A good friend of mine does exactly the same. He never upgrades until the end of the development cycle. As his opinion is that Apple are simply using their OS X user base as "beta" testers to keep pace with IOS...
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A good friend of mine does exactly the same. He never upgrades until the end of the development cycle. As his opinion is that Apple are simply using their OS X user base as "beta" testers to keep pace with IOS...
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It's the same mentality many Linux systems have too. There is really no reason to commit to Apple's annual upgrade scheme if you favour stability over bleeding-edge software.
Problem being is that Apple will deliberately "lock you in" on the next hardware realise. For the first time in a very long time, I find myself looking outside of Apple and OS X for my PC needs, which is disappointing to say the very least...
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Problem being is that Apple will deliberately "lock you in" on the next hardware realise. For the first time in a very long time, I find myself looking outside of Apple and OS X for my PC needs, which is disappointing to say the very least...
This problem hasn't arisen for me yet, at least not with respect to Macs. My next desktop computer will most definitely not be an Apple device as long as Apple doesn't offer a desktop that has decent specs and is upgradable (which I don't think they will do). I've been looking at Hackintoshes for a while now, but I will definitely consider Linux or FreeBSD as my main desktop regardless whether Hackintosh works out or not. I've had enough of commercial operating systems and won't go back to Windows either, even though it is hailed as a decent system around here.
Former Apple designers say the company has lost 'the fundamental principles of good design'
How Apple Is Giving Design A Bad Name For years, Apple followed user-centered design principles. Then something went wrong.
I've noticed. What's up with all these random places where you have to hold down the option key to get some menu item to magically change into what you want it to be? I shouldn't have to run across important parts of the interface by random cruising through Mac web scene. They should either be there right where I can see them in the first place, or be in the Documentation. Remember documentation? It was popular 15-20 years ago, but seems to have gone the way of the Mastodon.
Someone needs to rewrite User Interface Guidelines, and make Apple's in house programmers stick to them.
How Apple Is Giving Design A Bad Name For years, Apple followed user-centered design principles. Then something went wrong.
I've noticed. What's up with all these random places where you have to hold down the option key to get some menu item to magically change into what you want it to be? I shouldn't have to run across important parts of the interface by random cruising through Mac web scene. They should either be there right where I can see them in the first place, or be in the Documentation. Remember documentation? It was popular 15-20 years ago, but seems to have gone the way of the Mastodon.
Someone needs to rewrite User Interface Guidelines, and make Apple's in house programmers stick to them.
Problem being is that Apple will deliberately "lock you in" on the next hardware realise. For the first time in a very long time, I find myself looking outside of Apple and OS X for my PC needs, which is disappointing to say the very least...
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I was there last year after the Yosemite release. I still have my ASUS Zenbook that I recently upgraded to the free Windows 10. This put my Cisco VPN software out of business. I found a way to get it back in a working condition, only to lose it again after the last Windows 10 upgrade to version "1511". With the same trick it works now again, but after all I'm happily back to OS X, now with El Capitan. Currently, with version 10.11.1 everything works on my 12" Macbook and my 2012 rMBP 15". The iMac (2011) is still on Mavericks, as here Yosemite played very bad with my Parallels installation (I need Windows for work). I never heared that El Capitan solved that problem, unfortunately.
An Apple desktop is most definitely out of the question for me, similarly Linux and or Free BSD are looking more attractive by the day, with a Windows partition for the commercial aspect.
Portables are far more problematic I have always used Mac`s for one sole reason; OS X however recent iterations of OX S are simply going against many aspects of the initial design criteria resulting in a depreciation of readability, usability & features, albeit with increased functionality. OS X has also become so bloated and poorly optimised that for any reasonable sense of performance a fast SSD is now virtually compulsory. Credit where credit is due Microsoft has Windows 8.1/10 running far more efficiently on far lesser hardware, nor are you locked into a specific version of the OS as per Apple`s current regime coupled with the needlessly short update cycle of the OS.
In short for the first time in over two decades I find myself looking outside of the Mac for my portable computing needs for 2016. Both OS X & Windows has positives and negatives, unfortunately for me the balance is starting to tip towards Microsoft...
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I admin a small team (15) of Mac-users (publishing) bolted on to an Enterprise server. I noticed that 10.11 reviews on the App store were 899 one and two star vs 427 four and five star. After spending time browsing various threads here I find out why. In short I can tell the team not to expect to leave Yosemite any time soon.
Thanks to all who have been sharing experiences here – it's very valuable to many of us who are not Mac experts and rely on the community for advice and support.
Thanks to all who have been sharing experiences here – it's very valuable to many of us who are not Mac experts and rely on the community for advice and support.
Personally I have given up on 10.11, too many issues with Apple`s own software on recent hardware, after numerous clean installs. Next time I will likely revisit 10.11 is when I upgrade my Retina MacBook. If the operating system & core applications are still unstable then, the new system can go back and I will be getting off this ludicrous OS X update frenzy.
