well that is just asinine
apple isn’t even involved with me downloading and installing apps on my
macbooks lmao
the rules you find acceptable for iphones because apple wants to continue making trillions of dollars is incredible 😂
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well that is just asinine
apple isn’t even involved with me downloading and installing apps on my
macbooks lmao
the rules you find acceptable for iphones because apple wants to continue making trillions of dollars is incredible 😂
When these new stores come into being in Europe it will not create competition. If you want fortnite you will only be able to get it from the epic store (not a steam store, or an amazon store) and it will be the one price. It's not like a packet of oreos where in one store it might be less than another diving prices down.
They're allowing them back, because they are complying with the DMA. Nothing more.
Epic App Store revenue is loose change for Apple at this point.
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Again, let's look at Mac, which is basically a good proxy for how this already works. Are there apps in the Apple App Store that are also sold direct by developers too? Yes... many! So why would a developer able to sell direct- which is ALL of them on Mac- opt to also put their app in the Apple Mac App Store too and give Apple their big cut? Because they can sell more units by being in both places even if those who buy in the Mac App Store will have a cut of those extra sales staying with Apple.
Are there any apps that are sold on the Mac App Store, on the developers own store and in other stores and in bundles too? Yes. Why? Because even wider distribution will make some extra money for developer that they may not get by making sales only available from their own store... even if sales on their own store maximizes their own revenue & profit for sales of that app. Less profit is better than no profit in those other stores/channels.
This will be the same.
Besides, there is some portion of EU Apple people who will be snowed into believing the nonsense we've all been slinging about third party app stores delivering apps loaded with virus, trojans, plague, pestilence, venomous creatures and soul-swiping demons. So a developer pulling their own app out of the most trustworthy store that people already know and are accustomed to doing their app business with would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Will some developers pull their apps and only sell them in their own store? Probably. And if they do so and see their overall revenue go down, they'll learn a different lesson in the most tangible of ways and get their app back into the Apple App Store too.
If I was a developer, I'd both sell my apps direct and get them in as many profitable distribution channels as possible so I could reach the maximum number of buyers. Yes, I'd make maximum profit by direct sales but I may make maximum revenue (but less profit) by selling through a bigger store, other stores and/or in app bundles, etc. And even if I take some hits by also selling in those other channels for this version of my app, I'll establish a relationship with those buyers so that next time perhaps some of them will opt to buy version "next" direct from me and I'll make a bit more money then.
This is how it already works on the Mac App Store. It will be the same here.
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Watching US vs EU is like under regulation vs over regulation.
There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
At this point the EU is hardly the Robin Hood in this equation, since only the rich can afford to set up shop using the new, forced App Store rules. This doesn't benefit small developers or consumers, just the big tech companies swinging their tiny swords in a size dispute.
The only poor ones in this context are the consumers, who don't really profit in any way of that sweet Robin Hood booty.
Lower app prices? Forget it.
Fiercer competition? Nope, monetization.
If anything, EU consumers will be forced to install multiple app stores to get the apps they want, but only time will tell how this plays out.
To me, watching the EU is like a case study in the dangers of unintended consequences.
You wanted app stores, you get app stores (albeit with a CTF that discourages most developers from ever setting up shop there).
You wanted more browser choice, you end up losing PWA status in safari.
And Apple hasn't even played their full hand yet.
well someone posted you cant brick a phone. you can.
people on tech sites wrongly assume that regular people wont bother and wont install dangerous stuff.
i've had enough people install Temu app and then can't unsub from it. continually messaged.
the iPhone currently protects people very well (not perfectly).
if you personally want to exist outside that well, all good. Android is there for you.
why not buy a cheap $100 Android phone if it is that important you have a pocket gaming device?
bottom line, the vast majority of tech readers on this page arent clamouring for open and apt app stores.
its a very small few.
and you know what that means?
alt app stores arent going to make money.
and with little money coming in, there is little incentive.
Many people who comment here are in the middle.
