Do you have any info on how to modify the DMG so MPF will accept it? I have a DMG that I got in 2013 or so to try it with this but never got around to it.My 2006 MBP was the same. @MacFoxG4 - Time to give Lion the kick in the [censored] it deserves.You should be able to download ML from within an OS X VM. Alternatively, if you don't mind going down that route, you can easily "find" a DMG and modify it so that MacPostFactor 1.0.1 (you need exactly that version!) will accept it. This is how I treated my MBP to ML.
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Embracing Early Intel
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Back in my old job in mid-2013 we got delivery of a new Mac Pro. At the time it came with Lion. I spent all of maybe an hour total using it and then upgraded to ML.
But in that time I discovered that Apple changed the minimum Finder window width when they released Lion. I had several folders that I used that I made very thin in width. It perplexed me as to why I could not size those windows down to the size I was used to under Leopard. Later on I discovered that I had to use an Applescript to set the minimum width and then I could use Finder Window Manager to remember that width. But to do it manually - impossible.
Over time I have learned to live with it, but it still irritates me. And that started with Lion.
Took me a minute to find these…but the first two are examples of the minimum finder width I was using under Leopard. They are old screen caps of the MP at my old job where I had to use the Applescript, but you can see how thin the width was. You cannot get Finder windows of that width anymore.
The larger windows in all these pics are now the current minimum width - which just bugs the hell out of me.
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Hello ebkseq, I was in a similar situation where I only had the "InstallESD.dmg" for 10.8.1 and MacPostFactor wouldn't recognize it when mounted, or when I copied the "Install Mac OS X Mountain Lion.app" to the Applications folder. After a bit of searching I was able to find out what the...
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Don't get me wrong, there are some quirks in Lion, but as I said, as a development platform it offers the best compatibility if you want to develop for 10.6 all the way up to 10.14. In that aspect, it's been solid and compliant with everything I throw at it.
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The message is clear: Get a wider monitor
Please, no fat shaming. Thank you.
I don't hate Lion, there are just some things about it that annoy me (no Rosetta, hiding folders that were visible in previous versions of OS X, slower performance compared to SL, not being able to run the newer version of Firefox Legacy, etc.). I know what's it like to like an OS that everyone else seems to hate.
My 2006 MBP was the same. @MacFoxG4 - Time to give Lion the kick in the [censored] it deserves.
I tried last night to make an OS X VM on my Windows 10 PC, but that didn't work out. I either got kernel panics or "platform not supported" messages when I tried Lion (I tried both my Lion installer and a DMG of my Lion partition on my 2006 MBP) or an efi shell prompt when I tried to boot from a Snow Leopard DVD.
I think I will keep Lion for now and wait to try out the patched Mountain Lion until I can find a good deal on a Mac that can officially download ML.
Well 10.8 doesn't support rosetta either, so that's kind of a mute point. Besides, we all own ppc macs for the old ppc stuff anyway.
As for newer FF Legacy... Lion actually has a newer version. 68.12esr for Lion is technically a year newer (official release august 2020) than 71 (official release december 2019) for 10.8. Source of releases: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history
Also, Pale Moon gets updated about every month, and targets Lion as minimum requirement. So browser support is also a mute point IMHO.
Not trying to be nit-picky, but i'll take Lion over Mtn Lion any day. There is no other like 10.6 though. It's the best all around OS X ever, but it makes for a crappy dev environment, which again is my main reason for choosing Lion.
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Sorry I take back what I said.Well 10.8 doesn't support rosetta either, so that's kind of a mute point. Besides, we all own ppc macs for the old ppc stuff anyway.
As for newer FF Legacy... Lion actually has a newer version. 68.12esr for Lion is technically a year newer (official release august 2020) than 71 (official release december 2019) for 10.8. Source of releases: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history
Also, Pale Moon gets updated about every month, and targets Lion as minimum requirement. So browser support is also a mute point IMHO.
Not trying to be nit-picky, but i'll take Lion over Mtn Lion any day. There is no other like 10.6 though. It's the best all around OS X ever, but it makes for a crappy dev environment, which again is my main reason for choosing Lion.
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Most PowerPC users from 5ish years ago would have been budget users or retro computing hobbyists. Early Intel Macs are the new budget macs, also making them inexpensive for hobbyists. That's mostly what this new phenomenon of those same people picking up early Intels is.
