Unfortunately even App Store reviewers aren't a randomly-selected sample, it is human nature to seek out a place to register a poor experience, but not to register a good one. Must admit I had to do a restore last night as trying to get my mobile data stick working under EC was such a challenge it ended up unbootable, got it working this morning on the restored EC system so a bit odd and time consuming. But under Yosemite I had zero issues throughout...doesn't make EC junk though IMHO.
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El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.
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Unfortunately even App Store reviewers aren't a randomly-selected sample, it is human nature to seek out a place to register a poor experience, but not to register a good one. Must admit I had to do a restore last night as trying to get my mobile data stick working under EC was such a challenge it ended up unbootable, got it working this morning on the restored EC system so a bit odd and time consuming. But under Yosemite I had zero issues throughout...doesn't make EC junk though IMHO.
Why is this a surprise to anyone? This has been the same for YEARS. 10+ years. Even on the Microsoft side. Back when XP, Vista, and 7 had Service Packs, the general rule was to wait until at least SP1. Businesses used to do this. And businesses are still on Windows XP.
Cleanmymac was pretty nice... in mavericks at least. After it started doing more harm in Yosemite than good, i stopped using it. But i mostly used it to tune down the iPhoto bloat (from edits). that was pretty much the extent of it
I mean no disrespect, but what kind of "serious work" are you referring to? As an example I'm doing film music and graphic design - the last OS X iterations, including El Capitan, haven't diminished my productivity one bit. I couldn't care less about the social media stuff and the fact that I can "share" and "collaborate" in "the cloud" - man do I hate this stuff!!! Aside from that (sign of our time I presume), OS X is solid, fast, and "reliable", in short it helps me get my work done effectively. Would I be able to do this with Windows? Most likely - but I'm a Mac user and nothing is gonna change that.
My usage is vastly different to yours, personally I don't care for the clutter and OS X is becoming ever more unreliable on each major release. 10.11 has been a nightmare for me, eventually forcing a return to 10.10.5 which is a first. Same, I need the OS to be a component of the workflow, not to interfere. For me the computer is simply a tool nor I am not bound to any specific OS.
I still enjoy the OS X environment, equally it`s not working for me as well as it could professionally, nor do I care for the rapid update cycle that OS X is currently on. To be a little more descriptive 10.11 broke aspects of my workflow, I planned to move my Mac`s to Skylake, equally if Apple does not remedy the same, it will be an exercise in futility. I am happy that OS X is working for you and others, equally for some of us this is not the case, unfortunately.
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But, would it be possible to say, that not only country, but also those companies, are trying to lock you down on their pre-defined path, limiting your ability to ask for personality and freedom?
Windows 10 now steps out by forcing Windows Update to ALL users using Windows 10, the most thing I can do under Group Policy is disabling automatic update. If this software is released to enterprise environment, system administrator can only hope end users don't ever check Windows Update at any time using computer, or set up an invalid intranet update location to let Windows Update do nothing when checking update.
Now, Mac OS X introduces SIP, limiting the ability of users to modify critical system files, even for solving serious system issues, without disabling it.
Well, it is really hard to determine the root cause of this, but yeah, we don't care about the root cause, we care about the consequences.
I am a little bit different from you.*******
I cannot know or say anything about the people asking for your support.
As for me, there are 2 reasons why I have not made use of my Apple Care and contacted their Support regarding my problems with the failure of installing El Capitan:
1) I still hope that after a certain number of updates (don't know how many?) it might finally work in an acceptable way and... to be honest, I do not want to bury that hope
Hopes help living...
2) I am 100% sure that at the present level (10.11.1) the support employees cannot help me
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I don't mind bothering Apple support to solve problems, but this only happen for all sort of hardware problems and a handful of software problems related to server side, such as iTunes Store.
Months ago my Yosemite crashed completely. I had no way to restore it because I had no disk for time machine backup, while all hard disks I took with me were formatted as NTFS and filled with valuable data.
I contacted apple support. And one technican very kindly provided help to guide me downloading Yosemite, and format the whole disk (yes! The whole disk, including perfectly fine Windows 10 preview boot camp!), even using his own iPhone and iMessage.
