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That's a horrible thing to do to someone. And, as a MacRumors Moderator I should ban you for using such profanity and trying to disguise it with slver colored text.
I have one, its a fantastic grinder. Grind quality will be better than the rocky and its very user friendly with easy to change grind settings. Its also very small, quiet and easy to clean.
The W version that doses by weight isn't available in the UK so I have the timed dose version. While good, id rather have weight based dosing if I had the choice.
If you have the funds available then the Vario Forte is worth the extra over the W.
That's a horrible thing to do to someone. And, as a MacRumors Moderator I should ban you for using such profanity and trying to disguise it with slver colored text.
If I plead temporary insanity, would that keep me from being Banned?
(OK...so we won'y argue about the temporary part.)
I figured the silver color would get it past the profanity filter.
Very nice review!
I agree that weight based dosing is the way I prefer to go.
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If I plead temporary insanity, would that keep me from being Banned?
(OK...so we won'y argue about the temporary part.)
I figured the silver color would get it past the profanity filter.
I'll spare your
Thanks indeed for that. Seems an interesting alternative, though a bit fragile!
P.S. I am a he.
For Christmas last year, my wife got me one of these. It was fun, but I used it only a few times before it took its sad place in the "cabinet of almost-never-used coffee gear."
It made really good coffee, on par with my beloved AeroPress. But, it was a bit of a hassle to use...filling the burner with alcohol, cleaning it afterwards, etc. That reason, just the general hassle, more than anything else, caused it to join Woodie and Buzz Lightyear up on the shelf of toys that used to be played with. I suppose if I used it more often, my increasing skill would decrease the hassle factor. But, I concluded it was more for show than anything else, perhaps for use at a dinner party or the like.
That said, it is pretty cool to watch the coffee move, once the pressure hits the right point.
I did a bit of reading on vacuum brewers last year. I recall only two decisions I had made: get one with a self-contained heat source (as opposed to having to set it over the gas burner on the stove, which is a bit scary) and get a model that uses no filters (which is sort of the point, I think, but some of them still use filters).
I understand the concept of always using the same weight, but I wonder how much variation one would get from a calibrated timed Vario vs. Vario W.
I would imagine that the weight difference could not be that big.
Does the difference of say 1 gramm for a double shot really make that big of a difference ?
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In my experience the difference between 17 and 18 grams does make a bit of a difference in my Strada basket. Holding the tamp constant, you are changing the distance between the top of the puck and the shower screen. But to be honest...I don't know how much of a difference that that spacing change makes in the extraction.
I agree with Shrink, I think it does make a difference, certainly for an espresso or ristretto. Or, stated more accurately, I can readily taste the difference, on my machine, holding all other parameters constant. Whether it matters is a different question.
I have made so many shots with my (now retired, a few days ago) machine + grinder that I no longer needed to weigh or dose. One day last summer (I was bored) I sat and made a few dozen shots in a row, eyeballing it and then weighing, and I was amazed at the consistency of the weight. I think you can do that if you make lots of shots, holding everything consistent, and if the environment is not too variable (where I live, it is just always dry).
Now, with my new machine, I am having to re-learn everything and I am weighing every shot, even when it is dosed at a certain amount by the Mazzer.
Always something to learn.
I have made so many shots with my (now retired, a few days ago) machine + grinder that I no longer needed to weigh or dose. One day last summer (I was bored) I sat and made a few dozen shots in a row, eyeballing it and then weighing, and I was amazed at the consistency of the weight. I think you can do that if you make lots of shots, holding everything consistent, and if the environment is not too variable (where I live, it is just always dry).
Now, with my new machine, I am having to re-learn everything and I am weighing every shot, even when it is dosed at a certain amount by the Mazzer.
Always something to learn.
I admire your ability to get the dose right without weighing. Since I rotate between 3 different blends, and with some unavoidable variation in each roast (due to my semi-competant roasting skills), I find the the per bean weight changes with each new batch I use, so the number of beans per 17 Gram dose changes. More beans in one 17 gram dose than another.
And are you ever right...always something to learn!
As long as your using the same coffee and the same grind setting then no, theres very little variation. But as soon as you change one of those, and you change both together quite often, you will be out as much as +-2g.
Even 1g does make a lot of difference for espresso.
That being said, if the $100 difference is too much then the timed Vario is still a great grinder.
