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iPhone X Face ID is crap....

atton said:
Maybe the whole comparison should be done against TouchID gen 1 since this is also the first generation of faceID.

I think FaceID, currently, is almost equally convenient as touchID but when the hardware and software mature through 1 or 2 more itterations (like touchID), the potential of FaceID is far greater than touchID.
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I think this post and MAFlynn's post are right. FaceID is great (IMO) but not perfect. I just came up from our cafeteria, where I have something like a 50-60% failure rate with FaceID. I think the issue is that "I'm not holding it right" - the angle that I'm holding the phone doesn't work for the camera. To me, the phone seems fairly picky about what angle and distance will work, and if it doesn't get face input in something pretty close to exactly what it wants, it doesn't cooperate.

Great idea, works most of the time, needs some work. Just like TouchID did a few years back...
 
Raist3001 said:
Your experience with FaceID does not trump mine with TouchID. And Gloves? Wow so I need to remove my glove to unlock my phone. I can place my glove right back on my hand and continue to use it. Claiming FaceID is faster is nonsense. Either can and will be faster in specific situations.



People seem to forget how fast and reliable TouchID is for the majority of users who continue to use it. Again, claiming FaceID is more convenient and more secure than TouchID is nonsense. Equal would be a better description in many situations.
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Convenient is a subjective thing so it's not really worth arguing, but I'm not understanding how you can argue against the security aspect of it.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
This is one of the things I asked when it was launched lol. I have a beard myself and if I shave have I got to reset the bloody thing? That sounds tedious and a legitimate drawback of the technology. Maybe it’ll improve.
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Not sure that I agree. Shave off a beard and I think I'd want to have the phone demand re-registration. And here's the thing: it's so fast, compared to the tedious process of getting a fingerprint registered with TouchID. Think about it as a percentage of the time it took you to trim and shave off your beard - it's gotta be tiny! :D
 
Knowimagination said:
Convenient is a subjective thing so it's not really worth arguing,
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Then why claim FaceID is faster? If it is subjective, there is no clear evidence of the better solution...yet.

but I'm not understanding how you can argue against the security aspect of it.
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I am not arguing against the security aspects of FaceID. Only that is not more secure than TouchID and nor is TouchID more secure than FaceID. I have been arguing that both solutions at the moment are equal.
 
Raist3001 said:
Then why claim FaceID is faster? If it is subjective, there is no clear evidence of the better solution...yet.


I am not arguing against the security aspects of FaceID. Only that is not more secure than TouchID and nor is TouchID more secure than FaceID. I have been arguing that both solutions at the moment are equal.
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I didn't claim Face ID was faster, I specifically said that Touch ID is faster and that it isn't even up for debate. I claimed that Face ID is much more convenient but again I admit that it is subjective so there isn't a way for me to prove convenience.

Apple claims it is significantly more secure than Touch ID but according to you they are equal, that's what I don't understand how you can justify.
 
I didn't claim Face ID was faster, I specifically said that Touch ID is faster and that it isn't even up for debate
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Sorry I was not clear. My question was a general one and not meant to imply that is what you said.

Knowimagination said:
Apple claims it is significantly more secure than Touch ID but according to you they are equal, that's what I don't understand how you can justify.
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From what I can gather, it has been said that FaceID is a more secure way to unlock the phone because it captures more data points than TouchID. My data is just as secure with TouchID as it would be with FaceID. And I really don't expect apple to claim FaceID is less secure than TouchID.
TouchID kept your fingerprints on an encrypted chip called the Secure Enclave. Does the Enclave still exist on the X?

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The X does have the Enclave. I trust apple with my privacy. I trust their security measures. If FaceID is more secure, that can only be a good thing.
 
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scaramoosh said:
I bought the iPhone X at launch and initially I was impressed by it, but now I spend 80 percent of my time putting my code in. The problem is it never gets me the first time, then you have to go back and try again, or sometimes for whatever reason it sometimes tries instantly, but it’s so inconsistent.

It’s as if it has to be a perfect distance and angle from your face. If you try with it on a table, it cannot cope with the angle, despite the trailer for the phone showing it doing that. Also if you’re in bed you tend to have your phone a bit closer, it cannot cope with that either...

