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arw

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This just reminds me of the thread where the OP was outraged over a Dolly Parton (I think?) cover … 🤦🏻‍♂️
In all defense to that case, there it was pushed in the Maps (!) app...
 

usagora

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While you are free to suggest Apple not putting these images in the Apple Books app recommendation page for kids, what you really need to pay attention to is somewhere else. Negative impacts of the social media being the worst example, and majority of harmful contents are not sexual related. It’s better to teach kids how this cruel world works than being Paranoid and trying to shield the kids from “harmful contents”.

This sort of reminds me how people argue that police should not pull over people for speeding and instead go after the "real" criminals. I'm always like, "Uh, why not do both?" Same logic here. It's not an either-or matter. The OP could very well be concerned about all those things you mention as well as this.

@millerj123 Feel free to explain why you "laugh" at this post and the other one. Not sure I get what's so funny about what I posted.
 
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Jumpthesnark

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I opened my Books app and saw the same image. It's listed under "Browse Free Books," along with other romance novels, fiction, self-help, etc.

I haven't purchased any romance books from Apple, so this isn't targeted marketing, but it's just likely a book or genre or (most likely) an image that they have learned will bring more people to try the service.

All that aside, the cover is hardly "explicit," as others have said. It's no different from what you'd see on the street on a hot day, at the park, a beach, a pool, a gym, etc.

Likewise, OP compared this image to a Playboy magazine cover, which I don't see it but okay. Those can be seen at every convenience store in the country, where they don't stop people from buying lottery tickets, Big Gulps and Popular Mechanics. Life goes on, and shirtless cowboys are just a part of it.
 
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Ethosik

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The OP could very well be concerned about all those things you mention as well as this.
Why "as well as this". What is so bad about this? Any target, Meijer, Walmart, etc ads might show swimming section with some *GASP* skin. Anyone working outside in the neighborhood can be without their shirt. When I swim, I just have swimming trunks and my privacy fence doesn't cover 100% area so some kid can see me swimming.
 

usagora

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Why "as well as this". What is so bad about this? Any target, Meijer, Walmart, etc ads might show swimming section with some *GASP* skin. Anyone working outside in the neighborhood can be without their shirt. When I swim, I just have swimming trunks and my privacy fence doesn't cover 100% area so some kid can see me swimming.

That's a separate debate. I'm just pointing out that just because the OP is concerned about what others label a "minor" issue (or perhaps to them a non-issue) doesn't mean they're not concerned about "larger" issues as well.

Edit: Again, what is so hilarious about this post? Seriously, I don't get it. It's a simple logical train of thought. You don't have to agree with the OP to agree with my post 🙄 Perhaps try putting your objection into words. Just a thought 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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sumarlidason

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I think someone else can say this better than me, but kids don't know something is sexual unless you make it sexual. Just like kids aren't racist until they observe racism. You are setting the tone. "oh its Montana, must be hot out there!"
 

Silverstring

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One day, my child saw a mostly-clothed adult torso, and yada, yada, yada...

...they are now serving 25 consecutive life sentences in a SUPERMAX prison.

So I ask of you...who will protect our children from these corrosive, morality-compromising gateway images?!?!?! The uptightness of our very civilization is at stake!!!!
 
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Silverstring

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I think someone else can say this better than me, but kids don't know something is sexual unless you make it sexual. Just like kids aren't racist until they observe racism. You are setting the tone. "oh its Montana, must be hot out there!"
Exactly. It's just like profanity. We could all just decide that four-letter words are no big deal.

Instead society confers negative associations to those words, thus bestowing them that power. Why? Who knows.

These perceptions aren't formed by immaculate conception. The call is coming from inside the house.
 
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JoyfulPlantLady

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That is what I am referring to; maybe "explicit" is too extreme but that is the kind of book I assume I have to go to a "Adult Hot Romance" section of a physical book store to see.

The issue of this is that this is at the home page of the book app. The first page when you open the app. I have no problem this in the store and find it by searching or go to the genre myself.

I found it quite tasteless and forced onto the customers. Imagine you want to do a quiet reading of some scientific papers , you get into the mental stage of 100% focus, and the first thing you see by opening the app is this.