I fully expect stable systems for productivity, the current 12 month cycle results in nothing more than a half-baked OS being unleashed onto users. Apple`s obsession with OS X & IOS keeping pace has resulted in a significant depreciation of OS X`s quality as a product. I can honestly state that I have had more issue with 10.11 than with any other version of OS X, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10, even Android is performing better...
OS X is fast becoming a "work in progress" with Apple still dealing with basic issues; 10.11.2 has particular emphasis on networking, wi-fi, Mail, Calendar, Graphics, Notes, USB, Photos app, and Spotlight. All these applications should have been working on day one of 10.11. One could possibly accept this if Apple was dealing with the hardware footprint that Microsoft is compelled to deal with, however on Apple`s own very controlled hardware platforms, they are simply not delivering period. For me this is completely unacceptable for a "premium" provider.
Neither Apple or myself can find any hardware issue on this 2014 2.8Ghz, 512SSD 13" rMBP, the Notebook runs impeccably on 10.10.5. Yet install 10.11 basic functionally is broken; Mail, Preview, WiFi etc. To me a computer is a business tool that must function stably & reliably, changing the mix every 12 months is simply becoming a detriment....
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I fully expect stable systems for productivity, the current 12 month cycle results in nothing more than a half-baked OS being unleashed onto users. Apple`s obsession with OS X & IOS keeping pace has resulted in a significant depreciation of OS X`s quality as a product. I can honestly state that I have had more issue with 10.11 than with any other version of OS X, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10, even Android is performing better...
OS X is fast becoming a "work in progress" with Apple still dealing with basic issues; 10.11.2 has particular emphasis on networking, wi-fi, Mail, Calendar, Graphics, Notes, USB, Photos app, and Spotlight. All these applications should have been working on day one of 10.11. One could possibly accept this if Apple was dealing with the hardware footprint that Microsoft is compelled to deal with, however on Apple`s own very controlled hardware platforms, they are simply not delivering period. For me this is completely unacceptable for a "premium" provider.
Neither Apple or myself can find any hardware issue on this 2014 2.8Ghz, 512SSD 13" rMBP, the Notebook runs impeccably on 10.10.5. Yet install 10.11 basic functionally is broken; Mail, Preview, WiFi etc. To me a computer is a business tool that must function stably & reliably, changing the mix every 12 months is simply becoming a detriment....
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Keep in mind when reading the reviews the some of the issues are legitimate whilst others are just plain stupid such as one of the responders complaining that his 6 year old computer feels slow, another one whinging about how 'this wouldn't happen if Steve Jobs was here' etc. I really wish that Apple wouldn't create this myth that you can have flawless upgrade given the number of possible variables that you cannot account for during the upgrade process - something is always bound to go wrong and it is best to remove those variables by cleaning house with each major release (10.10 -> 10.11) then build up from there. That being said I wonder whether they're biting off more than they can chew - if they want to go for this rapid release then great but that means they have to bite off less and focus in greater depth so that what is released is robust and stable.
Some have legitimate issues, but El Capitan is about the same as Yosemite. For me Personal Hotspots worked almost perfectly in Yosemite, but in El Capitan it is badly broken, on the over hand El Capitan has a most fluid UI compared to Yosemite.
I'm assuming you mean sharing the internet connection from your computer to another device or are you talking about tethering to your mobile phone? i've had nothing but problems with AirDrop - it works then it suddenly stopped for some random reason. Wifi sync when it comes to iTunes and my iPhone I gave up on years ago because the performance was so horrible it wasn't even worth trying in the end. For all the issues with OS X though I wouldn't give it up for Windows 10 given the mess that Windows is and Microsoft's flat out refusal to tidy up the mess whether it is the inconsistent UI or their forced updates with drivers that keep breaking things. I know it isn't the best argument but I'd prefer Apple's broken when compared to the alternative which is Microsoft's 20+ years of broken.
I have a problem with tethering, but i think it's a problem with wifi/bluetooth, because Handoff is a hit and miss all the time too. That wasn't the case in Yosemite.
Did you keep a Time Machine backup from Yosemite or have you found a way to somehow downgrade the backup? I'd say that's the only thing keeping me from doing the same, being unable to use Cubase for MONTHS is... slightly irritating.
I have a clone image of my drives (Superduper & Carbon Copy Cloner) in this case I did a clean install back to 10.10.5 to show Apple that there was absolutely no issue with the hardware.
Only thing I can do is wait on further updates in the hope Apple fix the issues, if not 10.11 will be a bust for me. Nor will I update my hardware for 2016 for obvious reason. If Apple is not capable of getting their own applications to run correctly, on their own hardware so be it, as there is a multitude of alternatives available...
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For me tethering works although you have to wait 1 minute before it finally makes a connection (selecting from the wifi drop down menu) but if I manually set it up as a bluetooth connection then everything works ok. AirDrop doesn't seem to work on either of my computers so I'm tempted to do a clean install of OS X 10.11.2 on both my computers plus iOS 9.2 once both are released but one shouldn't need to go through such extraordinary lengths just to get some basic file sync working properly.