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2006-07 Macs are budget? you can get a 2011 iMac for the same price as a 2006 Mac pro in some cases. Same with 2006 MBP and a 2011 MBA or 13" Pro. We're hobbyists, for the most part. I'd recommend actually taking a look at the kind of posts in this board before making such a sweeping statement.
Did we just get “y’all are a buncha old mac using, cheap asses”-shamed?
Oh yeah?!? Well my macpro 1,1 beat up your m1 MacBook Air.
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I always found the argument that people using old tech are "cheap" hilarious. I've spent much, much more on old computers than I did on my T14 ThinkPad. I have some setups where I don't even want to think about the cost. I have a constant flow of eBay and Amazon packages with SCSI hard drives, terminal keyboards, old PCI video cards, cables for the PCI video cards, adapters for the cables for the PCI video cards, different PCI video cards after that one didn't work, etc.
I agree with this. While, for me, my old tech usage is somewhat based in a budget mindset, trying to get the most out of what I have and seeing how much I can get for as little as possible, it has grown beyond that and it wasn't ever solely motivated by "cheap".
How do you like your T14, btw?
It's the best laptop I've owned, and I have not been able to say that since the T43p. The keyboard is a major improvement over the T480, and the Ryzen 4750U is a jewel. I'm extremely happy with it.
Oh yeah?!? Well my macpro 1,1 beat up your m1 MacBook Air.
Its CPU might be comparable with some recent ULVs but that is about it; not even close to m1. With the lack of SSE4 it is a rather limited system nowadays. Get a 3,1 or 4,1 instead.
This board specifically trends towards hobbyists rather than budget users, but it isn't a coincidence that the low end at any shop like CEX or MacOfAllTrades is now filled with 2008-9 era MacBooks when 5 years ago it was iBooks and PowerBooks. And a lot of people on this board make old hardware work because it does just fine, and they don't feel like spending more for a newer device that might actually be detrimental to their workflow (e.g. lack of PCI-E on newer macs, for example). But it's still a budget device, even if it's done by choice rather than compulsion.
This isn't some novel realisation, it's the march of time. Do you really think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden the same users that 5 years ago were using Al-books and G5s now have Mac Pros and MBPs? The appeal of these computers a hobby is precisely because of the fact they're cheap to get started tinkering with. That doesn't mean you can't eventually expand to some more eye drooling set ups - I would love to have the time and space to tinker with a G5 quad, multiple monitors and refit it with a proper cooling system - but our devices are low end. Most of us on this forum are not spending thousands of dollars on even our main machines. Sometimes out of choice, but other times because necessity dictates so.
I've been posting on the PPC forum for a lot longer than you've even been a member of this site, so spare me the 'read some more posts'.
Did we just get “y’all are a buncha old mac using, cheap asses”-shamed?
Oh yeah?!? Well my macpro 1,1 beat up your m1 MacBook Air.
It was a purely descriptive analysis that the next logical Mac for a tinkerer/budget conscious consumer to buy as their PowerPC device progressively goes from a daily driver to a computer maintained for reasons which aren't strictly utilitarian, would be an early Intel. It offers much of the same appeal (cheapness, upgradability and classic Apple design) with more software compatibility.
Not only do I not have a Mac produced in this decade-or the last-but my statement was not made in judgement anyways.
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I seem to have struck at some users' insecurities regarding their devices, lol. Almost all of our machines here are budget/low end in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't mean they're useless, that doesn't mean they aren't fun, but the obvious depreciation in value of early Intel machines as a function of time is a cold hard fact irrespective of one's insecurity about their computing set up.
The fact that these machines are affordable, tinker-able, yet quintessentially Apple and quintessentially Mac is what makes them fun. Perhaps we should instead weep for the next generation of low enders who will have to make do with soldered on SSDs and non replaceable batteries with hundreds of cycles?
I am using a 2008 25" mbp daily to this day. It's crazy how this is one of the first intel macs and still able to unofficially run the latest osI have two "early Intel" machines, a 2008 MacBook and a 2009 MacBook. I agree with your assessment that they are absolutely amazing. IMO early Intel machines sort of mark a turning point for me in the way Apple designed products and the fact that the ones with 64-bit processors and EFIs can officially run El Cap, a still decently modern version of the Mac OS, is amazing to me. I know I definitely desire to acquire more machines of this generation as my needs expand.
