Yeah I saw that. Not sure I want to go allllll the way back to a 12.
Although, Apple did make a white case back then, so maybe I could find a 12PM on Apple’s refurbished site. But still. Just don’t want to go back two generations, I don’t think.
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Although, Apple did make a white case back then, so maybe I could find a 12PM on Apple’s refurbished site. But still. Just don’t want to go back two generations, I don’t think.
I went to the Apple Store tonight. Here is a quick test I did with one of my favorite apps, Pulsation.
0 is perfect. 100 is the worst. The meter is only accurate when not moving your phone. (When the red icon in the lower left hand corner disappears.)
iPhone 14:
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iPhone 14 Pro:
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From the app's developer:
0 is perfect. 100 is the worst. The meter is only accurate when not moving your phone. (When the red icon in the lower left hand corner disappears.)
iPhone 14:
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iPhone 14 Pro:
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From the app's developer:
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Interesting. Can you explain this a bit more? What was different when it recorded 100? It seemed to stay in the yellow zone for a good bit before going crazy red: why?
It's definitely not a precise measuring tool, but it will give a rough estimate as to how bad PWM is. I have used this app to see how low frequency PWM light bulbs are as well as computer monitors, TVs, car infotainment displays, etc. It probably was jumping around because I moved it or some one bumped the table.
I don’t know. All my settings were copied over from my SE, which was copied from my iPhone 11, which was copied from my 13 Pro. 😅. So last November I must have turned it off on my 13 Pro. I’m sure I was desperately experimenting with settings trying to mitigate my pwm symptoms.
When it was on 60hz I could feel my brain going into potential seizure activity. That feels sort of like having two cups of coffee working on me. I’m strictly a one cup in the morning gal. I’ll sometimes have one later in the day but usually one will suffice to wake me up. I’m pretty sensitive to caffeine.
I’m on Pro Motion now and it all seems to be fine. I’m just trying to adjust finding the best reading angle for my glasses.
At least with the way it’s set now I can’t see the flicker like I can with some of these OLEDs.
It’s a good phone. My mom’s assisted living coordinator called me on it and I got good connectivity even in a grocery store with only a couple of bars of 5G. The 5G didn’t eat through my battery like it does on my other 5 G phones. So far I’m liking this new modem. I’m only mentioning this stuff because I fully intend to keep this phone as an actual phone and as a camera.
If I can doom scroll on it, yay. If not, I seem able to at least use it for texts and emails.
If necessary most everything else can still be done on one of my other phones or my iPad. I can take the sim out of my S22 Ultra and put it in the SE, for example.
The only phone that absolutely has to go is my 13 Pro. Even that one, I would have made it work if the camera had been up to my standards. I find myself annoyed by this camera too sometimes. But I’m still getting the hang of it. At least it’s not pokey this time.
Okay, it looked like the 14Pro was better than the 14?
Also, what was going on when it was 100%? Were you zoomed in? Seemed like a lot of vertical stripes oscillating horizontally.
And most importantly...is this good news? Bad news? Hard to say news?
I feel ya on the caffeine sensitivity. I am allergic to caffeine. Even a sip of coffee can send me into anaphylactic shock.
This is what the app does:
For our purposes in this thread, it's just going to confirm that PWM is in use (which we already knew).
When I have used it on light bulbs, most LED lightbulbs are around a "20" on the meter... worst light bulb I've tested was 40-ish. So, for this to be 100... I don't know. Not good.
All that said, I played with the iPhone 14 Pro tonight and I think I started getting a weird sensation in my head, but it could also have been because I was looking down for so long when standing. Folks, all I can say is that if you look at the two videos I posted, I personally do not want to stare at a display that is producing that kind of output. I'll leave it at that. Sticking with my iPhone SE 3.
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Funny (?) story about flickering:
I took my 11 to slo-mo film the 14PM and saw flickering not on the screen but radiating out around my phone. Weird, right? So I try it at a couple different brightness settings. Same thing each time. Feeling a little bummed.
Then I slo-mo film the 11 with the 14PM to see how much better it can be--same flickering!
In a flicker--pun absolutely intended!--I realized the flicker was coming from the lamp in the room!
(I know the lamp flickers. That's a whole other story. (Love California for a lot of things, but really wish they'd stop limiting our lights bulbs to the kind that flicker.))
But GOOD NEWS: didn't see any flickering on the 14PM. Know others have reported it, but I thought I'd pile on because it's a nice pile.
