El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.

[Queen6]

This is actually an incorrect expansion of the acronym 'IFC':
Incredible 'Freaking' Catastrophe.

Apple is currently incapable of getting OS X 10.11 to run on their own hardware, let alone a vehicle. Personally I am interested in Tesla, equally I don`t drive unless it`as a requirement of business, nor do I see my wife trading in the SUV for an Apple iCar anytime soon...

Q-6

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

El Capitan made me want to sell my Mac Pro and I built this.

Skylake 6700K overclocked to 4.5Ghz
Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 motherboard with SATA Express, USB 3.1 A and C, Thunderbolt 3, dual M.2 slots.

The machine runs circles around my Mac even though it has four cores verses twelve and I didn't have to do all sorts of hackish things to get all the hardware working. Maybe I'll put a Hackintosh on there but at the moment I'm happy with Windows 10. El Cap left me thinking Apple has forgotten the desktop.

 

[Queen6]

El Capitan made me want to sell my Mac Pro and I built this.

Skylake 6700K overclocked to 4.5Ghz
Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 motherboard with SATA Express, USB 3.1 A and C, Thunderbolt 3, dual M.2 slots.

The machine runs circles around my Mac even though it has four cores verses twelve and I didn't have to do all sorts of hackish things to get all the hardware working. Maybe I'll put a Hackintosh on there but at the moment I'm happy with Windows 10. El Cap left me thinking Apple has forgotten the desktop.

Apple has forgotten the serious user, with OS X heading down the same path as IOS, dumbed down & locked in. Windows 10 is looking ever better as like as not 10.12 will just be more eye candy, and more bugs given the recent trend of OS X releases...

Personally I wouldn't consider an Apple desktop for obvious reason, and sadly the Notebooks are following fast thanks to OS X and Apple`s recent poor QC of software on their own hardware

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

Duplicate.

 

[mapleleafer]

Apple has forgotten the serious user, with OS X heading down the same path as IOS, dumbed down & locked in.

The masses far outnumber those who need to use computers. Apple is in the business to make money. Those of us who remember when Apple ONLY made computers are aware of Apple's new focus. They haven't forgotten anyone.

 

[Queen6]

The masses far outnumber those who need to use computers. Apple is in the business to make money. Those of us who remember when Apple ONLY made computers are aware of Apple's new focus. They haven't forgotten anyone.

I completely agree, not that it resolves anything.

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[navaira]

Apple Car, using Apple Maps and iCloud, would drive you into the river and cheerfully announce "you have reached your destination".
However, Windows Car will provide you with the useful "can not stop now, installing update 7 of 123" and "our advertisers suggest that instead of visiting your grandmother you should visit the nearby steak place, continue?".

I'll stick with a bicycle.

As I found out (and what irritates me I can't remember how) disabling SIP leaves your Cap-system open to permissions problems, however you can't repair them with Dumb Utility. Is there something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg that will repair permissions on Capster?

 

[George Dawes]

Apple's problem is that after all those years of being the underdog and fighting their way up , under Steve's guidance and genius , they're now top of the pile and there's only one way to go .....

My experience with el crapitan is that it's the worst so I've ever used from Apple since OS 8 , even worse than the early versions of OS X .

It wiped out 13,000 emails , messed up a perfectly working Mac mini beyond repair and overall has been a total nightmare.

 

[Jayson A]

I can't seem to figure out why the scroll speed settings don't work for my WIRED Apple Mighty Mouse. The first notch is super slow and the rest are blazingly-fast... there's no in-between.

Does anyone have a workaround for this? I use a desktop computer, so I'm not using a trackpad.

 

[Partron22]

My experience with el crapitan...

El Cago might be a better/full Spanish, term to convey the meaning you're trying to express here.
Mixed language phrasing can be confusing for some; especially those whose first language is neither English nor Spanish.
https://translate.google.com/
I just use el cap myself. It's shorter.

 

[MrAverigeUser]

Apple has forgotten the serious user, with OS X heading down the same path as IOS, dumbed down & locked in. Windows 10 is looking ever better as like as not 10.12 will just be more eye candy, and more bugs given the recent trend of OS X releases...

Personally I wouldn't consider an Apple desktop for obvious reason, and sadly the Notebooks are following fast thanks to OS X and Apple`s recent poor QC of software on their own hardware

Q-6

I totally agree.
I understand that they sell hardware and software as a bundle.
But their sort of abusing customers by cutting our freedom to replace or at least repair parts of OUR equipment goes to far, a kind of taking us for fools or even worst: for slaves.
the rapid descent began with "proprietary" parts, investing 10 times more manpower on how to block customers from having the liberty to modify their OWN computers with lots of glue, even "proprietary Screws", modifying axes of assembling screws from 90° to other axes, and even preventing us from using other memory/SSDs and so on.
The cMP ist a customer-orientated system made "for eternity", a real milestone of good design. MBP until roundabout 2012 even. Now they are selling hardware and software more and more failing… and they give a s*** on customers comfort (i.e. makeup Mirrors instead of well-made antiglare-Screens, refusing the very important step from USB 2.0 to USB 3.0 for whole 2 years 2010-2013 for the dead horse Thunderbolt, and so on).

I´ll keep my MBP 15" antiglare 2011, I even purchased a 2012 MBP (version with USB3.0 and antiglare screen) some days ago - and I will stick with ML as long as possible. Same for my classic MacPro 2009 , easy to upgrade NOWADAYS by WELL-DESIGNED third-party products to USB 3.0, eSATA with SSD, WLAN a/c and lots of RAM and so on. Gets modern and fast very easy. In former times apple has been proud of that. They defended that type of product-philosophy - Now they started already a war AGAINST their customers.

