El Capitan's user ratings even worse than Yosemite.

[aristobrat]

It feeds into one of the positive aspects of Windows 10 over Mac OSX.

Continuing to use older hardware is better for the environment then 1. Using energy and no being able to fully recycle every component out of a laptop then 2. using energy to make a new laptop.

I applaud Microsoft anyway for giving better legacy support than Apple - it keeps computers usable. Goodness knows a 2008 White Macbook on Lion doesn't get any security updates anymore or anything. Pretty poor imho. Not to mention how well Windows 10 runs on the 2008 White Macbook - app loading etc is almost on par with my Mid 2012 Macbook Pro with an SSD + El Capitan. Yet Apple is meant to have this great 'hardware/software' integration that no one else can match...

IMO, Microsoft is primarily a software company. They make money when they sell software. Having Windows 10 run on old computers = more software sales for them. So it's in their best interest to have Windows 10 run on as many legacy devices as it possibly can.

Microsoft is doing this to make money. Any impact it has on the environment/energy is purely happenstance.

 

[Queen6]

I applaud Microsoft anyway for giving better legacy support than Apple - it keeps computers usable. Goodness knows a 2008 White Macbook on Lion doesn't get any security updates anymore or anything. Pretty poor imho.

Completely agree, Apple is/has become a throwaway corporation, wanting you to endlessly upgrade, as it will be "awesome" and enrich your life evermore, well until the next release launches. Franky I find it disgraceful that they don't issue even security updates, this is truly "forced obsolesce"

Credit where it`s due, Microsoft is working to keep the web safer, by supporting older hardware. some need to understand that not all parts of the world are equal, and the latest shiny toys are not available to all...

As much as I like and use Apple`s products, their greed is becoming harder to swallow with each passing year, Apple could do so much more, equally this is not the case...

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

*******
just correct you 3rd line. "10.11 is really no more complex on the surface than 10.11..." Obvious

Thx, Damm those unruly fingers

Q-6

 

[xgman]

I'm using it and hoping for future updates but it has been the worst, most unstabe OSX I have used since Jaguar.

 

[aristobrat]

Credit where it`s due, Microsoft is working to keep the web safer, by supporting older hardware.

Are they being altruistic, or are they addressing the issue they created which has resulted in hundreds of millions of PCs on the web today that are running a version of their operating system (Windows XP) that they're no longer writing (generally available) security updates for?

some need to understand that not all parts of the world are equal, and the latest shiny toys are not available to all...

I wouldn't imagine that Apple's shiny toys were ever a realistic consideration in the first place (in those parts of the world).

 

[Queen6]

Are they being altruistic, or are they addressing the issue they created which has resulted in hundreds of millions of PCs on the web today that are running a version of their operating system (Windows XP) that they're no longer writing (generally available) security updates for?

I wouldn't imagine that Apple's shiny toys were ever a realistic consideration in the first place (in those parts of the world).

I like to think that the current management team at Microsoft is trying, and at very least moving forward. I think we can all concur that errors were made in the past. What concerns me more is Apple is stating to slide with OS X, the legendary stability & aesthetics is eroding.

For myself, I want security & stability first, the current flat look of OS X I can take or leave, equally readability has degraded. Apple should simply focus on getting OS X to run as expected on their own hardware, for many OS X is currently problematic at best.

Q-6

 

[maxsix]

I'm very happy to report that the 10.11.1 rev has made a huge improvement in my case.

Now both my new MBP and my spare Mid 2012 MBP are running very smooth, stable and fast on this latest version. It's a great relief given how long my typical computing session is for work.

Thanks Apple

 

[chevalier433]

I'm very happy to report that the 10.11.1 rev has made a huge improvement in my case.

Now both my new MBP and my spare Mid 2012 MBP are running very smooth, stable and fast on this latest version. It's a great relief given how long my typical computing session is for work.

