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Shrink

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Welcome to the thread! To be a proper member, your response to any question about equipment needs to be "I have a dozen." And those words need to be true. We will work on it. ;);)

Let me give you a quick run down on the regulars, and I apologize as I no doubt will forget someone, but I am old and feeble and slight of mind.

mobilehaati: sort of the mad scientist of the group. He frequently claims not to own the proper commercially available equipment, which is true but only because he prefers to make coffee in rube goldberg contraptions of his own making that only he understands. He served as the inspiration for this scene in Breaking Bad.

scepticalscribe: The Sceptical One is a person of mystery; some believe the name "scepticalscribe" is code for 009, Licensed to Kill, if one could only find the secret translation device. I refer to this member as simply Our Encomium. Be careful here.

SandboxGeneral: mild-mannered MR mod by day; by night on a quest to, at least once, make and enjoy every type of coffee beverage on the planet. By far, I think, the most curious member of the regular group. He protects us and keeps us in line, gently and appropriately. And he knows things.....solemn things.....like how to kill you with a coffee bean or build a space shuttle from the stained parts of a disused coffee grinder.

BenTrovato: there is ample evidence that he is really Geddy Lee, of the Canadian rock band Rush. The touring schedule for this band, if you do some digging, explains the somewhat infrequent postings from this fan of Coffee of the North.

Shrink: he will claim at some point to be a simple country doctor. In reality, he is the majority owner of several international coffee chains, including Starbucks, and his name is a subtle pun on the bank accounts of his customers. The origin of Shrink's Law: if you like it, drink it twice.

As for myself, I am just someone trying to get the most out of my Mr. Coffee drip brewer. I'm sort of the group mascot; they let me hang around and humor me from time to time with wisdom and advice. On occasion, they make me put on a coffee bean suit and stand on the street corner with a sign that says "Grinders Rule!" I don't mind.

Anyway, welcome!



Now this is wonderful news! What a day. The Scepital One is off buying antique pens, we have had a serious coffee-geek discussion of shot ratios, a new member has arrived, and now we await the unboxing and first pull of a new machine.

Wonderful.

HAHAHA!

Brilliant!:D
 

mobilehaathi

macrumors G3
Aug 19, 2008
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Welcome to the thread! To be a proper member, your response to any question about equipment needs to be "I have a dozen." And those words need to be true. We will work on it. ;);)

Let me give you a quick run down on the regulars, and I apologize as I no doubt will forget someone, but I am old and feeble and slight of mind.

mobilehaati: sort of the mad scientist of the group. He frequently claims not to own the proper commercially available equipment, which is true but only because he prefers to make coffee in rube goldberg contraptions of his own making that only he understands. He served as the inspiration for this scene in Breaking Bad.

scepticalscribe: The Sceptical One is a person of mystery; some believe the name "scepticalscribe" is code for 009, Licensed to Kill, if one could only find the secret translation device. I refer to this member as simply Our Encomium. Be careful here.

SandboxGeneral: mild-mannered MR mod by day; by night on a quest to, at least once, make and enjoy every type of coffee beverage on the planet. By far, I think, the most curious member of the regular group. He protects us and keeps us in line, gently and appropriately. And he knows things.....solemn things.....like how to kill you with a coffee bean or build a space shuttle from the stained parts of a disused coffee grinder.

BenTrovato: there is ample evidence that he is really Geddy Lee, of the Canadian rock band Rush. The touring schedule for this band, if you do some digging, explains the somewhat infrequent postings from this fan of Coffee of the North.

Shrink: he will claim at some point to be a simple country doctor. In reality, he is the majority owner of several international coffee chains, including Starbucks, and his name is a subtle pun on the bank accounts of his customers. The origin of Shrink's Law: if you like it, drink it twice.

As for myself, I am just someone trying to get the most out of my Mr. Coffee drip brewer. I'm sort of the group mascot; they let me hang around and humor me from time to time with wisdom and advice. On occasion, they make me put on a coffee bean suit and stand on the street corner with a sign that says "Grinders Rule!" I don't mind.

Anyway, welcome!