Though yes, I did see the diagonal lines scrolling vertically. Don't love that. Still experimenting with how they affect me.
I took my 11 to slo-mo film the 14PM and saw flickering not on the screen but radiating out around my phone. Weird, right? So I try it at a couple different brightness settings. Same thing each time. Feeling a little bummed.
Then I slo-mo film the 11 with the 14PM to see how much better it can be--same flickering!
In a flicker--pun absolutely intended!--I realized the flicker was coming from the lamp in the room!
(I know the lamp flickers. That's a whole other story. (Love California for a lot of things, but really wish they'd stop limiting our lights bulbs to the kind that flicker.))
But GOOD NEWS: didn't see any flickering on the 14PM. Know others have reported it, but I thought I'd pile on because it's a nice pile.
Though yes, I did see the diagonal lines scrolling vertically. Don't love that. Still experimenting with how they affect me.
Thank you for sharing and explaining!
I hear you. If I could switch this phone to an LCD screen, I would in a moment.
I'm still debating. It's hard because I know I have sensitive and I'm hyper alert for them right now, so I'm hoping just living a few days with this thing will help. Hoping I'll be in moments when I'm not at all thinking about the phone and then later say 'hey it didn't bother me' or, conversely, 'WTF'.
Sorry that you're having a bad experience. I hope you find some joy with your SE 3 and hope you find something fun to do with the money you were going to spend on the 14P.
Hey have you used that app on your SE3? I'd be curious what that looked like. Know it shouldn't have PWM, but just curious how the app needle might move about.
Yes, I have tried it from another phone. iPhone SE (3rd gen, and all others) returns a "0" and absolutely no "PWM bars" show at all (because there is no PWM).
One thing to note on my two videos from earlier... when both were at full brightness, the base iPhone 14 seemed to get better scores than the iPhone 14 Pro. I thought that was strange. Some people may have better luck with the base iPhone 14, based on that data.
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Someone in this thread says PWM refresh rate of:
iPhone 14: 1040 hz
iPhone 14 pro: 880hz
iPhone 14 pro max: 480hz
Not sure if true.
iPhone 14: 1040 hz
iPhone 14 pro: 880hz
iPhone 14 pro max: 480hz
Not sure if true.
I am going back to the Apple Store tomorrow, so I will try to measure as many as I can with the app. Again, this is not a precise tool, but it should generally give an idea. I would look toward NotebookCheck's measurements for more reliable data.
Damn. If accurate Apple is finally making headway into solving PWM.
Oddly I might be getting along better with my iPhone 14 Pro Max than my 14” MacBook Pro with Mini-LED display and a 14,880Hz PWM rate.
It’s still getting exhausting since this thread probably won’t get retired until iPhone is flicker-free again or rates reach over 100,000Hz where they’re barely measurable.
On that Reddit thread, there is this link: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ye4y1y7Rs
If you translate the comments to English, everyone is talking about how how terrible Apple is for using these screens. The word "blind" is used every other sentence.
--
"A new generation of super blind screen, debut.
From iPhone X to 14, this is the sixth generation of blind screen iPhone."
"I thought OLED was designed by Apple to harm users. I checked it, and it seems that there are not many LCDs at all. Fifty steps with a hundred steps?"
"I use iphone11 to read novels all night, but my eyes are sore after watching x for an hour"
"Apple's guardians are on their way here, haha 😊, it's true that the screen is blind or not replaced. Samsung is really an unscrupulous businessman. In order to save costs, all users have no sense of social responsibility to keep their eyes healthy and disregard."
"I replaced my xs with a se3, and I will no longer shed tears while looking at my phone at night."
"Holding 13, my eyes shed inexplicable tears every time I play with my mobile phone"
"12 series is better, class dc"
"Waiting for the high-frequency pwm dimming screen of Samsung's e6 material next year"
"The m series used by Apple is inferior to Samsung's own e series. This time the 14pro used by other domestic products should be made of m12 material."
"Popular science, this year's 14 series is exactly the same as last year's 13 series, with global low-frequency PWM dimming, and the fluctuation depth is as high as 98%. I honestly use my iPhone 12, isn't it fragrant (30% brighter than DC dimming)"
etc.
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When this numbers get true then the iPhone 14/Pro could be worth a try. Hopefully it will not take long when Notebookcheck or DXOmark will deliever first results.
14 vs 12 vs 11
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