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Once the espresso IV gets hooked up, you're like the energizer bunny!

Oh, please.

I am just an ancient, decrepit, doddering old man. Barely able to read the posts. Must rest between typing words.

No energizer bunny. Caffeine just barely keeps my heart beating, with the aid of my pacemaker.

Have sympathy for senior citizens, youngster.o_O:(

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Oh, please.

I am just an ancient, decrepit, doddering old man. Barely able to read the posts. Must rest between typing words.

No energizer bunny. Caffeine just barely keeps my heart beating, with the aid of my pacemaker.

Have sympathy for senior citizens, youngster.o_O:(

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"Back in the day, sonny boy, we didn't use any of these fancy electric grinders or water pumps. We actually pulled our espresso!"
 
Enjoying a post-lunch French Press coffee right now. I'm using the Liquid Amber beans and after adjusting the grind the last couple of days I think I have it dialed in to a good spot for a good cup.

I'm already looking forward to, practically craving, an espresso from those French Roast beans I received last evening. Very yummy!
 
Enjoying a post-lunch French Press coffee right now. I'm using the Liquid Amber beans and after adjusting the grind the last couple of days I think I have it dialed in to a good spot for a good cup.

I'm already looking forward to, practically craving (emphasis added), an espresso from those French Roast beans I received last evening. Very yummy!

I don't know what timing you are using with the press...but I used a 45 second bloom, and a 71/2 minute brew time.

Craving...one of the several characteristics of addiction.

BWAHAHAHA!:cool:

:p
 
Craving finally satisfied... For now. Is it time for my morning espresso yet?

This afternoon I kept the grind setting the same as this morning and reduced it from 17 grams to 16 grams and it tasted even better yet. The splendid flavor is still on my lips as I type this up. I want more!

Atomic Coffee Roasters "French Roast"

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Craving finally satisfied... For now. Is it time for my morning espresso yet?

This afternoon I kept the grind setting the same as this morning and reduced it from 17 grams to 16 grams and it tasted even better yet. The splendid flavor is still on my lips as I type this up. I want more!

Atomic Coffee Roasters "French Roast"

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Gotta love that dark roast. When I was roasting my own I tried to get it dark without burning the beans. Atomic is doing it for you...no risk!

So glad that you are enjoying it!:D
 
Any nice tamper recommendations? Like the look of this one; Motta Tamper - Flat Base 58mm (Wooden Handle) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003ICKH3M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_b7GXxbV3PFREE
So, it's almost pointless to give Amazon links, since the forum hijacks them for marketing purposes and that process redirects to the country specific store. Sometimes it isn't the same product; sometimes it is a radically different price, as we observed with the grinder before.

Anyway, I believe @SandboxGeneral has quite a solid one that he'd recommend. Mine isn't anything special, although it is a far cry better than the plastic thing that came with my machine.
 
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Mine isn't anything special, although it is a far cry better than the plastic thing that came with my machine.

As for the plastic tamper which comes with all machines...even expensive ones:

When unboxing the machine and finding the plastic tamper...stop unboxing, take the plastic tamper in hand, place on a hard surface and smash it with the biggest hammer you have.

Then continue unboxing...
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Sorry, but what's a VST filter?

It was actually difficult to find this information, but I managed to find...

http://sensorylab.com.au/products/vst-baskets

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=vst+coffee+filter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.chriscoffee.com/VST-Precision-Insert-Baskets-p/vstbasketg.htm

http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/markprince/04-29-2011

http://store.vstapps.com/collections/vst-precision-filter-baskets

Hard to get this information...
 
So, it's almost pointless to give Amazon links, since the forum hijacks them for marketing purposes and that process redirects to the country specific store. Sometimes it isn't the same product; sometimes it is a radically different price, as we observed with the grinder before.

Anyway, I believe @SandboxGeneral has quite a solid one that he'd recommend. Mine isn't anything special, although it is a far cry better than the plastic thing that came with my machine.
@Dave Meadows this is the tamp I have and as @mobilehaathi points out its a solid one, very nice too.


Cafelat Tamper: Royal 58.35 mm VST - Strada
 
As for the plastic tamper which comes with all machines...even expensive ones:

When unboxing the machine and finding the plastic tamper...stop unboxing, take the plastic tamper in hand, place on a hard surface and smash it with the biggest hammer you have.

