El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.

[HarryPot]

I'm sincerely disappointed with Mail in El Capitan.

It becomes unresponsive at least once a day, and I have to force it to quit.

Everything else works as it should but Mail is a mess, and it is maybe the most important app for me.

 

[maflynn]

I'm generally happy with El Cap. I have it on my 2012 rMBP and I do have the ability to downgrade that, given its age. My new iMac however came with El Cap and so I'm locked into that version. I don't mind as I'm content with it. I think its faster then Yosemite and more stable.

 

[newellj]

I'm generally happy with El Cap. I have it on my 2012 rMBP and I do have the ability to downgrade that, given its age. My new iMac however came with El Cap and so I'm locked into that version. I don't mind as I'm content with it. I think its faster then Yosemite and more stable.

Which version of MS Office are you using now - 2016? Are you satisfied with how Office is running, after the various patches?

 

[sfwalter]

Over the past weekend I did a clean install which took quite awhile. However it seems to have been worth it everything is running snappier and not having any strange unexplained issues so far.

I hate to say this but OS X is turning into be like Windows in which you don't install on top of a previous OS install.

 

[maflynn]

Which version of MS Office are you using now - 2016? Are you satisfied with how Office is running, after the various patches?

Yeah, now the windows version of Office is much better, but the OS X is fast, stable and has what I need, so I'm happy with it.

 

[Wando64]

Which version of MS Office are you using now - 2016? Are you satisfied with how Office is running, after the various patches?

I am also using office 2016, including Outlook, and I have no problems at all.
Mac mini 2012 and El Cap

 

[newellj]

Yeah, now the windows version of Office is much better, but the OS X is fast, stable and has what I need, so I'm happy with it.

I am also using office 2016, including Outlook, and I have no problems at all.
Mac mini 2012 and El Cap

Thanks to both for the update. Still clinging to Yosemite but the 10.11.2 update might get me off the dime.

 

[navaira]

10.11.2, Cubase still won't make a sound, Steinberg promise an update in December. I am so happy that I don't have any deadlines at the moment. I'd have to create a separate Yosemite partition solely to run Cubase.

I really can't remember a system update rendering software impossible to use unless it was an update that for instance dropped PowerPC support. El Cap is not such an update and my machine does not come from 1996.

 

[trims]

I'm sincerely disappointed with Mail in El Capitan.

It becomes unresponsive at least once a day, and I have to force it to quit.

Everything else works as it should but Mail is a mess, and it is maybe the most important app for me.

Still broken after 'upgrading' to 10.11.2

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Glad I stick to Yosemite.

 

[HarryPot]

Still broken after 'upgrading' to 10.11.2

I'm having, so far, a different experience.

Previously Mail constantly downloaded mails that had already been downloaded. And once or twice a day for some reason consumed 100% of CPU, and I had to Force Quit.

Right now it seems to be working correctly. I hope it stays this way, and that eventually you are able to fix your Mail. =)

 

[Queen6]

Still broken after 'upgrading' to 10.11.2

Not good as Mail is on one of the major issues. Seriously I fail to understand why Apple is incapable of releasing the OS with such core applications up and running day one; Apple`s hardware, Apple`s software, currently Apple`s failure to deliver.

What honestly sets may hair on fire is that everything broken for me on 10.11 runs perfectly on 10.10.5 This give me zero inclination to update and right now zero inclination to buy Apple`s hardware in 2016. I need core applications like mail to work 100% as a function of business. Apple needs to drop the hype & hubris and get their act to together...

Q-6

 

[HarryPot]

Not good as Mail is on one of the major issues. Seriously I fail to understand why Apple is incapable of releasing the OS with such core applications up and running day one; Apple`s hardware, Apple`s software, currently Apple`s failure to deliver.

What honestly sets may hair on fire is that everything broken for me on 10.11 runs perfectly on 10.10.5 This give me zero inclination to update and right now zero inclination to buy Apple`s hardware in 2016. I need core applications like mail to work 100% as a function of business. Apple needs to drop the hype & hubris and get their act to together...