Now this is wonderful news! What a day. The Scepital One is off buying antique pens, we have had a serious coffee-geek discussion of shot ratios, a new member has arrived, and now we await the unboxing and first pull of a new machine.

Wonderful.

First class introductions, thank you!

Here's hoping scepticalscribe's wallet made the impossible escape from it's lead tomb and promptly went off to enjoy the company of whomever is selling exquisite antique pens. :D

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I didn't know that. I'm so jealous!! :)



Around here if you want freshly roasted you order online or do it yourself. Of course, I'm in the boondocks of very deep southern Illinois. Right in the heart of coal country.

I know your pain. These days I travel to the deep south somewhat regularly....try to find coffee down there...........

:confused:
 

S.B.G

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Sep 8, 2010
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Welcome to the thread! To be a proper member, your response to any question about equipment needs to be "I have a dozen." And those words need to be true. We will work on it. ;);)

Let me give you a quick run down on the regulars, and I apologize as I no doubt will forget someone, but I am old and feeble and slight of mind.

mobilehaati: sort of the mad scientist of the group. He frequently claims not to own the proper commercially available equipment, which is true but only because he prefers to make coffee in rube goldberg contraptions of his own making that only he understands. He served as the inspiration for this scene in Breaking Bad.

scepticalscribe: The Sceptical One is a person of mystery; some believe the name "scepticalscribe" is code for 009, Licensed to Kill, if one could only find the secret translation device. I refer to this member as simply Our Encomium. Be careful here.

SandboxGeneral: mild-mannered MR mod by day; by night on a quest to, at least once, make and enjoy every type of coffee beverage on the planet. By far, I think, the most curious member of the regular group. He protects us and keeps us in line, gently and appropriately. And he knows things.....solemn things.....like how to kill you with a coffee bean or build a space shuttle from the stained parts of a disused coffee grinder.

BenTrovato: there is ample evidence that he is really Geddy Lee, of the Canadian rock band Rush. The touring schedule for this band, if you do some digging, explains the somewhat infrequent postings from this fan of Coffee of the North.

Shrink: he will claim at some point to be a simple country doctor. In reality, he is the majority owner of several international coffee chains, including Starbucks, and his name is a subtle pun on the bank accounts of his customers. The origin of Shrink's Law: if you like it, drink it twice.

As for myself, I am just someone trying to get the most out of my Mr. Coffee drip brewer. I'm sort of the group mascot; they let me hang around and humor me from time to time with wisdom and advice. On occasion, they make me put on a coffee bean suit and stand on the street corner with a sign that says "Grinders Rule!" I don't mind.

Anyway, welcome!



Now this is wonderful news! What a day. The Scepital One is off buying antique pens, we have had a serious coffee-geek discussion of shot ratios, a new member has arrived, and now we await the unboxing and first pull of a new machine.

Wonderful.

Excellent synopsis of us regular denizens! I always look forward to your posts and stories!
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
I'd go with the tamper you mentioned, the Cafelat Royal 58.35 mm flat bottom tamper. It's a specifically made for the VST/Strada baskets and is a terrific fit...no grinds on the walls of the basket after the tamp.

Since I've taken a slightly different approach to tamping than the traditional 30 pound, test-on-a-bathroom-scale technique, but rather an emphasis on consistency rather the pressure poundage...I'm using the Londinium Button Tamper below, which is 58.50 mm...an absolute perfect fit. The fit is so good, it's almost impossible to get anything other than a perfectly level tamp.

Quite pricey, though.

Image

Quite pricey, but (you posted a picture) what a beautiful object. And we all know here that beauty must be honoured…….by reaching for a wallet….

If I ever decide to embark upon the serious side of caffeine enthusiasm - as opposed to being the coffee dilettante I currently am - no doubt, I, too, will purchase such an elegant and exquisite object…..