I will well backup every LAST version of the OSX following 10.8.5 - just to have an alternative when absolutely forced to switch. As I do for IOS after IOS7.

Otherwise, there are Linux getting more and more useable and Windows as well…

Can you hear me, Tim? I tell you: "Arrogance and greed leads sooner or later to failure".

 

[^^BIGMac]

Apple has forgotten the serious user, with OS X heading down the same path as IOS

This may be true to some extent but with El Capitan regular dumbed down features don't work either... #Garbage

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Apple's problem is that after all those years of being the underdog and fighting their way up , under Steve's guidance and genius , they're now top of the pile and there's only one way to go .....

...to sell energy efficient cars and lifestyle devices to Americans to convince them that their traditional view of consumption and energy use is inefficient and damaging. Maybe it's better that Apple prioritise here because they have the capital to do so, and leave the serious/high end/pro/gaming desktop computing to Microsoft. In that case it doesn't matter is OSX becomes dumbed down for 'regular people'. The only people hurt are the ones who held on to a high end power/high end configuration, dream that never came to pass.

 

[navaira]

OK let's not get too upset about the fact that Ive drew all icons with crayons, Photos has been released without a user interface and Disk Utility is an accidentally ported demo for iPad Pro Apple haven't YET moved on from Macs to cars. The Car, if it even exists, is going to be fringe business because with Apple's margins there will simply be very few people able to afford it. Of course it will be a fringe business bringing in $20 billion per year, like the Watch, but it's unlikely to become Apple's biggest product within five years.*

El Cap has been marketed as one thing and instead is another. It's not the first time ever this happens. Apple Music is a disaster. El Cap is just disappointing. The direction in which it has moved from Yosemite is not what I would like to see but it doesn't necessarily mean 10.12 will come without Terminal.



* tomorrow iCar is announced and sells so much Apple buys the USA for beta testing purposes

 

[Partron22]

OK let's not get too upset about the fact that Ive drew all icons with crayons, Photos has been released without a user interface and Disk Utility is an accidentally ported demo for iPad Pro Apple haven't YET moved on from Macs to cars. The Car, if it even exists, is going to be fringe business because with Apple's margins there will simply be very few people able to afford it. Of course it will be a fringe business bringing in $20 billion per year, like the Watch, but it's unlikely to become Apple's biggest product within five years.*

El Cap has been marketed as one thing and instead is another. It's not the first time ever this happens. Apple Music is a disaster. El Cap is just disappointing. The direction in which it has moved from Yosemite is not what I would like to see but it doesn't necessarily mean 10.12 will come without Terminal.



* tomorrow iCar is announced and sells so much Apple buys the USA for beta testing purposes

 

[Partron22]

The direction in which it has moved from Yosemite is not what I would like to see but it doesn't necessarily mean 10.12 will come without Terminal.

It had better not.
Macs are their sole development platform.
Maybe Ive would like to do everything in house, but he doesn't have the talented programming staff to do so by several orders of magnitude. I suppose with their cash reserve, Apple could buy Microsoft. However, not only would that probably not be enough, but the FTC would be liable to get very upset over such a scheme.

 

[navaira]

Maybe Ive would like to do everything in house, but he doesn't have the talented programming staff to do so by several orders of magnitude.

This is not a sarcastic question, I really don't know – is it not possible to develop iOS software on Windows?

 

[F1Mac]

El Cap has been marketed as one thing and instead is another.

How is it different that what's been marketed?

 

[MrAverigeUser]

It had better not.
Macs are their sole development platform.
Maybe Ive would like to do everything in house, but he doesn't have the talented programming staff to do so by several orders of magnitude. I suppose with their cash reserve, Apple could buy Microsoft. However, not only would that probably not be enough, but the FTC would be liable to get very upset over such a scheme.

Well….
IF apple was buying Microsoft, THIS would happen:

The big MISLEADERS Tim Cook and Jonathan Ive would instantly "reorganize" the way that serious developers and designers and programers (if still on board) been fired or degraded and instead force everyone to focus on EVEN MORE useless things like 1,09 mm thinner Notebooks, even more glaring Screens (regarding your colleagues behind your back will be promoted as "revolutionary new social media" by their gigantic marketing division) , even ZERO ports, more compromised software, and - the most important: much more smilies…. (see 10.11.2)
I propose to add a smilie crushing a MBP with a baseballs-stick… perhaps the only emoticon representating most honestly the emotions of more and more despairing and giving-up apple-Customers …

 

[Queen6]

This may be true to some extent but with El Capitan regular dumbed down features don't work either... #Garbage

Never truer words, and exactly how I categorise 10.11 - Garbage...

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[Partron22]

This is not a sarcastic question, I really don't know – is it not possible to develop iOS software on Windows?

There have been ways to do so and it looks like there may be some working as of now. However, Apple stomped down on putting stuff made that way into the Apple store pretty hard a few years ago. After the crackdown, it seemed to me that going that route would be dodgy at best. It's hard enough to code, without the chance of your parent hardware maker coming down on your dev methods.

 

[navaira]

How is it different that what's been marketed?

"Rock solid"

 

[Queen6]

El Cago might be a better/full Spanish, term to convey the meaning you're trying to express here.

https://translate.google.com/

Exactly how I feel, don't see myself looking at OS X again until 10.12 who knows how bad that will be, between Jonny Ive and his crayons & basic software not working from day one, nor rectified after several updates, this I don't need. Anyway thankfully there is "Bootcamp" and a sensible solution...

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[F1Mac]

"Rock solid"

It may sound like an heresy in this thread , but for me it is.

 

[navaira]

It is for me as well! Except when it isn't, that is.