Then continue unboxing...
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It was actually difficult to find this information, but I managed to find...

http://sensorylab.com.au/products/vst-baskets

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=vst+coffee+filter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.chriscoffee.com/VST-Precision-Insert-Baskets-p/vstbasketg.htm

http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/markprince/04-29-2011

http://store.vstapps.com/collections/vst-precision-filter-baskets

Hard to get this information...

Dear Mr Shrink. I simply asked what VST stands for? Thant's all. Do you no think that before asking I did a google search and found similar websites that you did. If you do not know what VST stands for fair enough but please do not presume that we, or, more to the point, me, are as well informed as you. I do not ask questions for the sake of it, just when I cannot find the answer via a google search. VERY HARD (for me) to find out what VST stands for. Sorry for asking. Maybe this is not after all, the nice, friendly, place to ask for genuine questions and advise. You do provide great advice and I appreciate it but, "It was actually difficult to find this information, but I managed to find..." What? a few websites that don't explain what VST actually means? Really?
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@Dave Meadows this is the tamp I have and as @mobilehaathi points out its a solid one, very nice too.


Cafelat Tamper: Royal 58.35 mm VST - Strada

Thank you.
 
Dear Mr Shrink. I simply asked what VST stands for? Thant's all. Do you no think that before asking I did a google search and found similar websites that you did. If you do not know what VST stands for fair enough but please do not presume that we, or, more to the point, me, are as well informed as you. I do not ask questions for the sake of it, just when I cannot find the answer via a google search. VERY HARD (for me) to find out what VST stands for. Sorry for asking. Maybe this is not after all, the nice, friendly, place to ask for genuine questions and advise. You do provide great advice and I appreciate it but, "It was actually difficult to find this information, but I managed to find..." What? a few websites that don't explain what VST actually means? Really?
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Thank you.

Well, I'd like to think @Shrink was teasing a bit, and I doubt he meant any insult. Just a small note, though, it wasn't clear from your original question that you were asking for what VST stood for. Anyway, everyone should have a coffee and relax!
 
Just finished our first cup of Irgacheffe for the day, delicious as always. It's a very understated coffee for my tastebuds, very subtle in flavour profile, with some nice light fruity finishes to it.

Showing my novice-hood here, but since @Shrink mentioned channeling at the edges of the basket, I'd love some information as to what this does to ones coffee? I'm assuming it may allow for the few misses, where there is weak extraction happening. My tamper doesn't quite fit accurately and I'm always left with this channeling, to which I do my best to get an even tamp all around the edges. My shots are good, but not stellar, by any means, which is not an issue for us drinking milk based coffees here, we still get 25 second shots and a nice blonde crema with a nice flavour profile, nearly as strong as the roasters do when I have a cup there.

On another note, our importer/roaster has been recommending a "Chagga Peaberry" bean to me. Does anyone have any experience with this type of bean? We'd be using it for milk based coffees.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.
 
VST, to my knowledge, is a fancier gold plated filter, sans gold and in cold rolled stainless steel. With the gold filters, I've never tasted stainless steel but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some detectable taste until the filter had oil sheens cover any natural pitting in the metal. Provided they ask the customer to simply wipe with a clean sponge under hot water.

On another note, I noticed a strange feature of our recently bought drip maker. It has no spring loaded flow hole. Meaning, without electricity, one can turn it into a makeshift pourover. Which is what I did today. 30 grams of coffee to 10 oz of hot water. Strong, rich cup of black gold. It had enough body to tint the white cup I was using. Empty center, invert volcano grounds, like a pourover. I may do this on mornings I wish to have drip but not cause the entire area near the kitchen smell like a cafe.
 
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Showing my novice-hood here, but since @Shrink mentioned channeling at the edges of the basket, I'd love some information as to what this does to ones coffee? I'm assuming it may allow for the few misses, where there is weak extraction happening. My tamper doesn't quite fit accurately and I'm always left with this channeling, to which I do my best to get an even tamp all around the edges. My shots are good, but not stellar, by any means, which is not an issue for us drinking milk based coffees here, we still get 25 second shots and a nice blonde crema with a nice flavour profile, nearly as strong as the roasters do when I have a cup there.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

Channeling in the portafilter can lead to poor and under extracted shots. Basically when you have a tamp that doesn't fit very well, leaving too much space around the outer perimeter, you can get coffee grounds up around the edge of basket, like so:
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Here are examples of what it looks like after pulling a shot where channeling occurred.
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That has the potential to allow the pressurized water to form channels in the puck whereby some or most of the coffee is never touched by the water as it will flow through a channel made in the coffee, much like a river cutting through a desert.