So, the answer to life is to be boring, like me. Same beans, roasted the same way, stored the same, ground the same, pulled the same, day after day. When I want to go crazy, I pull out the Chemex.......oooooohhhhhh watch out.
Great advice.
Great, thanks. That's exactly me.
I'm not buying the Vario to grind different beans and grinds, but for a consistent, good grind. Same beans, always for espresso. I have a precise kitchen scale, so I will tune in my Vario, time it, and once that's set, I shouldn't have to tinker with it.
-t
Well...I'm just a wild man!
Living on the ragged edge...
Three blends...different roasts...totally out of control.
Sure, live your boring life. Not me! I quaff deeply of life's ambrosia!
help!
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Just tried it, in the Chemex. Wow. A perfect cup. Not a single compliant or criticism.
Subversive till the end!
We're talking vanguard coffee here, folks!
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You're making me thirsty, maybe I should head out and buy some beans...I only have about 6 oz left...
I sit here in awe....witness to the making of history.
I think I need to get up now...sitting in awe is messy.
But I dont want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you cant help that," said the Cat: "were all mad here. Im mad. Youre mad."
"How do you know Im mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldnt have come here.
I thought that said 6 beans. So I freaked out on your behalf.
Now, that is what I call timeless literature, a pair of works that are brilliant, subversive, and so superbly original, and witty; such peerless prose. You have made my day, just reading that. (And apposite too and I write as one of the denizens who dwell here....)
LOL!
It should be the subtitle of this thread....
Amen to that.....but what a wonderful thread. I'm awestruck with admiration as I drop in (daily).
Oh, and a brief medical update: Today, I managed four double espressos, lovingly made by our wonderful boys in the coffee shop. While I am still coughing and spluttering (not as much as before), I am clearly well on the road to a full and complete recovery.....
Wonderful news about your health.
Not only is the coughing, spluttering, and other upper and lower respiratory ca-ca resolving...but knowing that you can suck down 4 double shots means your quality of life is infinitely improved over the period of time you were drinking...that other stuff!
Glad to hear you're back on espresso! That must mean you're feeling much better than before and able to get out and about.
I know I'm a bit late to the discussion but wanted to quickly chime in. I have a Rocket Cellini Evoluzione and if you're experience is anything like mine has been, you will LOVE your machine.
To be honest, I'm rather jealous of the double boiler setup. The R58 wasn't out yet when I got my Rocket but if it had been, I very well might've ended up with one as well.
I really wanted that Vibiemme machine you were also considering but wouldn't fit in my designated kitchen space. Looks like it was a blessing in disguise as I've been very happy with the Rocket.
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Used a Rocky for many years and while it got the job done (and is built like a tank), only having 40 stepped adjustments makes it more difficult to dial it your espresso grind. I've read quite a bit of praise about the Baratza and am considering adding one to my lineup as a decaf grinder for the better half.
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So sorry I missed this post, could've offered a bit of advice.
Sadly, Tampa is a near barren wasteland of good espresso/coffee. Buddy Brew is probably the only place I'd recommend for a quality espresso--cool little cafe in front of their roasting building (I think). They are now my go-to local supplier of roasted beans as well--only place that actually doesn't think beans need to be near charcoal for good espresso.
Cheers! Just had some family move down there, so I expect I'll check it out next visit.
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Excellent news!
And, let's consider that for a moment. What does Alice do? She shrinks. Somehow I think that makes you, sir, our Cheshire Cat, saying:
Could not agree more, oh pinch of salt. On my first trip to London, many (many) years ago, almost the first stop was the British Museum, the manuscript room in particular (which is no longer there.....now it's over there somewhere else), so I could see the original Charles Dodgson manuscript, the words and drawing in his pen. Oh, and to see the original Tintern Abbey as well, but that's off topic I suppose.
Glad to hear the espresso has cured you. But I notice that your comments about the elixir often are accompanied by a comment or three about those who made it.....coincidence, perhaps, I suppose.
Ah, thank you. Great to hear. I, too, came this close (imagine me with two fingers almost touching) to buying the Vibiemme. Oh well, maybe next year. Loving the Rocket so far. Great espresso and I haven't really futzed with it at all.
Excellent news!
You! I am currently brewing my second Chemex of Decaf Noir today. I blame you. (And, god, it is good.)
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