1st off, anyone who uses join date as a reason their knowledge is "superior" is basically invalidating their own points. You assume I haven't had accounts before this let alone that people may lurk here a long time before joining? It's completely irrelevant arrogance regardless, both of our current accounts joined way after the peak of the PPC user base after Intel.
You're trying hard to backpedal your claim here. Just because something is old, and consequently low-end spec and price wise doesn't immediately make it budget. The budget market right now is focused around 2008-12, and this thread barely touches on that era. Nice miss. On them being tinkerer machines, there's not many newer machines you can do it with anyway. We are a very specific user base on this board that almost does not overlap with the average "budget" computer user at all.
If you want to propose that these are cheap gateways to tinkerer Macs, that's fine, but your original post doesn't touch on this at all. Make your point in the first place instead of a vague and mostly unrelated point. It's unbelievably and blatantly obvious that old computers are cheaper than new ones.
i. You literally just said I need to read more posts on here prior to making a statement. I was informing you I've been on here plenty long.
ii. 2008-2012 is early Intel. Intel has been used since 2006.
iii. People who actively go out of their way to use older devices are usually actively doing so for budget or hobby reasons. Oftentimes those two coincide and people enjoy having multiple devices of an earlier vintage rather than one newer machine. The reasons could be myriad. But it's no coincidence that the same people who were daily driving PPCs 5 years ago are now buying up early Intels left and right.
iiii. I haven't backtracked my earlier claim. PPCs are budget Macs. Budget doesn't not mean bad. Budget doesn't mean ******. Budget doesn't mean worse. Budget doesn't even mean cheap necessarily (look at the BUILD QUALITY of those tiBooks <3). But one would need to be intentionally obtuse to not realise that the one of the main appeals of PPCs (and now early Intels) is their cheap price and the plethora of essentially free abandonware that one can obtain. There are others, but the ability to get an iBook for the price of a meal at a mid-tier restaurant is an obvious factor.
Since when having an eye on the budget is a bad thing?
Even if it is because I like their style, that PPC and Early-intels are my favorite machines, I do not complain about having a handful of "budget" early-2008 15" MBP serving as "ThinClients" for RemoteDesktop/HomeOffice use at about 10% of the price, I would have to pay for a set of new machines. And I wouldn't even notice any difference!
I have one faster MBP from 2012, that is only meant for havy work (batch-scanning/OCR) - but with all hands of them "budget" early-intels a similar task could be done at nearly the same speed. And even a single early-intel machine (combined with clever DEVONthing background batch-OCR functionality) could cope working day and night to get the job done.
So, there's no need to upgrade hardware and get rid of these lovely "old" machines.
Well, if working on high-res pictures & video was my business, I'm sure, I'd have to think different.
But currently I appreciate the option of being able upgrade to a bigger SSD any time at a reasonable price.
BTW: thanks to all the help coming from the people here and other related communities, who put so much effort into stopping obsolescence and preserve the fun, working with these fine old computers.
Even if it is because I like their style, that PPC and Early-intels are my favorite machines, I do not complain about having a handful of "budget" early-2008 15" MBP serving as "ThinClients" for RemoteDesktop/HomeOffice use at about 10% of the price, I would have to pay for a set of new machines. And I wouldn't even notice any difference!
I have one faster MBP from 2012, that is only meant for havy work (batch-scanning/OCR) - but with all hands of them "budget" early-intels a similar task could be done at nearly the same speed. And even a single early-intel machine (combined with clever DEVONthing background batch-OCR functionality) could cope working day and night to get the job done.
So, there's no need to upgrade hardware and get rid of these lovely "old" machines.
Well, if working on high-res pictures & video was my business, I'm sure, I'd have to think different.
But currently I appreciate the option of being able upgrade to a bigger SSD any time at a reasonable price.
BTW: thanks to all the help coming from the people here and other related communities, who put so much effort into stopping obsolescence and preserve the fun, working with these fine old computers.
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I figured man, just joshin’ ya.
Jeez you guys take this way too literally. It was a joke. Obviously an M1 anything would tear my 1,1 to shreds.