I really appreciate the passion and aware of responsibility of Apple staff. But the solution they provide, well, is already in my mind. I don't need to format the whole disk. I just need to format the partition installing Yosemite, and that is enough. Boot information is not stored in Mac OS X partition, but EFI partition.
And my experience is: if problem is related to software, don't ask support. They are very likely not able to help you out.
Parallels says "hi!".
I have firsthand knowledge of the company – it is exactly that, squeeze every cent out of customers with patches sold as major updates.
Windows is always an option for you.
El Capitan somewhat forced that option on my girlfriend. Yosemite set the stage, El Capitan raised the curtain (compatibility issues, she didnt have the luxury of waiting due to deadlines for work and school). She has been using Win 10 for a couple weeks now and loves it.
I'm leisurely building myself a PC as deals on components pop up.
If you feel OS X has been getting worse and worse you can only blame yourself for putting up with it. If you feel it only has a couple issues then wait it out and hope its sorted out. Regardless its blatantly obvious complaining about it doesn't solve anything.
I feel people get too fixated on one brand. I can always switch back whenever I want for whatever reason I want.
El Capitan somewhat forced that option on my girlfriend. Yosemite set the stage, El Capitan raised the curtain (compatibility issues, she didnt have the luxury of waiting due to deadlines for work and school). She has been using Win 10 for a couple weeks now and loves it.
I'm leisurely building myself a PC as deals on components pop up.
If you feel OS X has been getting worse and worse you can only blame yourself for putting up with it. If you feel it only has a couple issues then wait it out and hope its sorted out. Regardless its blatantly obvious complaining about it doesn't solve anything.
I feel people get too fixated on one brand. I can always switch back whenever I want for whatever reason I want.
Pretty handy trick to port those quotes from iPhone to Mac.
I don't know if iPhone 7 would be even thinner, but I do know this trend must be put at an end. I don't want to see next generation iPhone with an even smaller battery, while claiming battery life remains the same as previous generation. I don't want it.
I still keep a copy of Dune 2000, because this game proves me its superior compatibility. It can run from Windows 98 to Windows 10 64-bit without much issue, although from Windows 8.1 it cannot run as good as it was under Windows 7. But still, in Windows 10, I just need to install "Direct Play" and I can play the game. It just works.
LOL! Truly.I must urgently get an appointment as soon as possible to my psychiatrist!
Yeah, nowadays only thing we can obviously notice is iPhone becomes much thinner, starting with iPhone 5. TBH, iPhone 6 Plus is still a little bit dangerous for me to use one-handed although my hand is big enough to hold it. I don't think iPhone 6s Plus would change a bit, either, although given the fact that it is in fact a little bit thicker.
I don't know if iPhone 7 would be even thinner, but I do know this trend must be put at an end. I don't want to see next generation iPhone with an even smaller battery, while claiming battery life remains the same as previous generation. I don't want it.
I think, for those loving to use Windows XP, they would really like to keep old hardware in order to run it better, rather than launching a VMware Fusion or Parallel.How many persons keep truly old hardware and truly old OS whose support has been discontinued many years ago, only because they want to keep using the applications they know and like!
I still keep a copy of Dune 2000, because this game proves me its superior compatibility. It can run from Windows 98 to Windows 10 64-bit without much issue, although from Windows 8.1 it cannot run as good as it was under Windows 7. But still, in Windows 10, I just need to install "Direct Play" and I can play the game. It just works.
No, no, no. It isn't that serious. You need to cut down on the unneeded bloat. Possibly a diet of lean Snow Leopard or Mountain Lion may correct the problems.*********+
Oh my!
Is there a way to treat it?
Are there any medicaments to help me...or is death inevitably coming to me?
I knew that Apple could not be wrong and something deeply bad was inside me killing me, when I did not manage to have my Mac operate with El Capitan.
However I did not realize how seriously sick I am...
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However….in some cases….if you wait about a year….the sickness seems to go away after a few patches.
Yikes....when I read a 20 year Mac user is that angry, I am afraid to upgrade, so I wont, and I have a 27" retina less than a year old and I find myself staying and sticking with Yosemite, so far
*******Yikes....when I read a 20 year Mac user is that angry, I am afraid to upgrade, so I wont, and I have a 27" retina less than a year old and I find myself staying and sticking with Yosemite, so far
AFAIK it is not such a TERRIBLE situationt to "stick" to Yosemite.
