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El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.
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Not even a month have passed since 10.11 has been released
I mean, think about it: not full 30 days after release, it is running on 1/4 of all active Macs. Compare this with Windows 10 which is at 7% after 3 month... If this is not rocketing into the stratosphere, then I don't know what is. Yosemite and El Capitan (which so far have showed very similar adoption rates) are the fastest adopted operating systems ever in the history (relative to the total user base of course).
****OK. Well now it's not working too well
This is something I noticed since El Capitan, this choppiness which happens when opening multiple apps.
To check I literally tried it on 3 different machines.
Overall I have no issues with El Capitan - but I have to use Clean My Mac - to free up the memory once in a while to get the system running smooth.
If one needs to use some third party tool on a regular basis just to have one's OS run as it should... "there is simething rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark" as the very famous writer we all know wrote many many years ago.
Only that this time it's not in Denmark...
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Not entirely true.
I had "no issues wuth upgrading".
But once upgraded, my Mac would only shut down if I cut the power supply.
To what category is that supposed to fit?
I don't care about SIP or any other profound technical matters, I simply expect normal operation.
Is that too much to ask?
Regarding statistics of complaints of users of previous upgrades I can just say this:
My Mac came with Mavericks. I did not choose it. It was the OS at that time.
Zero problems as far I was concerned...
Then I upgraded to Yosemite.
Again zero problems in my case...
Now I upgrade again...and get totally unacceptable bugs.
Same hardware. Everything more or less unchanged.
What do I get to learn there were "statistically seen" more bugs or less bugs or equal bugs with other OS X ?
Statistics might "prove" that previous upgrades also caused problems.
However it is well spread knowledge that, depending on the way you make any kind of poll or analize a certain amount of any data, you can get any result whatsoever which statiscally fits your purposes.
There is no limit to the degree of nonsense you can "prove" in such a way!
The only people who truly benefit from statistics... are those who make a living on that.
I do not care about statistics.
Bugs (and particularly those BIG ones which are TOTALLY unacceptable) are my present worries and in that field El Capitan seems to be the all-time heavy-weight champion, before and after the first upgrade.
Unfortunately
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Please tell me what "user error" makes normal shut down of a relatively new, well taken care of, MP 6.1 and I will willingly sccept any punishment for that "error"
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**********Not even a month have passed since 10.11 has been released
I take seriously and believe the experience of many people in this forum who are "running" away of it after upgrading.
Nobody knows how many users had to downgrade.
In my case it was the first time in my life I had to do it, not only in OSX but counting Windows and Linux as well...
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You do not count all the long time to develop it and all the beta tests.
However in a way you are right.
Its behaviour is not that one can expect of any mature thing...
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The number of users that downgrades is neglectible as it did not show up on the recorded adoption rate. Again: these statistics are real-time — they show how many Macs that use 10.11 are accessing internet right now. If there were a spike of downgrades, one would be able to see it in the history. Instead, the adoption rate shows a steady climb (just as it was with Yosemite, where the forums were full of people saying that they downgraded).
Beta tests are irrelevant for this discussion. There is an official release and that is the time when the normal user gets access to 10.11.
P.S. Before launch the 10.11 install base was ~ 2.5%. So again, the adoption only happened after the release.
Someone probably posted this already but I might as well say it myself.
MOST PEOPLE WHO SAY SOMETHING ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE!!!
Seriously, ratings are so low because 90% of users don't waste time writing reviews. The few people that have problems get mad easily and start flaming Apple. The rest of the people are just people who own a Mac to make apps for iOS and are just Apple haters and will always find something to hate about them. People, get your **** together and realise that reviews mean nothing in the present day due to how much haters want to make their opinion visible.
MOST PEOPLE WHO SAY SOMETHING ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE!!!
Seriously, ratings are so low because 90% of users don't waste time writing reviews. The few people that have problems get mad easily and start flaming Apple. The rest of the people are just people who own a Mac to make apps for iOS and are just Apple haters and will always find something to hate about them. People, get your **** together and realise that reviews mean nothing in the present day due to how much haters want to make their opinion visible.