Welcome to the thread! To be a proper member, your response to any question about equipment needs to be "I have a dozen." And those words need to be true. We will work on it. ;);)

Let me give you a quick run down on the regulars, and I apologize as I no doubt will forget someone, but I am old and feeble and slight of mind.

mobilehaati: sort of the mad scientist of the group. He frequently claims not to own the proper commercially available equipment, which is true but only because he prefers to make coffee in rube goldberg contraptions of his own making that only he understands. He served as the inspiration for this scene in Breaking Bad.

scepticalscribe: The Sceptical One is a person of mystery; some believe the name "scepticalscribe" is code for 009, Licensed to Kill, if one could only find the secret translation device. I refer to this member as simply Our Encomium. Be careful here.

SandboxGeneral: mild-mannered MR mod by day; by night on a quest to, at least once, make and enjoy every type of coffee beverage on the planet. By far, I think, the most curious member of the regular group. He protects us and keeps us in line, gently and appropriately. And he knows things.....solemn things.....like how to kill you with a coffee bean or build a space shuttle from the stained parts of a disused coffee grinder.

BenTrovato: there is ample evidence that he is really Geddy Lee, of the Canadian rock band Rush. The touring schedule for this band, if you do some digging, explains the somewhat infrequent postings from this fan of Coffee of the North.

Shrink: he will claim at some point to be a simple country doctor. In reality, he is the majority owner of several international coffee chains, including Starbucks, and his name is a subtle pun on the bank accounts of his customers. The origin of Shrink's Law: if you like it, drink it twice.

As for myself, I am just someone trying to get the most out of my Mr. Coffee drip brewer. I'm sort of the group mascot; they let me hang around and humor me from time to time with wisdom and advice. On occasion, they make me put on a coffee bean suit and stand on the street corner with a sign that says "Grinders Rule!" I don't mind.

Anyway, welcome!



Now this is wonderful news! What a day. The Scepital One is off buying antique pens, we have had a serious coffee-geek discussion of shot ratios, a new member has arrived, and now we await the unboxing and first pull of a new machine.

Wonderful.

What a wonderful set of character sketches, worthy of the pen (antique or not) of a fully fledged parliamentary sketch writer (it was once my ambition to be such; life decreed otherwise….). Great post, though, and very funny to read; I thoroughly enjoyed it….

Now, as to pens and wallets…….


And the vultures are already circling the rotting corpse of my once rotund wallet.:eek:

Wallets need strict dieting every so often…….(re-reading that sentence, I am not even sure I know what it means myself)…..

First class introductions, thank you!

Here's hoping scepticalscribe's wallet made the impossible escape from it's lead tomb and promptly went off to enjoy the company of whomever is selling exquisite antique pens. :D



…….
:confused:


Yes, my wallet escaped, (did anyone doubt that it would?) and went happily bounding down Piccadilly Road, pursued by me………

We both managed to find the Burlington Arcade, a gentle stroll of around five to seven minutes from where I am staying…….

This is a veritable Aladdin's Cave offering High Class Retail Therapy, and Mr Kurwenal's recommended spot, Penfriends, can be found on almost at the very end of a long upmarket arcade of exquisitely evil emporia…..

There is a Leica shop; the camera in my rucksack twitched, longing to greet its younger digital kin, (it runs on film) and was swiftly told to shut up. By me.

There are several shops selling cashmere - well, I love cashmere, and Mummy's birthday is next week. (Mummy also loves cashmere). And, while Mummy may have forgotten much, Munmmy knows enough to know that she still loves the feel of cashmere against her skin. Sufficeth to say that my credit card escaped and had An Awfully Good Time in the Cashmere Shop.

Then, there was Mr Kurwenal's Penfriends, - a beautiful, small, squashed, atmospheric, shop, wherein several tales unfolded, and and a credit card effected another successful escape, chortling with glee. The bought pen was not, however, an antique; instead, I paid close heed to the sign describing how brittle the materials and construction of some of the older models were, and closer heed to the fact that most of the old models I looked at, and hefted, and wrote with, were rather large - and heavy - in my hand.

In the end, I settled for a modern Mont Blanc, a beautiful sterling silver pen…..another small, classy Meisterstuck, but in silver…..exquisitely balanced in my hand, and a beautiful thing to write with…...

I also informed the staff - to their delight - that their shop had been recommended by a friend from the US (take a bow, Mr Kurwenal) and I had made a point of tracking them down on the basis of this recommendation. They were delighted and asked me to pay them a return visit.