I’ve ended up hating my iPhone X because Face ID is just so bad. You end up having to hold your phone unnaturally, like you’re taking a selfie or something. On top of that it doesn’t work in portrait, so if you have your phone on a horizontal wireless Charing stand like me, you have to pick up your phone to unlock. My god the gestures that replace the home button do not work in portrait either, it’s so clunky.
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I agree. It does not work as advertised. It cannot scan a face when sitting on the table. I’ve put in my passcode far more times using FaceID on my X than using TouchID on my 6S. I’m happy it works for some of you but for me it’s a notable downgrade in terms of convenience.
 
newellj said:
Not sure that I agree. Shave off a beard and I think I'd want to have the phone demand re-registration. And here's the thing: it's so fast, compared to the tedious process of getting a fingerprint registered with TouchID. Think about it as a percentage of the time it took you to trim and shave off your beard - it's gotta be tiny! :D
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True, I only had to register my fingerprints once though when I first got the phone. I haven’t shaved my fingertips in a while though :p
 
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scaramoosh said:
it created a problem where when you uninstall an app, it’s impossible to do it one handed without activating the pressure sensitive UI, even two handed you have to press and hold super lightly
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Well, you're obviously pressing down on it wrong.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
True, I only had to register my fingerprints once though when I first got the phone. I haven’t shaved my fingertips in a while though :p
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Don't laugh...one of my thumbs has a huge scar track running the length of the last (biggest) joint from a stupid table saw accident. I'm lucky I have the thumb at all. During the dry parts of the year (winter), that thumb didn't always read well, too much scar tissue.

Unrelated trivia on TouchID vs. FaceID: I keep my phones in Apple leather cases. When I am cycling, I put them in a quart ziplock bag (the thick "freezer" version) and stow it in a little bag under my saddle. TouchID always reads my fingers through the heavy plastic bag! However, the FaceID camera won't read my face through the plastic bag. So much for my ultra-cheap rain covers!!!
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applewatch said:
Well, you're obviously pressing down on it wrong.
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I think his complaint was lame, but there is an issue. What happens when the UI is so refined, has so many powerful little features, that NO ONE (probably not even the engineers who work on the OS) can remember them all, or how to use them?
 
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I really feel like TouchID is going to make a comeback down the line when they figure out how to put it beneath the screen.
 
Raist3001 said:
LOL...Oh I see, you are the only person with correct opinions. Perhaps you shouldn't refer to other beliefs as lame?
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Check it out: "is" vs. "I think." You're right, I have an opinion - you're still dropping facts.

However, responding to your edited post above, I agree. I have done the same thing with ForceTouch (or whatever Apple's term for it is) trying to delete apps, and I don't recall ever actually using ForceTouch for the sorts of purposes that Apple intended. At some point the UI just becomes too complex for easy daily use. Or at least it does for me (can I state that as a fact?). ;)
 
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It adds nothing to the user experience...are millennials really that lazy that they cant punch in 4 numbers?
 
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I will never give up the home button for this egregious invasion of privacy.

People that don’t care about privacy should be banned from the web.
 
KhunJay said:
It adds nothing to the user experience
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You mean it adds nothing to your user experience. Face ID works in situations were touch ID did not. And contrary to your own beliefs, Face ID is highly convenient and unlocking is made they much more of an easier transition.

GalaDaliGirl said:
I will never give up the home button for this egregious invasion of privacy.
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Hyperbole. Your privacy is unaffected any differently than using Face ID over touch ID, which Apple has none of your information stored or accounted for regardless of the security method. And the home button/touch ID is at its end with the iPhone 8 in all likeliness.
 
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Sorry but face ID has a higher success rate than touch ID did.
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IsaacM said:
I really feel like TouchID is going to make a comeback down the line when they figure out how to put it beneath the screen.
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They never will.

That idea is gone for good and it's something the top flagship android phones will do too i reckon
 
works 99% of the time for me

If you’re having a problem rescan your face at the angle in which you normally hold your iPhone
 
The title of this thread is childish but the topic is worth discussing. I've had an X for a few weeks now and am still on the fence.

On the plus side, it works. It's extremely nicely integrated into user ID and password requirements for most apps and for websites via Safari.

On the minus side, it feels slow, in the sense that TouchID on an iPhone 6 feels slow compared to a 6S. It also requires a fairly specific distance and angle for the illuminator/camera to work. This means I can't access it easily if it's on my desk, and ApplePay is an ongoing frustration for me.

Overall, to me, it seems like incredibly impressive and capable technology that nevertheless has room for some very significant improvements. My feeling is that the rest of the X is flat-out amazing. I am coming to the conclusion that FaceID, although impressive, really isn't up to the standards of the rest of the phone and I may return it and wait a year to see what Apple does to improve FaceID. On the fence...and not feeling rushed, given the 1/8/18 return date...
 
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