Several of my active Macs are in no way shape or form connected to external networks. Not a one of those is running El Capitan. They won't show up on that GoSquared graph.
That 1/4 term is of only a subset of all active Macs.
Also notice that El Cap picked up 17% of its popularity in the first 3 days since release, and has taken nearly a month to rise another 8%.
Speaking as a fanboy who installed El Cap on day one, that rise rate does not impress.
Yosemite peaked at around 70%. I'd be surprised to see El Capitan reach that. I think a lot of people are already happy w the OS they have on the Macs they have.
I upgraded my late 2008 Macbook and so far I like it a lot. I did a fresh install because I also put in an SSD, and this thing runs great.
There is this thing called "sampling theory". Of course its a subset. And of course there is a sampling error. You after free to add or subtract few percents from GoSquare values. Your personal anecdotes don't matter.
Please go and look at the 10.10 curve fro the first month. Hint: 10.10 had around 20% at the 20.10 — three days after launch. Then it dropped down: most likely because of people downgrading (there was a huge outcry on these forums), and after that it was steadily rising up slowly. A month after release it was at around 24-28%. So far adoption development of 10.10 and 10.11 is virtually identical.
What I find utterly bizarre is it works fine on my 2011 mini and my new 2014 stock mini but on 2 x custom configs ( 3ghz 16 /2 tb ) it doesn't work at all .. total nightmare !@!!!
It's like they didn't thoroughly test it on their own NEW hardware !
Is that possible ??
It's like they didn't thoroughly test it on their own NEW hardware !
Is that possible ??
Same observations here works (superficially) on 2011 high tier 15" MBP, on 2014 high tier 13" rMBP is a total disaster. If this is the case it`s completely unprofessional on Apple`s behalf, nor is easily explainable from our perspective.
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Just thought I'd chime in with a positive here. Zero complaints here since GM and it's been overall much less problematic for me than Yosemite was. I've upgraded 2 of my own machines and my work machine, one of which has had an OSX account/installation that's been migrated and upgraded since October 2002.... In the case of my rMBP 15" 2012 it's been the best performing OS thus far without a doubt.
Maybe that is the issue. People do clean installs, but they restore from backups (workspaces, files, settings, plugins, and so on). I always start from scratch. I grab fresh copies of my files from my cloud services (SVN, Creative Cloud, ...). I rarely transfer anything from one OS to another. That might be why I never have any issues (other than when I used Snow Leopard - that OS was HORRIBLE for me).
Positive here too (but I'll qualify that with a "so far"). So far, different from Yosemite in that with Yosemite I sort of grudgingly upgraded and gradually grew to hate it more with each passing day until after 2-3 months I decided to pull the cord and move back to Mavericks. I don't see that happening this time, but who really knows.
Installation has been a complete PITA, or maybe I'm just being punished for preferring clean installs. Captain Cook probably doesn't want me to have that level of control; sucks to be him. I did, however, gain a portable USB HDD out of the deal by utilizing my Mini's obsoleted 500 GB drive - so that's a handy bonus. I've also encountered some issues with iCloud and iTunes but turns out that was my own stupid mistake for moving the "Shared" folder to another drive when moving my user directories. (duh!)
I do agree with the poster who said that OS X has been on a downward trajectory since 10.7. Snow Leopard was quite tight and solid, Lion was a joke and Mountain Lion wasn't much better IMHO - if I hadn't bought my current Mac which came installed with it, it might well have been the only iteration I skipped outright - cost vs. perceived features just didn't cut it for me. I was never thrilled with Mavericks though I did see it as a marginal improvement. I hated Yosemite (even more after using it), and now I do see another slight uptick here. El Cap may prove, to me at least, to be a (hopefully not "the") post-Snow Leopard high point. Time will tell.
Also, comparing OS X adoption rates to Windows is pointless. It's like comparing Apples to...some rotten fruit. I would expect a large portion of the Windows user base is corporate and we all know how loathe they are to upgrade (for various and often valid reasons). For instance, I'm typing this on a less than year-old laptop running Windows 7. It was only a couple years or so ago I was running an XP box. Heck, I still use XP for all my VM needs on the Mac.