Or imagine you go to a physical book store in your neighborhood, when you open the door, there are these type of book covers staring at you, will you feel comfortable?

A man with his shirt unbuttoned is neither explicit or harmful to children.
 
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thefourthpope

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And we okay kids who many use Apple Book as textbook viewer, see this kind of tasteless stuff day to day? This is on the apple book home page; it is no work around to not see it the moment you open the app.
The book looks terrible, and I wouldn’t want me or my kids to read it. The cover isn’t good, either. It looks like what I grew up calling dimestore trash.

But the presence of the cover doesn’t offend me beyond that, and it wouldn’t bother me at all for my kids to see.
 

Rradcircless

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In all seriousness, you can work around the problem by creating a Shortcut which instantly opens a book you assign. Then you might only see the scandalous man when you leave the book.
 

Rradcircless

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This and the Dolly Parton incident make me really happy to be amongst the MacRumours folk. Majority of y’all are a progressive, thoughtful and humble lot.
 

Wando64

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Wonder what’s OP‘s opinion about Arabic or middle-east people’s usual dresses. :p
Is there such a thing?
How do you think “Arabic or middle-east people” dress usually?
What are you getting at?

This thread is going from the ridiculous to the sinister.
Surely time to close it?
 
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Shirasaki

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Is there such a thing?
How do you think “Arabic or middle-east people” dress usually?
What are you getting at?

This thread is going from the ridiculous to the sinister.
Surely time to close it?
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You don’t even bother a quick Google search.
I’m clearly referring to Arabic and middle-east clothing style of minimal skin exposure, compared to Western style, which skin exposure is more common than not.
You are right on one thing though, this thread has lost much of the discussion value. Definitely worth closing.
 
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BellSystem

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Wow. Keep the kids away from the beach, parks,and outdoors. Wouldn’t want anyone to see a topless human and go burn down Detroit while engaging in sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Keep them out of real bookstores as well….especially the magazines. TV is out as well….let’s ban everything.

Bottom line there is way more important things in life to worry about than a non-explicit book cover on a book store that borders on the absurdity.
 

riverfreak

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Worth pointing out that most respondents here are filtering this through their own westernized norms.

In many cultures, it’s not routine for men to walk around shirtless. That doesn’t mean it’s explicit; simply that it’s rude, coarse, crass. Through that lens, I could see why the OP might not be cool with such an ad.

To me, though, I’d find it irksome because 1) it’s an ad; 2) it’s for an inane genre; and 3) that dude is silently mocking and body shaming me.
 

BanjoDudeAhoy

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Or imagine you go to a physical book store in your neighborhood, when you open the door, there are these type of book covers staring at you, will you feel comfortable?
Yes, I’d walk past them because they’re not what I’m looking for.

Maybe I’d feel a bit envious because I don’t have a six pack like that but that would propel me further into the store even faster, I guess.
 

Wando64

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You don’t even bother a quick Google search.
I’m clearly referring to Arabic and middle-east clothing style of minimal skin exposure, compared to Western style, which skin exposure is more common than not.
You are right on one thing though, this thread has lost much of the discussion value. Definitely worth closing.

Oh, you mean clothing such as the badlah, traditionally worn by belly dancers in Arabian and Middle Eastern countries?
Or maybe clothing such as those worn by the Jordanian royal family pictured below?

Your comments are rather stereotypical…

Edit: … whereas your angry reaction to every criticism is just typical.
 

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This is home page of the iOS Apple Book app.
ads is starting to get out of hand.. Parental control set clean content in Apple Book won’t block it as well…
This is quality of first party app now?

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Heaven forbid the children see a human body! Don’t take them to the beach or a public pool! Perhaps we should also ban mirrors in houses, so they never see themselves.
 

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And we okay kids who many use Apple Book as textbook viewer, see this kind of tasteless stuff day to day?
So a human torso, of which you also have one, is ‘tasteless’ (as opposed to a normal aspect of nature/life)?

It is by shielding children from normal images like this that society actually risks creating out of touch weirdos.

What do you do on a day to the beach? Blindfold the kids and wear a full body cloak?
 
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