I still don't allow my fiance to update to El Capitan for one simple reason, he uses VirtualBox with Windows 8 on it and two USB hardware keys. I keep on reading that Cappy ruined VB's USB capabilities and that a fix is coming sometime, somewhere, somehow. For me it's Cubase which would start and make no sound in 10.11, and now just crashes in 10.11.1 which I assume is a new feature. /s Obviously XtraFinder won't put folders on top, and SIP has to be disabled for XF and cDock to work at all. So in general El Cap proved to be Yosemite without stability and with introduced features that make it difficult or impossible to use my software. Who knew at the end Yosemite would prove to be Snow El Capitan?
@Queen6 I wouldn't have much of a problem just downgrading to Yosemite, but I don't know if it's possible to downgrade a TM backup, I assume the answer is no, and I don't want to lose my TM :/
@Queen6 I wouldn't have much of a problem just downgrading to Yosemite, but I don't know if it's possible to downgrade a TM backup, I assume the answer is no, and I don't want to lose my TM :/
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i did a clean install so many times thinking that maybe im the moron, but everytime it was somekind of bug on Apples part.Imagine when i purchased my MacBook Pro i was actually unable to finish icloud setup, beause it was unable to connect to any wifi network i provided. I had to dig up some info on my phone then download a DP4 wifi kext and only then wifi started working. It was so bad i was thinking its hardware and almost returned it.
10.11 has been a huge disappointment for me; all I gained was marginally better UI animation, a few more features that I already have superior 3rd party solutions for, what I traded off was stability & reliability; 10.11 was a complete mess, 10.11.1 fixed some issues, generated others, 10.11.2 has to be seen. Apple are working on many of my systems exact problems, however the time waste is considerable applying clean installs. I personally expect OS X to work with Apple`s own applications on day one of the initial release, not 6-9 months later, if ever.
When Apple delivered the Keynote for 10.11 the Red Lights lit up for me instantly when they were describing the cursor getting bigger if you shake it being a feature. My initial thought was that Apple`s getting close to the bottom of the barrel, so far with 10.11 they have not disappointed in this respect...
Sorry can't help on the TM question as I don't use it. I have point to point encrypted cloud service and clone the primary drives systematically. I simply don't trust TM for reliable full drive backups.
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Imagine when i purchased my MacBook Pro i was actually unable to finish icloud setup, beause it was unable to connect to any wifi network i provided. I had to dig up some info on my phone then download a DP4 wifi kext and only then wifi started working. It was so bad i was thinking its hardware and almost returned it.
Same went though endless clean installs, with no apparent solution, same rMBP (2014) with clean install back to 10.10.5, same applications, same data runs flawlessly. Apple`s only suggestion is to try 10.11.2, I told them at this point I would rather try Windows 10 on the rMBP as it will likely run better than the current version of OS X, sadly there is some truth in this statement...
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Not quite sure and we're not updating anything until we're 101% sure.
Truth be told I didn't have any problems with Apple's apps but I've read use cases of others and mine are just different. For instance in Mail I only have account, no VIP Mailboxes, etc. It kinda leads me to thinking Apple only tested the most usual configurations.
I felt similar but then hearing on and on about bug fixes, stability, security made me think, oh hell, I want this stable, bug-free system, no matter whether I use Split View (I don't), Cursor Shake (I don't) etc. Hmmmm. That worked.
I do have cloned drives, what I would miss is that TM saves past versions of files. It's not extra often that I need it but I had to use the functionality 2-3 times. Including one time when iTunes just decided to delete some songs from my library for reasons unknown. (I did not switch iCloud on.)
My Mail set up is far more complex, multiple accounts, mailboxes etc, equally I expect a core application such Mail to work from day one.
I felt similar but then hearing on and on about bug fixes, stability, security made me think, oh hell, I want this stable, bug-free system, no matter whether I use Split View (I don't), Cursor Shake (I don't) etc. Hmmmm. That worked.
Exactly how I felt, we both, thousands of others also got suckered with that one
Apple has always been the master of "spin" Note to self don't watch 10.12 Keynote, chances are I will be looking at what Microsoft is up to, as I simply can not afford basic functionality to be broken, irrespective of design & polishAs everything important is encrypted to the cloud and on multiple Mac`s I don't really need TM, it`s a good file archival tool, however for system restore there are much better options. This system also allows for an easy transition to Windows should I require. I just need to install one application, add in the encryption key and point to the folders to sync.
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Big agreement here from a new, OS X user. "In Finder, click Go and press Option key to see Library."
I fully expected growing pains. I didn't foresee having to search the Web for 'tricks' to reveal basic functions.
(Not whining here; I'll get it in time. Despite OS X's lingering problems ((like widespread wake from sleep issues)), I'm happy with my decision to switch.)