Then, on my slow progress back up that seductive Arcade, my glance fell on a shop front which is a branch of Church's shoes; my credit card giggled insanely. We went inside together. I am a big fan of Church's shoes, and have been wearing them for quite a few years now. So, yes, another pair of shoes were bought, along with two belts (and I blush to admit this - but I never knew that Church's made leather briefcases…….such deficiencies in my knowledge…)

So, my credit card not only escaped from its lead lined tomb but it led me a merry dance this afternoon………with me an all too willing partner…….
 

Scepticalscribe

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Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
Great post!

I have this visual image of a distinguished and lovely lady of a certain age being led around on a lead by a giant credit card!

I lead a rich, if frightening, fantasy life!:p

Given the narration posted above, this is not an entirely inaccurate conclusion to draw; nevertheless, the philosophical considerations of 'free will' are supposed to enter into this equation somewhere along the line…..

Having said that, I am very happy with my profligate London shopping.

Fewer (far fewer) museums, and galleries, and pubs, and theatres were visited than I had hoped (the Old Vic's production of The Crucible, which is supposed to be excellent, and which I was only made aware of this week, was completely booked out although I did try to obtain tickets), but serious (and some necessary) retail therapy has taken place…….
 

S.B.G

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Huzzah! Sokath, his eyes open!

(just kidding)

Fair warning: you may find it hard to go back to regular espresso.

Basically:

1. Make a double espresso. 2 oz in 25 seconds.

2. Now, make exactly the same coffee, everything the same (same dose, same tamp, same water pressure, same basket...same everything), except grind it finer so you make 1 oz in 25 seconds.

That's it.

The two most likely problems you may run into: (1) this can stress the machine. If you hear the pump struggling, consider bailing out. (2) the grind will be so fine that you may have residue in your cup. Not much you can do about this. Whether you care is up to you.

A few suggestions.

1. You must drink it more quickly than you would an espresso. Otherwise the crema will collapse. This is a drink you consume standing next to the machine, having just pulled the shot seconds before (thus my comments at times about "seconds" in this thread.....for which I have been gently kidded).

2. It will be earthy, not sweet. Don't be surprised. You get a much stronger dose of the "espresso" taste. The coffee will be much more "chewy" than a regular espresso, with a lot more mottling and almost no blonding.

3. The grind, of course, is the key. Tiny, tiny, tiny little changes to the dial are required to get it right. Don't get frustrated....it's worth the effort. A la guerre comme à la guerre....

Best of luck!

Okay, this is a big pain in the butt! The Rocky can make the grounds so fine that the Gaggia cannot push the water through it. My first three attempts were like doing a back flush cleaning. Even after 30 seconds, nothing came out. Then on the fourth try, I made the grind too course and it extracted, maybe, 1.5oz in ten seconds. :(
 

mobilehaathi

macrumors G3
Aug 19, 2008
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6,353
The Anthropocene
Great post!

I have this visual image of a distinguished and lovely lady of a certain age being led around on a lead by a giant credit card!

I lead a rich, if frightening, fantasy life!:p

This is all going into your file, you know. :cool:

----------

Yes, my wallet escaped, (did anyone doubt that it would?) and went happily bounding down Piccadilly Road, pursued by me………

We both managed to find the Burlington Arcade, a gentle stroll of around five to seven minutes from where I am staying…….

This is a veritable Aladdin's Cave offering High Class Retail Therapy, and Mr Kurwenal's recommended spot, Penfriends, can be found on almost at the very end of a long upmarket arcade of exquisitely evil emporia…..

There is a Leica shop; the camera in my rucksack twitched, longing to greet its younger digital kin, (it runs on film) and was swiftly told to shut up. By me.

There are several shops selling cashmere - well, I love cashmere, and Mummy's birthday is next week. (Mummy also loves cashmere). And, while Mummy may have forgotten much, Munmmy knows enough to know that she still loves the feel of cashmere against her skin. Sufficeth to say that my credit card escaped and had An Awfully Good Time in the Cashmere Shop.

