Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[Populus]

Guessing that Apple will not say anything about it this morning, do you think that we will have already someone testing and reporting the screen frequency? Or usually do we wait until the devices release?

No, I don’t think they are implementing anything new on the iPhone 16 to help with our issues. I read something along the lines of micro-lenses on the screen to improve brightness so, who knows, maybe it is worth trying them… although I wouldn’t be too optimistic, as I’ve read that the new Pixel 9 uses a similar panel (same new material), and it has a bad PWM.

I looked on the "other side", where brands like Motorola, Nothing and Honor seem the best for eye safety

Check out the new CMF phone by Nothing. It not only looks like a decent smartphone with good specs and great design, but also I’ve read somewhere that the PWM it uses is pretty comfortable. Maybe it is worth a try.

 

[now i see it]

No display currently available today from anyone can natively output Billions of colors. The only way they can claim it, is by cheating your visual processing with a dirty little trick called temporal dithering, where adjacent pixels fluctuate (flicker) very rapidly, fooling the eyes that they see a color that doesn’t actually exist.

BTW, humans at the very best can not detect more than 1 million colors — so creating displays that can mimic Billions of colors is absurd.

 

[badger1212]

Anyone on here tried that Honor 6?

Yes. I've had it for a few months now. It's the only OLED phone I've been comfortable with and I've tried them all.

 

[MICHAELSD]

It’s probably another year of playing “don’t fix what isn’t already broken for 90% of people,” which makes it difficult to get too excited.

 

[Thebertozz]

After the keynote ended I ordered a Motorola Edge 50 Ultra (I live in Europe) which is supposedly one of the best screens for sensitive people; I will keep an eye on the iPhone 16 reviews while being in the return window... but from what they showed i'd say 99% nothing changed

 

[MICHAELSD]

After the keynote ended I ordered a Motorola Edge 50 Ultra (I live in Europe) which is supposedly one of the best screens for sensitive people; I will keep an eye on the iPhone 16 reviews while being in the return window... but from what they showed i'd say 99% nothing changed

If the analyst note about Apple ordering PWM-free displays for iPhone 17 is accurate, and I can’t find the Tweet/X that user had referenced, then I am fine waiting one more year for this to finally be over.

 

[Thebertozz]

Let's hope the rumor is true, if Apple will start to market their screens as eye friendly every other brand will feel the need to adapt so it will be a win for everyone, fingers crossed!

 

[DJTaurus]

After the keynote ended I ordered a Motorola Edge 50 Ultra (I live in Europe) which is supposedly one of the best screens for sensitive people; I will keep an eye on the iPhone 16 reviews while being in the return window... but from what they showed i'd say 99% nothing changed

please keep us informed. what are you using now ?

 

[jtl_]

and I can’t find the Tweet/X that user had referenced, then I am fine waiting one more year for this to finally be over.

I sure hope so, but I won't take any future projections as "good news" without substantiation.

 

[kerplunknet]

Can't wait to be disappointed on 9/20 when the iPhone 16 models inevitably return the same PWM results as iPhone 15.

 

[now i see it]

A claim of a deleted tweet on X by a nobody claiming there will be a PWM free iPhone next year…. doesn’t inspire much hope.
In fact, it inspires no hope.

Except for the Apple exclusive Retina LCD Display revealed with the iPhone 4, they have always been a follower in the screen technology front. Historically, the newest display tech comes out on Android first, and then eventually  incorporates it into their future iPhones.
If a PWM display is even possible, that looks good, it’ll be used in an android phone first.

 

[ghanwani]

This is what Apple needs to do with their iPhones and iPads.

TCL NXTPAPER | Full-color Paper-like Display | TCL Global

TCL's NXTPAPER technology is a groundbreaking solution to address visual comfort challenges in our world, focusing on reducing blue light and minimizing glare.

www.tcl.com

 

[now i see it]

That may be the phone to get

 

[ghanwani]

That may be the phone to get

Unfortunately it's not available where I live. There's only one carrier in the US that has it and they don't sell outside their area which IIRC was around the St. Louis, MO area.

 

[iCantSee]

Hi all- I have some sort of good news. After suffering with this whole situation since iPhone 10, I do have a somewhat workable solution. My iPhone XR was getting extremely old and slow, so I spent a bunch of time finding a way forward.