Thanks Apple

This update(10.11.1):
- Improves installer reliability when upgrading to OS X El Capitan
- Improves compatibility with Microsoft Office 2016
- Fixes an issue where outgoing server information may be missing from Mail
- Resolves an issue that prevented display of messages and mailboxes in Mail
- Resolves an issue that prevents certain Audio Unit plug-ins from functioning properly
- Improves VoiceOver reliability
- Adds over 150 new emoji characters with full Unicode 7.0 and 8.0 support

Are you sure is 10.11.1 update you experience this huge performance and stability impovement?

 

[George Dawes]

I can't even get it to install !

So far I'm giving 10.11 1/10

 

[Riwam]

I'm very happy to report that the 10.11.1 rev has made a huge improvement in my case.

Now both my new MBP and my spare Mid 2012 MBP are running very smooth, stable and fast on this latest version. It's a great relief given how long my typical computing session is for work.

Thanks Apple

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I must confess that your very great happiness makes me wonder why I spent so much (hardly saved) money in my supposedly pro quality MP late 2013 which "does NOT run very smooth, stable and fast" as your 2 MBPs both do with El Capitan.

If my Mac had been manufactured in one of the chinese factories in which (unfortunately) we learn that the working conditions are still very bad, I would believe that one of those (with good reasons) deeply frustrated workers was responsible for the way in which my Mac disagrees with the supposed great advantages of "the latest version".
Unfortunately it was manufactured in the good old USA.
Therefore that most welcome explanation has to be excluded.
Pity!

I must therefore reach the conclusion that the IT rules for consumers in the present days have radically changed.

In the past you bought the hardware you thought to fit your needs and fullfil your quality expectations (...and your budget) and only then, one day, you eventually upgraded your OS if possible, resulting in a satisfying marriage of hard- and software.
True happiness!

Now we must first wait and see what hardware accepts the present days' "latest version" OS and buy the machine which likes that OS disregarding all other criteria.

If that hardware happens to be a tiny embedded 10x10x5cm cute little boxy with an Atom processor and just 2 USB-2 ports for connectivity...or it results in a huge building-size mainframe in which you need a car to travel from one button to another button...is entirely irrelevant.
As long as it nicely works with the "latest version" OS, that is the right choice...

Thanks Apple

Ed

 

[maxsix]

This update:
- Improves installer reliability when upgrading to OS X El Capitan
- Improves compatibility with Microsoft Office 2016
- Fixes an issue where outgoing server information may be missing from Mail
- Resolves an issue that prevented display of messages and mailboxes in Mail
- Resolves an issue that prevents certain Audio Unit plug-ins from functioning properly
- Improves VoiceOver reliability
- Adds over 150 new emoji characters with full Unicode 7.0 and 8.0 support

Are you sure is 10.11.1 update you experience this huge performance and stability impovement?

1) I read _everything_ in changelings, and marketing materials before making a decision to upgrade.
2) Usually I wait until rev .3 or .4 IE: 10.11.4, but this time there were mitigating circumstances.
3) I've used every Mac operating system since System 7.0 released May 13, 1991
4) Check my posts here, I'm outspoken, I never exaggerate, usually I'm critical, but always honest.

So... yes I'm sure.

 

[SD-B]

I don't even have Office installed on my computer. I also don't accept assignments from my students submitted in Word, we are not primary school.

Just curious. I never use Office but what is it your students submit their assignments on?

Hmm, after reading this thread, I am glad I have not yet had time to upgrade as my 27' retina iMac isnt even a year old and I grew tired of stable releases when Win XP first came out.
Since then on OS..i just wait a month to upgrade.

Easy Peasy if you can do it as such..

 

[chevalier433]

1) I read _everything_ in changelings, and marketing materials before making a decision to upgrade.
2) Usually I wait until rev .3 or .4 IE: 10.11.4, but this time there were mitigating circumstances.
3) I've used every Mac operating system since System 7.0 released May 13, 1991
4) Check my posts here, I'm outspoken, I never exaggerate, usually I'm critical, but always honest.

So... yes I'm sure.

I rest my case....

 

[leman]

Just curious. I never use Office but what is it your students submit their assignments on?

Simply PDF. They are also strongly encouraged to use LaTeX.

 

[oldmacs]

IMO, Microsoft is primarily a software company. They make money when they sell software. Having Windows 10 run on old computers = more software sales for them. So it's in their best interest to have Windows 10 run on as many legacy devices as it possibly can.