Then, there was Mr Kurwenal's Penfriends, - a beautiful, small, squashed, atmospheric, shop, wherein several tales unfolded, and and a credit card effected another successful escape, chortling with glee. The bought pen was not, however, an antique; instead, I paid close heed to the sign describing how brittle the materials and construction of some of the older models were, and closer heed to the fact that most of the old models I looked at, and hefted, and wrote with, were rather large - and heavy - in my hand.

In the end, I settled for a modern Mont Blanc, a beautiful sterling silver pen…..another small, classy Meisterstuck, but in silver…..exquisitely balanced in my hand, and a beautiful thing to write with…...

I also informed the staff - to their delight - that their shop had been recommended by a friend from the US (take a bow, Mr Kurwenal) and I had made a point of tracking them down on the basis of this recommendation. They were delighted and asked me to pay them a return visit.

Then, on my slow progress back up that seductive Arcade, my glance fell on a shop front which is a branch of Church's shoes; my credit card giggled insanely. We went inside together. I am a big fan of Church's shoes, and have been wearing them for quite a few years now. So, yes, another pair of shoes were bought, along with two belts (and I blush to admit this - but I never knew that Church's made leather briefcases…….such deficiencies in my knowledge…)

So, my credit card not only escaped from its lead lined tomb but it led me a merry dance this afternoon………with me an all too willing partner…….

Excellent, wonderful, and entirely expected. ;)
 

Scepticalscribe

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Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
This is all going into your file, you know. :cool:

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Excellent, wonderful, and entirely expected. ;)

Hm. Yes. There are files, and there are files…..…….…….

Well, if I had written that the credit card was secured with a padlocked unbreakable chain, and had been cast into solitary confinement in some deep dark dungeon, you none of you would have believed me, now, would you?

More to the point, advice about lead lined tombs notwithstanding, I have a strange feeling that I was being………egged on, or even, encouraged, in these expeditions leading to considerable expenditures….by the denizens of this thread…..

In fact, had I posted a strange, sad, solitary tale of wandering the streets of London without a single bold burst of extravagance, I doubt that such a narrative would have been consumed with quite the same degree of enthusiasm.

It is as it is, especially where coffee is concerned: We each - one and all - on this thread, eagerly and enthusiastically (and dare I say, perhaps even vicariously) spend our own - and one another's - money, and the thread is all the better for that!
 

mobilehaathi

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Aug 19, 2008
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The Anthropocene
Hm. Yes. There are files, and there are files…..…….…….

Well, if I had written that the credit card was secured with a padlocked unbreakable chain, and had been cast into solitary confinement in some deep dark dungeon, you none of you would have believed me, now, would you?

More to the point, advice about lead lined tombs notwithstanding, I have a strange feeling that I was being………egged on, or even, encouraged, in these expeditions leading to considerable expenditures….by the denizens of this thread…..

In fact, had I posted a strange, sad, solitary tale of wandering the streets of London without a single bold burst of extravagance, I doubt that such a narrative would have been consumed with quite the same degree of enthusiasm.

It is as it is, especially where coffee is concerned: We each - one and all - on this thread, eagerly and enthusiastically (and dare I say, perhaps even vicariously) spend our own - and one another's - money, and the thread is all the better for that!

Well, you just might be onto something there. And since I, too, practiced some serious retail therapy today, I think the thread ought to be mollified for a day or two. ;)
 

S.B.G

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You just wait until your wallets slip out of their chains, aroused by the racket you're generating!!

Ha! That happened to me last Autumn when I purchased the Gaggia and all of the aforementioned accessories! :D

But that doesn't mean my wallet isn't already eyeballing future upgrades...
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
Awww, come on, open your wallet just a little more. :p

It's never enough...never enough!

The bottomless pit and open maw must be fed!:eek:

My case stands……(and my wallet is strangely mute, tonight)…….

You just wait until your wallets slip out of their chains, aroused by the racket you're generating!!

Yes. The sight of an escaped wallet, bounding and caroming up the street happily ahead of you, ecstatic at its escape from a restraining hand, and bursting with the energy of expenditure to come……..is something to behold.