Channeling can also be caused by an uneven tamp and also by having inconsistent coffee ground particles. That's why many people are so particular about getting a good quality burr grinder with at least 50 settings available on it.

If you're shots are still decent and you can get enjoyment from them, you're probably not getting much in the way of channeling. But is is important the get a consistent, smooth and flat tamp in the basket so that the water can be pressed through the puck as evenly as possible.

VST, to my knowledge, is a fancier gold plated filter, sans gold and in cold rolled stainless steel. With the gold filters, I've never tasted stainless steel but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some detectable taste until the filter had oil sheens cover any natural pitting in the metal. Provided they ask the customer to simply wipe with a clean sponge under hot water.
My VST basket is not a gold one, but a stainless steel one. I can't say that I taste any metal in my coffee at all. If I did, I'd be looking for something else to mitigate that.

Link to the VST basket I have and some of the text from that page: https://www.chriscoffee.com/VST-Precision-Insert-Baskets-p/vstbasketg.htm

The VST baskets deliver consistent extraction performance over a wide range of concentration with reduced sediment. It's designed to extract properly and expertly amongst most bottomless portafilters.

The VST baskets were specially created with holes that were fabricated using a new micro-machine and finishing process. Each and every hole on every single basket was measured for the minimum and maximum range limits on area and diameter to a precision of +/- 30 µm. They were also calculated for circularity, placement, square area and any blocked holes before being considered fit for sale and fitted for Baristas. The hole pattern is centered to +/- 1.0 mm and placement is oriented for uniform extraction throughout the entire puck.

The VST Insert Basket was specifically designed to stand the test of time. The wide outlet angle prevents the filters from clogging and the anti-wear design ensures uniform performance for life of product. The structural integrity has been improved, able to withstand deflection from pump cycling without any premature fatigue failures.

Each insert basket is marked with a very unique 2-D bar-code to ensure true authenticity and performance. The 2-D bar-code stores the factory measurements, the quality reports, and even image data.
 
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Aaah...dear friend...in reality I would do your bidding without pay or praise.

I am, always, your humble servant.

Aaah, why, thank you.

"Back in the day, sonny boy, we didn't use any of these fancy electric grinders or water pumps. We actually pulled our espresso!"

Oh, yes; the old, we used a well to get our water and ran barefoot uphill with a dripping bucket......

Actually, I am a fan of technology, progress, and artificial power.

While I love good craftsmanship, physical work of the kind that demands effort and involves strain is something that has never much interested me.

Craving finally satisfied... For now. Is it time for my morning espresso yet?

This afternoon I kept the grind setting the same as this morning and reduced it from 17 grams to 16 grams and it tasted even better yet. The splendid flavor is still on my lips as I type this up. I want more!

Atomic Coffee Roasters "French Roast"

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Sounds fantastic.

So, it's almost pointless to give Amazon links, since the forum hijacks them for marketing purposes and that process redirects to the country specific store. Sometimes it isn't the same product; sometimes it is a radically different price, as we observed with the grinder before.

Anyway, I believe @SandboxGeneral has quite a solid one that he'd recommend. Mine isn't anything special, although it is a far cry better than the plastic thing that came with my machine.

Good suggestion.

I ordered - and bought - a beautiful one from Intelligentsia (wooden handle and all), but, as I don't make much espresso (must get that Bialetti pot out when I return home), the point is moot for now.

For that absolute best fit edge to edge, even if you're not using a VST filter (which I would suggest), this tamper will give you the snuggest fit eliminating any channeling at the edges.

I'll be honest, VST is a new term for me, too. When reading the post, I skimmed it, and hadn't even noticed the term. (My mind is elsewhere, including on my next espresso).

However, I take the long view on such things: If it is of vital importance, someone will repeat it sufficiently often for me to pick up, en passant, what is going on, and why this piece of knowledge needs to be known, digested, and internalised. Otherwise, I filter it out, simply exclude it as irrelevant, unless it strikes me as the kind of interesting information that I might find intriguing in and of itself and worth paying closer attention to.

Just finished our first cup of Irgacheffe for the day, delicious as always. It's a very understated coffee for my tastebuds, very subtle in flavour profile, with some nice light fruity finishes to it.

Showing my novice-hood here, but since @Shrink mentioned channeling at the edges of the basket, I'd love some information as to what this does to ones coffee? I'm assuming it may allow for the few misses, where there is weak extraction happening. My tamper doesn't quite fit accurately and I'm always left with this channeling, to which I do my best to get an even tamp all around the edges. My shots are good, but not stellar, by any means, which is not an issue for us drinking milk based coffees here, we still get 25 second shots and a nice blonde crema with a nice flavour profile, nearly as strong as the roasters do when I have a cup there.