Installation has been a complete PITA, or maybe I'm just being punished for preferring clean installs. Captain Cook probably doesn't want me to have that level of control; sucks to be him. I did, however, gain a portable USB HDD out of the deal by utilizing my Mini's obsoleted 500 GB drive - so that's a handy bonus. I've also encountered some issues with iCloud and iTunes but turns out that was my own stupid mistake for moving the "Shared" folder to another drive when moving my user directories. (duh!)
I do agree with the poster who said that OS X has been on a downward trajectory since 10.7. Snow Leopard was quite tight and solid, Lion was a joke and Mountain Lion wasn't much better IMHO - if I hadn't bought my current Mac which came installed with it, it might well have been the only iteration I skipped outright - cost vs. perceived features just didn't cut it for me. I was never thrilled with Mavericks though I did see it as a marginal improvement. I hated Yosemite (even more after using it), and now I do see another slight uptick here. El Cap may prove, to me at least, to be a (hopefully not "the") post-Snow Leopard high point. Time will tell.
Also, comparing OS X adoption rates to Windows is pointless. It's like comparing Apples to...some rotten fruit. I would expect a large portion of the Windows user base is corporate and we all know how loathe they are to upgrade (for various and often valid reasons). For instance, I'm typing this on a less than year-old laptop running Windows 7. It was only a couple years or so ago I was running an XP box. Heck, I still use XP for all my VM needs on the Mac.
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Do not agree at all.
I certainly am a great fan of Apple. Never been any kind of "hater" and my bad experience with El Capitan has not changed my attitude at all.
Although (unfortunately) I own no Apple Shares
, I still was very glad when I heard in the radio news today that the results of Apple had climbed again to never before reached values (Unfortunately not thanks to computers but due to iPhones, but that doesn't change that their results are so good).
And I also do not agree at all that people issue posts ONLY when they have problems,and therefore most posts are supposed to be negative.
When I bought my MP 6.1 late 2013 many users in this forum feared something that (for lack of a better name) was then called "coil whine".
It was some kind of unpleasant sound issued under certain particular working conditions by some of those -then newly released- computers according to different posts.
As soon as I got my MP 6.1, I repeatedly posted in the MP section of this forum a year and a half ago how satisfied I was with my new computer. How silent it was with no "coil whine" or any other kind of bug.
If people take time and effort to post a complain it is NOT necessary just for any kind of sick "pleasure" they might get from complaining.
In almost all such posts true problems are described, serious enough to bother the user to post them.
That does not make them in no way "haters"!
They are just "users with problems" looking for some kind of hint or help and trying to find out if they are the only person with that problem or there are others as well.
This step is very important to detect individual hardware failures or specific software which might be behind any bug.
It is a necessary first step for any chance to find a cure to it!
I repeat it.
I am an Apple lover
, not a hater.And the problems with El Capitan I reported, which forced me for the first time in my life
to make a downgrade of a OS (not only in OSX but including different Windows since 3.1 and several Linux) are entirely true, "all the truth and nothing but the truth", as they say in law courts.(Of course just MY MODEST LITTLE PIECE OF TRUTH...).
Not only "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"...
Biased thinking and lack of respect to problems of others are as well!
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Why do people always say "I payed X amount to Apple". I spent $3,500 on a Dell XPS and the power supply blew out.
Um, until recently, it was recommended for businesses to wait for at least SP1 on Microsoft's OS too. It is not just Apple. Windows 10 shouldn't be upgraded until Threshold 2, I have had a few issues with Windows 10 as well. Hopefully Threshold 2 fixes some of them.
Those are not running Windows 10. Most are not even running Windows 7 still. XP is still WIDELY used. 7 was the last good OS from Microsoft. Then they shoved a new UI on everybody and it has not worked out well.
EDIT: The only thing I like better about Windows 8+ is the removal of Aero Glass. I cannot stand it now. Windows 10 should have just been Windows 7 with the Windows 10 look. I hate the new start menu (better than the start screen though). I hate that they are shoving microsoft accounts down our throats. The new settings is pretty horrible.
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