Q-6

I agree, Apple hasn't been that solid in the last updates. Specially with Mail.

But whenever I have to use Outlook I forget about it. Outlook is dreadful.

 

[Queen6]

I agree, Apple hasn't been that solid in the last updates. Specially with Mail.

But whenever I have to use Outlook I forget about it. Outlook is dreadful.

I have always found Outlook on Windows to be excellent, equally Outlook on OS X I wouldn't give the time of day. Hence my use of Mail or not as the case maybe with 10.11. I am going to give 10.11.2 a shot when I have time, equally I am reluctant to go into another time waste with potentially broken software that works perfectly well on 10.10.5.

In all honesty the recent OS X updates are more about "eye candy" than productivity, coupled with a diminishment in readability due to poor choice of fonts and a reduction of contrast across the OS. In many respects I don't get what Apple are striving to achieve, I do know I don't like the direction it`s going in...

Q-6

 

[Wando64]

I have always found Outlook on Windows to be excellent, equally Outlook on OS X I wouldn't give the time of day.

Outlook 2016 on OSX is pretty much identical to the Windows version.
I use both.

 

[Queen6]

Outlook 2016 on OSX is pretty much identical to the Windows version.
I use both.

Have only look at 2011, thx for the update

Q-6

 

[shoehornhands]

I use a mid-2014 MacBook Pro for web development. I upgraded from Yosemite to El Capitan right after El Captan was released, spent about a day trying to work out issues with Homebrew, Node and some weird graphical glitches in Firefox before I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and reverted back to Yosemite (which I had similar issues with when it was released).

Anyway, I upgraded to El Capitan a second time about 2 weeks ago, and was able to get everything working for the most part. I just upgraded to 10.11.2 yesterday and the computer is running like a slug. Boot / reboot times went from ~15 seconds (with FileVault enabled), to over a minute, and there's a short delay between every UI interaction and the response. SIP apparently messed up permissions again (I'm about to just disable it altogether). I'm thinking maybe a clean install of 10.11.2 might solve some of these issues, but that takes even more time.

All I know is that I can't remember having a single significant issue prior to Yosemite. It really feels like Apple is growing more and more complacent by the day. From the lack of updates / old hardware in the professional lines (e.g. Mac Pro, MacBook Pro), the lack of upgradability, to the persistent de-evolution of OS X (not to mention iOS, but I digress), it seems they're taking for granted that professional users are in a sense, forced to use Apple products, and thus are directing all product design / marketing at a more mainstream market (I'll still never know what the hell they're trying to accomplish with the wildly impractical nMP).

 

[crjackson2134]

I did what I always do... I repaired permissions (with TechTooPro) and it found about 100-150 errors and corrected them. I did a full TM backup, downloaded the full installer of 10.11.2 and installed it over my current 10.11.1 (as opposed to letting the MAS do an update). It went without a hitch... then I ran TechToolPro and found about 25 permission errors. I let TechToolPro repair the errors and rebooted.

It's running like a champ and at the speed of light. It boots faster, shuts down faster, and has no delays when using any of my Apps. I think some of the problem is that Apple took away the ability to fix permissions. The fixes itself mode isn't as effective as it should be. That's just my opinion, but it's working out well for me with TechToolPro. YMMV

 

[Queen6]

I use a mid-2014 MacBook Pro for web development. I upgraded from Yosemite to El Capitan right after El Captan was released, spent about a day trying to work out issues with Homebrew, Node and some weird graphical glitches in Firefox before I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and reverted back to Yosemite (which I had similar issues with when it was released).

Anyway, I upgraded to El Capitan a second time about 2 weeks ago, and was able to get everything working for the most part. I just upgraded to 10.11.2 yesterday and the computer is running like a slug. Boot / reboot times went from ~15 seconds (with FileVault enabled), to over a minute, and there's a short delay between every UI interaction and the response. SIP apparently messed up permissions again (I'm about to just disable it altogether). I'm thinking maybe a clean install of 10.11.2 might solve some of these issues, but that takes even more time.