Motorola recently released an LCD screen (NON OLED) called the Moto G 5g. It's totally non OLED and is an old school LCD screen. It's only $179 but it's a 2024 smartphone so it's got many good features and is fast. What I did was purchase an iPhone 15 pro so I can still use iMessage, IOS etc, for short periods of time. And then I've got this Motorola for longer periods of reading/scrolling. I can read for hours on the Moto G 5g without issue, whereas I get eye pain, headaches, dryness etc. after 5-10 mins on the iPhone. You can literally just hotspot your Motorola to the iPhone if you want. I personally just purchased another line for it so both work independently.

This combo allows me to stay in the Apple ecosystem but have a phone with me that I can look at for long periods of time. Hope this helps!

5G ready phones | moto g 5G | motorola US - Motorola

Delivering an Android phone with good quality sound, moto g 5G also provides a high-resolution camera.

www.motorola.com

 

[DJTaurus]

TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G | Full-color Electronic Paper Display | TCL Europe

Get to know TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G 6.8” FHD+ 120Hz Smartphone, or dive into e-book-like immersion with the deeply enhanced eye protection features. Learn more!

www.tcl.com

 

[ghanwani]

TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G | Full-color Electronic Paper Display | TCL Europe

Get to know TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G 6.8” FHD+ 120Hz Smartphone, or dive into e-book-like immersion with the deeply enhanced eye protection features. Learn more!

www.tcl.com

I did a lot of research on this a while ago. There's no authorized dealer for these in the US other than one obscure carrier that refuses to ship them (i.e. you have to be able to walk in to one of their stores to get one).

 

[Heman87]

If the analyst note about Apple ordering PWM-free displays for iPhone 17 is accurate, and I can’t find the Tweet/X that user had referenced, then I am fine waiting one more year for this to finally be over.

That’s very little to be hopeful. Do you use X? You can try to reach out to him. Maybe he’ll answer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780646505164239364

 

[Thebertozz]

please keep us informed. what are you using now ?

At the moment an iPhone SE 2020, before that... the iPhone Xs that started all this eye strain after some years of use.

Yes for sure i will give feedback on the Motorola, in the US you have the equivalent of the Edge 50 Pro which is called Edge 2024, and in the specs DC Dimming it's clearly indicated as a feature, just like on the Ultra. The downside is that the CPU is not that fast (it's a Snapdragon 7s Gen 2).

 

[jimmy_uk]

TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G | Full-color Electronic Paper Display | TCL Europe

Get to know TCL 50 PRO NXTPAPER 5G 6.8” FHD+ 120Hz Smartphone, or dive into e-book-like immersion with the deeply enhanced eye protection features. Learn more!

www.tcl.com

It looks like a lot of gimmicks - pretending to be e-ink. I do like the anti-glare aspect.

 

[DJTaurus]

At the moment an iPhone SE 2020, before that... the iPhone Xs that started all this eye strain after some years of use.

Yes for sure i will give feedback on the Motorola, in the US you have the equivalent of the Edge 50 Pro which is called Edge 2024, and in the specs DC Dimming it's clearly indicated as a feature, just like on the Ultra. The downside is that the CPU is not that fast (it's a Snapdragon 7s Gen 2).

I am in Europe too. I was curious if 50 pro uses similar screen with ultra to save some bucks. They differ mostly on nits….

 

[Heman87]

At the moment an iPhone SE 2020, before that... the iPhone Xs that started all this eye strain after some years of use.

Yes for sure i will give feedback on the Motorola, in the US you have the equivalent of the Edge 50 Pro which is called Edge 2024, and in the specs DC Dimming it's clearly indicated as a feature, just like on the Ultra. The downside is that the CPU is not that fast (it's a Snapdragon 7s Gen 2).

I’m very curious if it works out for you

This is the phone you are mentioning right?

 

[DJTaurus]

 

[ghanwani]

It looks like a lot of gimmicks - pretending to be e-ink. I do like the anti-glare aspect.

It has been reviewed by one of the magazines and they found it to be the best display they used.

Here is one:

TCL's NXTPAPER display tech is better than ever and I want it on my next phone

TCL's NXTPAPER 3.0 display tech is better than ever, and I want it. It's too bad the phones TCL is making aren't what I'm looking for.

www.androidauthority.com

 

[Heman87]

Here you can see that the pro has PWM.