And yes, allow me to let you into a little secret. Wallets talk. They talk to one another, sotto voce. Wallets are notorious gossips, gloriously indiscreet, and happily embellishing details of extravagant expenditures……..in a mad sort of competition which is not the more usual meme of (male) competition which runs something as follows: - "Mine is bigger than yours" - but the even more damning competition of: "Mine spent more than yours!"
 

Kurwenal

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HAHAHA!

Brilliant!:D

First class introductions, thank you!

Excellent synopsis of us regular denizens! I always look forward to your posts and stories!

What a wonderful set of character sketches, worthy of the pen (antique or not) of a fully fledged parliamentary sketch writer (it was once my ambition to be such; life decreed otherwise….). Great post, though, and very funny to read; I thoroughly enjoyed it….

Thank you!

Then, there was Mr Kurwenal's Penfriends, - a beautiful, small, squashed, atmospheric, shop, wherein several tales unfolded, and and a credit card effected another successful escape, chortling with glee. The bought pen was not, however, an antique; instead, I paid close heed to the sign describing how brittle the materials and construction of some of the older models were, and closer heed to the fact that most of the old models I looked at, and hefted, and wrote with, were rather large - and heavy - in my hand.

A wonderful chronicle, and even better as I can picture in my mind exactly where you walked and stood. Love that shop, and visit it (and readily hand over my credit card) every time I am in London. I do wish they featured more Pelikans, but there is a shop over in Brussels that makes up for that (hint, hint).

In the end, I settled for a modern Mont Blanc, a beautiful sterling silver pen…..another small, classy Meisterstuck, but in silver…..exquisitely balanced in my hand, and a beautiful thing to write with…...


Well, you just might be onto something there. And since I, too, practiced some serious retail therapy today, I think the thread ought to be mollified for a day or two. ;)

Warm congratulations to you both on your purchases, one to pull ink, one to pull.....well.....hopefully not ink.


Okay, this is a big pain in the butt! The Rocky can make the grounds so fine that the Gaggia cannot push the water through it. My first three attempts were like doing a back flush cleaning. Even after 30 seconds, nothing came out. Then on the fourth try, I made the grind too course and it extracted, maybe, 1.5oz in ten seconds. :(

So, ristrettos require tiny, tiny, tiny little adjustments, much finer than you are used to for espressos. Just FYI.

Remind me what model Gaggia you have?

Congrats on pulling your first "real" shot! :D
 

Kurwenal

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Nope, not going to say anything.

Nope...not going to comment.

Nope, just silence...keeping my own council.

Good morning Shrink! Just checking to see if you were hereabouts....


A 10 second extraction doesn't sound right though..

Clearly, it is not. But, the good news is that you bracketed the right grind. Your first three too high, the final too low. A tiny adjustment up from your 10 second/1.5 oz shot will probably get you in the ballpark.
 

S.B.G

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Clearly, it is not. But, the good news is that you bracketed the right grind. Your first three too high, the final too low. A tiny adjustment up from your 10 second/1.5 oz shot will probably get you in the ballpark.

That's what I was thinking. I'll try it again later today and see how it goes.

Its really maddening when I have the grind too fine and/or the tamp too firm and nothing comes out of the Gaggia.
 

Kurwenal

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That's what I was thinking. I'll try it again later today and see how it goes.

Its really maddening when I have the grind too fine and/or the tamp too firm and nothing comes out of the Gaggia.

If you hit 6 seconds with no liquid, I would bail.

Everything that matters on an espresso matters "more" on a ristretto (that is not a value judgment, just an observation on mechanics). For example, with espresso, I can go (sometimes) 3 days without adjusting the grind, as the coffee ages post-roast. With a ristretto, a daily adjustment is necessary. The basket, the consistency of the tamp, all of it....the range of acceptable tolerances both changes and gets much smaller as the grind gets finer (think about the difference between grinding for French Press vs. Espresso....FP, you can really wing it, and the tolerance range is huge.....espresso, not so much....you are making the same type of leap going from an espresso to a ristretto).

Learning to make the tiny little adjustments just takes practice, like when you first started pulling espresso shots.

I looked up your machine. With the right grind, it will have no problem pulling a ristretto.

Most importantly: have fun!
 
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