All I know is that I can't remember having a single significant issue prior to Yosemite. It really feels like Apple is growing more and more complacent by the day. From the lack of updates / old hardware in the professional lines (e.g. Mac Pro, MacBook Pro), the lack of upgradability, to the persistent de-evolution of OS X (not to mention iOS, but I digress), it seems they're taking for granted that professional users are in a sense, forced to use Apple products.

Apple has always served the consumer, and in the "lean' times Apple rapidly learnt to gain support of a specific technical minority user base. Apple then provided hardware & software that met the users need. Spin on iPhone, iPad, IOS etc. The tiles have flipped Apple no longer needs you. This now results in ever more base consumer centric hardware & software and who can blame Apple as this is a function of profitability.

OS X is slowly becoming little more than a gateway to the internet, a vehicle for social media, with Apple treating the OS as mobile, with updates that are lacking quality; never finished, never complete..

It is with deep regret that I find myself looking at alternatives, purely due to Apple`s greed strategy...

Q-6

 

[shoehornhands]

Apple has always served the consumer, and in the "lean' times Apple rapidly learnt to gain support of a specific technical minority user base. Apple then provided hardware & software that met the users need. Spin on iPhone, iPad, IOS etc. The tiles have flipped Apple no longer needs you. This now results in ever more base consumer centric hardware & software and who can blame Apple as this is a function of profitability.

OS X is slowly becoming little more than a gateway to the internet, a vehicle for social media, with Apple treating the OS as mobile, with updates that are lacking quality; never finished, never complete..

It is with deep regret that I find myself looking at alternatives, purely due to Apple`s greed strategy...

Q-6

Yep, while I certainly understand what they're doing from a business perspective (in particular, from a short-term angle), I don't think it's necessarily the wisest move medium / long-term, to completely isolate one of your most loyal, reliable demographics, which to a certain extent operates independent of the economy.

While this demographic may appear relatively insignificant at the moment, it seems awfully risky to project current mainstream consumer demand for Apple products into the future. Just as the iPhone led to Apple's rapid growth, drawing in new consumers from every corner of the globe, how long until those same consumers flock to "the next best thing"? As quickly as something is built, it's liable to fall down (especially if you yank the foundation out from under it).

 

[dsemf]

I did what I always do... I repaired permissions (with TechTooPro) and it found about 100-150 errors and corrected them. I did a full TM backup, downloaded the full installer of 10.11.2 and installed it over my current 10.11.1 (as opposed to letting the MAS do an update). It went without a hitch... then I ran TechToolPro and found about 25 permission errors. I let TechToolPro repair the errors and rebooted.

It's running like a champ and at the speed of light. It boots faster, shuts down faster, and has no delays when using any of my Apps. I think some of the problem is that Apple took away the ability to fix permissions. The fixes itself mode isn't as effective as it should be. That's just my opinion, but it's working out well for me with TechToolPro. YMMV

Where the permissions errors in /System? If so, was TechToolPro able to fix them with SIP enabled?

DS

 

[crjackson2134]

Where the permissions errors in /System? If so, was TechToolPro able to fix them with SIP enabled?

DS

They're were many...I didn't really investigat. Yes TechToolPro did the repair while sip was enabled. To my knowledge it worked as expected. After a reboot, I checked permissions again and found no discrepancies.

 

[AllieNeko]

Not quite sure and we're not updating anything until we're 101% sure.

Well, I'm very sure - I count on VirtualBox for work and it's working perfectly. You have to make sure guests are set to xHCI.

 

[MrAverigeUser]

My personal impression after reading the whole Thread:

Perhaps NOT "upgrading" from my still running OSX 10.8.5 for my MBP 8,2 9,2 and MP 5,1 until now was a good decision…
as - perhaps - was also resting with IOS7 on all my IOS devices…

Thinking of apple´s inofficial announcement to participate in the run for "intelligent future cars" causes me real nightmares - won´t feel secure in the streets no more….

 

[Partron22]

apple´s inofficial announcement to participate in the run for "intelligent future cars"

This is actually an incorrect expansion of the acronym 'IFC':
Incredible 'Freaking' Catastrophe.