On another note, our importer/roaster has been recommending a "Chagga Peaberry" bean to me. Does anyone have any experience with this type of bean? We'd be using it for milk based coffees.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

Love Yirgacheffe; possibly my very favourite coffee at the moment.

Now, re the 'Peabody' beans.

From what I have seen, these are very small, - tiny - coffee beans (and varietals) that small, high quality lots sometimes produce, or specialise in. Yes, they are highly regarded, and greatly prized. Yes, I love the idea that they exist and that the cultivation of such varietals can happen, but - to be honest - I have been rather underwhelmed by the examples I have tried to taste (the auto correct suggested and inserted 'date'; do I 'date' my coffee? That is - frankly - a somewhat unsettling and deeply disturbing idea...) and have used when preparing coffee.

Intelligentsia have produced charming small tins with tiny samples of these "Peabody" coffee beans. Not only are they a pain to grind (being tiny, and my grinder, - the wonderful OE Lido 2 - while a splendid monster that makes mincemeat of everything I throw at it, is still a manual grinder: Grinding tiny beans is a nuisance), my experience is they are also exceedingly mild in flavour, - too mild in flavour, for my taste, if I am honest, - and I am writing this as someone who has come to greatly like some of the lightly roasted coffees, such as the Ethiopian coffees. In fact, I found that I had to blend them with something a bit more robust - such as a Kenyan - for a bit of heft to be added which would then allow their subtlety to be shown to best account.

We had two wonderful espressos which were consumed (by us) this morning (the hotel's machine had suffered some form of cardiac arrest and was unable to function); one before a meeting - at the café across the road, and one immediately after the meeting. Divine.
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VST, to my knowledge, is a fancier gold plated filter, sans gold and in cold rolled stainless steel. With the gold filters, I've never tasted stainless steel but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some detectable taste until the filter had oil sheens cover any natural pitting in the metal. Provided they ask the customer to simply wipe with a clean sponge under hot water.

Stainless steel does not impart a taste to either food or any beverage; it is one of the reasons it is used so frequently in the manufacture of eating utensils (cutlery), good quality cookware (good saucepans), and in the preparation of all manner of food (and drink).
 
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Stainless steel does not impart a taste to either food or any beverage; it is one of the reasons it is used so frequently in the manufacture of eating utensils (cutlery), good quality cookware (good saucepans), and in the preparation of all manner of food (and drink).
Not necessarily. It's used because of its durability and cleanliness. In short term use, it won't affect the contents. However, prolonged use will impart a flavor, specifically with acidic contents. The subject of using stainless steel containers, whether they be mugs, carafes, flasks, etc. has been discussed at great length on coffee forums. The conclusion being that unless you plan on consuming the freshly made coffee within 5-10 minutes, you will get a metallic taste, however faint it is. I have several grades of SS cookware ranging in a wide quality, and each will affect flavor if food or liquid is kept in it for a lengthy period of time. Whether these are washed with chemical solvents, natural solvents (citric acid), washed with a sponge, et al. they do impart a flavor over a long period of time.
 
Not necessarily. It's used because of its durability and cleanliness. In short term use, it won't affect the contents. However, prolonged use will impart a flavor, specifically with acidic contents. The subject of using stainless steel containers, whether they be mugs, carafes, flasks, etc. has been discussed at great length on coffee forums. The conclusion being that unless you plan on consuming the freshly made coffee within 5-10 minutes, you will get a metallic taste, however faint it is. I have several grades of SS cookware ranging in a wide quality, and each will affect flavor if food or liquid is kept in it for a lengthy period of time. Whether these are washed with chemical solvents, natural solvents (citric acid), washed with a sponge, et al. they do impart a flavor over a long period of time.

Most of the older moka pots were made from aluminium, while some of the newer ones tend to have been made from stainless steel.

Re mugs, well, mine are porcelain or pottery, not stainless steel. This notion of traveling mugs is something that I have yet to make the acquaintance of. Likewise, I don't use stainless steel in either carafe form, or in flasks.

But you will have to prise my Italian Lagostina - or my German Fissler - stainless steel cookware from my cold dead hands......and, as for my Le Creuset (cast iron) cookware, or my Le Mauviel (copper, and stainless steel lined saucepans and casserole dishes), well, snigger, I daresay that they will find a use for years and years yet.
 
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