You still get a lot of updates and will get them in the coming years.
My experience with Yosemite was a good one (besides the flat strong coloured icons I don't like at all, but that is peanuts.)
If it works fine in your Mac with your software, NEVER TOUCH A RUNNING SYSTEM is always a very wise decision.
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Yikes....when I read a 20 year Mac user is that angry, I am afraid to upgrade, so I wont, and I have a 27" retina less than a year old and I find myself staying and sticking with Yosemite, so far
El Cap has been a major headache. App crashes, iCloud forgetting passwords or can't sync, and now a finder bug with file names that have numbers disappear when searching. I've done two wipe and reinstalls without any luck.
I finally gave up on using El Capitan as my main OS today. It's too flaky and restrictive. I will keep a back up on a hard drive and keep it up to date but it's just not useful for me compared to Yosemite's stability and support for third party hardware/software.
Same for me. Half a year of system update after every major release that you can use it. And then they're already talking about a new release.
What about making a "stable" release every 2 years instead of every year! That would be nice .
What about making a "stable" release every 2 years instead of every year! That would be nice .
The other day I booted into a Snow Leopard volume to play some nostalgic games, and I was thinking, hey I still really like this version of OS X. It's missing a few things, like Messages etc., but otherwise it's real solid.
I think El Capitan has made me miss those "it just works" days.
I think El Capitan has made me miss those "it just works" days.
Exactly the current situation is nonsensical, with the OS only stabilising for many towards the end of the development cycle, then another underdeveloped version of OS X is launched. As for 10.11 I left it far behind, with it bringing very little for me beyond slightly smoother UI animation and significant issues.
Bigger problem is that come the 2016 refresh of Apple`s hardware you will be forced to use the latest version of OS X, like it or loath it, unfortunately there lies the quandary...
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There were we half a year ago going on about how crap Yosemite is.
Within three years people will talk nostalgically about it. "Once upon a time Mac OS X was really really stable... it was the best version ever..."
Lol, but in all seriousness I never joined that anti-Yosemite crowd. My only issue with it is the new flat design could have looked more adult. It has a hint of the same Fisher Price look that plagued operating systems 10-15 years ago.There were we half a year ago going on about how crap Yosemite is.
********There were we half a year ago going on about how crap Yosemite is.
I would be truly glad if such a situation ever comes
...but...in the way El Capitan behaves in different Macs and with all kind of OS own functions and third part common applications (which worked before!) from its release and until now, I very much doubt that one day in the near future it might be remembered with Nostalgia as you say... If that happens, then Windows ME and Windows 8 will be by PC users remembered with the same "love" than the (in that same future) replaced El Capitan will be regretted by Mac users.
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Same for me, never much cared for Yosemite`s aesthetics, equally never had cause for major complaint with the technicalities & capabilities of the OS, nor any other version of OS X until 10.11 which for me is by far the worst iteration of OS X to date.
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I would be truly glad if such a situation ever comes
If that happens, then Windows ME and Windows 8 will be by PC users remembered with the same "love" than the (in that same future) replaced El Capitan will be regretted by Mac users.
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What I find the most staggering is that some of us are finding that W8.1/10 runs better than OS X 10.11 on Apple`s own hardware that previously ran 10.10.5 flawlessly! Apple has simply got "fat & lazy" off the profits of IOS devices. The result is a buggy OS that without a fast SSD runs like a three legged dog. Fine for the "Facebook" crowd, less so for those that need make to make things happen...
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That's an excellent piece of advice. I'll have to be sure to remember that going forward with whatever Apple devices I stick with.
I'm having all kinds of issues in Yosemite on this 2010 iMac and after the rotten memory hogging etc. experience with El Crapitan on the 27" 2015 iMac I just returned, there's no way I am upgrading this machine to EC. I need a computer for school, but I am beginning to wonder if I should switch up my home usage and buy a PC. Then I'd keep Apple iDevices for the ecosystem entrenchment since I basically use iOS a hell of lot more than OS X these days. IDK... I miss the "just works' Apple terribly.
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