We just get painted with a lazy tag of Fanboys...
There are many things I'd LIKE Apple to do but know they wont.
If I want a phone or tablet to use while traveling, I use an Android one with an SD card.
But there are few apps on Android I've ever paid for.
And I only use Play Store to load apps. My choice. Yours might be different. All good. Do what you want there.
But overall, for more than a decade, Apple has made phones worth buying and using for a lot of people. Buyers know what they are and the limits of the App Store. Many value the walled garden keeping them (mostly) safe. We get regular OS updates and 5 year old phones are still usable. Or make great hand-me-down gifts. Even if they need a new battery or stay permanently powered. I've had many two year old Android devices that never get updates.
People wouldnt buy Apple devices if they didnt think they were worth it to them.
Every purchase is a balance of value to you.
Doesnt mean every person sees the same value proposition. Which is why other phones exist.
Because she thought she was tech savvy enough to install an app on her own, she bricked her phone.
Not everyone knows the risks.
How many kids are like that? Or teenagers? It certainly wont just be elderly people.
I've also supported both platform phone apps. Half of the middle aged users didnt know their App Store passwords!
Their kids install apps for them.
We should never assume the general public are as vested in security and risks as we are.
All well and good, but that helps illustrate my point: MacOS & PC users' sophistication (for lack of a better word) versus fragmentation of the app marketplace for the mobile device user means I am simply predicting more instances occurring as users are going to seek out exclusive apps in alternative marketplaces. I know I am going to be fielding more of these calls from those that already find themselves victims of scams and malware.
You are aware there's not going to be 'direct app downloads' on iPhones right?...
The EU is being called Robin Hood because it is forcing apple to give away its assets. Whether people give the EU the thumbs up or thumbs down. That is what they are doing.
But I agree about the point about fragmentation and have your apps move around (potentially) and wind up by having multiple stores to get apps from.
This is not for you, obviously. It is for citizens of the EU (and in case you are in the EU), for those who care about a choice. Not for those who have to be led by some overlords.
How long has this been going on? Make your own phone if it’s a problem
Once they go alternative they can’t go back to the main Apple Store. It’s a one way doorFinally! Someone's making sense in here! Thanks!
I had a sinking feeling that this place is nothing but a sea of Apple apologists, who don't even get paid to do that odious job, and then you swoop in.
Epic has to pay Apples legal fees since they lost…https://www.macrumors.com/2024/01/17/apple-wants-epic-games-legal-expenses/
Japan will come shortly. So will India and Brazil, I am guessing. It will spread.
What fearmongering exactly? Doom? Raining frogs? Please link the post where I proclaimed any of the above. Furthermore I am defending my interests, not Apple's.
All I did was say "And so begins the fragmentation of the app store experience. Hopefully this doesn't spread past the EU." There is no hyperbole in my statement, no doom, no raining frogs.
I get that you might want alt-stores but as with so many things in life there are others who don't, I am one of them. I appreciate the one stop shop and bought into it knowing full well what I was getting into.
It is unfortunate that you couldn't engage in a meaningful discussion versus spewing veiled insults and hyperbole.
Epic is only the beginning, they will host their own apps but then expand in an attempt to challenge the likes of Steam by offering exclusive distribution deals with other popular games and devs. This is the fragmentation of which I speak, no doom, no frogs. I, and many others, like the one stop shop or walled garden as some refer to it as and do not want it to change. I have no desire to hunt for apps/programs like I do on my PC and Mac, I have no desire to have multiple accounts with multiple stores that have multiple payment processors, crappy customer service and no privacy scorecards.
Target is not providing my “next door store” with billions of customers each day. Epic wants to use all of Apples customers and not pay a penny.
They are not Apple’s customers. They are people who BOUGHT a phone; they own the phone.
By your logic, why should gas stations be able to sell gasoline to people who own cars? Should the car manufacturers be able to prevent the gas stations and auto part stores from accessing their billions of customers? I am sure that you are going to tell me that it’s different and why it is so.