back on (csrutil status reports it's OFF) yet XtraFinder tells me it's ON every time I reboot the computer and yet XtraFinder works (when it does not when SIP is ACTUALLY ON. In other words, sometimes 3rd party programs are worse than Apple programs).

I ended up using thunderbird. It's awful and a pain to use. But at least it works. Sorta...

What's so "awful" about it? Once set up, I find using it 99% the same as Apple's Mail (except that it keeps on working version to version and OS X version to version whereas Apple's Mail program is and has always been an utter POS. I've had a LOT of problems with Apple's Mail program, particularly getting it to check the mail when asked to (instead of when it feels like it once in a blue moon).

 

[navaira]

Now a REAL problem in El Capitan is 10.11.2 turning SIP back on without asking. Oh wait. It didn't actually turn it back on (csrutil status reports it's OFF) yet XtraFinder tells me it's ON every time I reboot the computer and yet XtraFinder works (when it does not when SIP is ACTUALLY ON. In other words, sometimes 3rd party programs are worse than Apple programs).

This is SUPER IRRITATING. But I found out that for XtraFinder to shut up you have to do:

csrutil enable --without debug

instead of

csrutil disable

...and then it stops. This works on all of my Macs except the Hackintosh in which I have no idea how to introduce this particular setting.

What I do dislike is that SIP does indeed switch back on after every system update.

 

[redheeler]

What I do dislike is that SIP does indeed switch back on after every system update.

It's still disabled for me since the 10.11.2 update. I do get the annoying message from XtraFinder on login though, hopefully it will be fixed in a future XtraFinder update.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

This is SUPER IRRITATING. But I found out that for XtraFinder to shut up you have to do:

csrutil enable --without debug

instead of

csrutil disable

...and then it stops. This works on all of my Macs except the Hackintosh in which I have no idea how to introduce this particular setting.

The strange thing is that it never gave this error until the 10.11.2 update here (or perhaps it was the latest update to XtraFinder; it's hard to be sure since major updates are normally the only time I reboot.) Whatever the case, the previous versions of both worked without it whining.

What I do dislike is that SIP does indeed switch back on after every system update.

Actually, I just THOUGHT it turned itself back on because of that warning. A quick check with crsutil -status confirms it's still OFF after the 10.11.2 update. In other words, it did not switch back on after the update here. Everything was fine (except XtraFinder itself which gives the warning on a reboot but then works correctly immediately afterward).

 

[navaira]

It's XtraFinder's fault, that message. And actually I think you might be able about SIP not re-enabling itself, since I can't check it, it might have been XF confusing me.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

It's XtraFinder's fault, that message. And actually I think you might be able about SIP not re-enabling itself, since I can't check it, it might have been XF confusing me.

You can run csrutil in El Capitan proper to check it (csrutil -status) and it will tell you whether it's on or not. The only thing you can't do is change the setting unless you are in recovery mode.

 

[crjackson2134]

You can run csrutil in El Capitan proper to check it (csrutil -status) and it will tell you whether it's on or not. The only thing you can't do is change the setting unless you are in recovery mode.

Just for the purpose of clarifying the command, the hyphen doesn't belong. The correct command is csrutil status

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Just for the purpose of clarifying the command, the hyphen doesn't belong. The correct command is csrutil status

You're correct. I was going by memory and so many use hyphens. (e.g. ls -la, etc.). It is indeed just 'csrutil status'