Microsoft is doing this to make money. Any impact it has on the environment/energy is purely happenstance.

Intention or not, I don't really care, but the fact is that it does run on hardware which is old, which is also a sign that its been programmed well. Have it running fast and efficient on old hardware means it will run well on new hardware.

 

[kissmo]

The latest update 10.11.1 reaaaaaly slowed down the boot time of my MBAir 2013, Mac Mini 2012 and iMac mid 2011.

Other than that my main problems come - and it's funny that nobody complained yet - from the compressed memory "thingy" they implemented.

My apps become choppy while the OS frees up compressed memory or whatever it does.
I see this behaviour on all my devices.

Even my iMac has 24 GB of RAM and opening a large file in LR then sending to PS - then saving and closing everything will leave the memory full (I am monitoring it).
Then when I open another app it takes time for it to behave smooth until OS starts to release the compressed junk from LR and PS - which are not even running anymore!

I am curious if others have similar experience.

 

[George Dawes]

I ended up erasing the damn thing 100% and going on internet recovery and installing yosemite

NO WAY am I going near el crapitan ever again and this has put me off buying anything else from crapple for the foreseeable future. they can keep their iToys and watch and junk.

And I've been using macs over 20 years , this is a disgrace imo VERY ANGRY

 

[2128506]

El Capitan adoption rate is now estimated at 25%, one month after launch.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

How many of these 25% reverted to Mavericks/Yosemite? I, for one, did exactly that after several days of half-dead computing.

 

[George Dawes]

I'm back on Yosemite

It's like having a new mac !!!

 

[Queen6]

The latest update 10.11.1 reaaaaaly slowed down the boot time of my MBAir 2013, Mac Mini 2012 and iMac mid 2011.

Other than that my main problems come - and it's funny that nobody complained yet - from the compressed memory "thingy" they implemented.

My apps become choppy while the OS frees up compressed memory or whatever it does.
I see this behaviour on all my devices.

Even my iMac has 24 GB of RAM and opening a large file in LR then sending to PS - then saving and closing everything will leave the memory full (I am monitoring it).
Then when I open another app it takes time for it to behave smooth until OS starts to release the compressed junk from LR and PS - which are not even running anymore!

I am curious if others have similar experience.

Different applications, equally observed the same behaviour on a 2014 13" rMBP (2.8) system would get to point where the concerned application would slow, and the more you multitask the seemingly greater the effect. It`s as if the OS is focusing unlimited amounts of RAM on a single active application, so when you switch to another it takes time for the system to settle again.

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

I'm back on Yosemite

It's like having a new mac !!!

Same, I rolled back several days ago, 10.11 was simply unworkable for my usage/workflow. I have a spare MBA with 10.11 clean installed to look further.

Q-6

 

[Fizzoid]

This update(10.11.1):
- Adds over 150 new emoji characters with full Unicode 7.0 and 8.0 support

Great! Finally El Capitan is worth installing!

 

[throAU]

The only problem i've seen with either that is annoying as hell is the pointer disappearing at random.

 

[leman]

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

How many of these 25% reverted to Mavericks/Yosemite? I, for one, did exactly that after several days of half-dead computing.

This is based on the computers running OS X that access a number of websites. Of course its not 100% accurate, but its a good approximation. So its 25% right now at this moment

 

[Riwam]

I ended up erasing the damn thing 100% and going on internet recovery and installing yosemite

NO WAY am I going near el crapitan ever again and this has put me off buying anything else from crapple for the foreseeable future. they can keep their iToys and watch and junk.

And I've been using macs over 20 years , this is a disgrace imo VERY ANGRY

**********
Your anger is entirely justified.
In my case Internet Recovery didn't work but thanks God my Yosemite USB clone drive did it.
I agree that if El Capitan will at a certain point solve all the bugs and become acceptable...is, at the present moment, written in the stars.
However I do not see any reason to boycot all Apple products as a whole.
I suppose that one day your justified anger will coold down a bit.
It is however, and I fully agree with you, a disaster for all those, like myself, who admire Apple.
Ed